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A female James Bond. Are you kidding me?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Can you imagine Beatlejuice as a girl, The Three Amigos are all black, Chinese, and Porte Rican girls? The God Father becomes the God Mother. Patrick Swayze teaching a young teenage boy how to dance (Dirty Dancing)?

Some parts are just specific to certain actors. It isn't political, racists, or anything like that. It's all fiction. Just as there isn't a black superman, these classics just stick and the ones that continue shouldn't be touched. Even when they replaced some of the characters in sequels that doesn't even look like the original character really messes things up.
All those ideas will eventually come to pass.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
It wouldn't have survived the comic code changes that mad violence of that type unacceptable. Superman also killed some bad guys. Wonder Woman was the only gold age superhero with a strict no killing policies that all superhero of the genre adopted.
Ahh of course. The comics code
*shudders*
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I dunno
Switching the sexes of characters is like the bread and butter of writing. It’s even used as exercises to teach writing techniques.
Batman has batgirl, batmite, etc. superman has Supergirl, his dog Krypton and superboy etc. Hell Thor has Throg who is a literal frog and a horse named Bill who wields the hammer.
Ironically I think the only classic character that doesn’t have a bajillion copies of is Wonder Woman. Maybe Wonder Girl, I dunno

It's just tradition, mostly. It's the same context as having a Black Superman. It's not specific to race or sex, just continued tradition that certain movies have archetypes of characters and to go outside of that set up would derail the show. It's the same say with Count of Monte Cristo. It's a great novel but I wouldn't re-read it if the author rewrote it as a female prisoner. Women and men have different worldviews in fiction (as so tradition states).
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
It's just tradition, mostly. It's the same context as having a Black Superman.

We did get none white and non-American Superman in the past. There was a series with a communist Superman who comes from Russia and a Mexican Superman too. We got several version of evil Superman and even "fat looser" Superman or "brutal but good" Superman. With enough time and popularity you can change elements of a franchise to a point where things are so radically recognisable only diehard fans will be able to spot elements of continuity.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
We did get none white and non-American Superman in the past. There was a series with a communist Superman who comes from Russia and a Mexican Superman too. With enough time and popularity you can change elements of a franchise to a point where things are so radically recognisable only diehard fans will be able to spot elements of continuity.

I know this question sounds racist, but were they light skinned or dark skinned?

Americans little later down the years started adding minorities but they still (and even today) haven't fully edged off the skin color yet.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
I know this question sounds racist, but were they light skinned or dark skinned?

Communist Superman was of course white though he was made to look lightly older with a sliver streek in his hair. Mexican Superman was a "violent, but good" type of Superhero with a classical dark brown skin and some facial hair too. He might be Puerto Rican BTW, though he is definitely brown-skined and hispanic since he swears in Spanish. He didn't have a sparkling costume either.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
It's just tradition, mostly. It's the same context as having a Black Superman. It's not specific to race or sex, just continued tradition that certain movies have archetypes of characters and to go outside of that set up would derail the show. It's the same say with Count of Monte Cristo. It's a great novel but I wouldn't re-read it if the author rewrote it as a female prisoner. Women and men have different worldviews in fiction (as so tradition states).
Tradition is overrated. What you describe is essentially a stunting of creativity and art. I have actually read gender swapped versions of classical literature and even traditional folktales. It was a trend that continues to this day. Hell remember when they adapted classic stories for teens in the 2000s?
10 Things I hate about you is by far my favourite adaptation of Shakespeare’s Taming of the Shrew. Whilst more of a subversion, it arguably shifted the perspective to a more feminine one rather than the masculine one from the original. Though I have seen feminist defences of the original
 
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Ehh. The series (the books these films are based on) isn’t relevant anymore. Connery era is dead, no sense in parading a corpse. We need young blood and a bold new direction.
I have the perfect plot for the new 007 of our era. First the Russians plant their mole ( a reality tv host) in White House as President in order to divide the nation
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
Can you imagine Beatlejuice as a girl, The Three Amigos are all black, Chinese, and Porte Rican girls? The God Father becomes the God Mother. Patrick Swayze teaching a young teenage boy how to dance (Dirty Dancing)?
Can you imagine Blazing Saddles with a black guy as lead? The Birdcage with a bunch of gay men?
Rocky Horror, but with a bunch of roles played by gay or transgender people?


I wish there was a puke emoji!
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Can you imagine Beatlejuice as a girl, The Three Amigos are all black, Chinese, and Porte Rican girls? The God Father becomes the God Mother. Patrick Swayze teaching a young teenage boy how to dance (Dirty Dancing)?

Some parts are just specific to certain actors. It isn't political, racists, or anything like that. It's all fiction. Just as there isn't a black superman, these classics just stick and the ones that continue shouldn't be touched. Even when they replaced some of the characters in sequels that doesn't even look like the original character really messes things up.
Apparently there have been more than one version of a black Superman.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Can you imagine Beatlejuice as a girl, The Three Amigos are all black, Chinese, and Porte Rican girls? The God Father becomes the God Mother. Patrick Swayze teaching a young teenage boy how to dance (Dirty Dancing)?

Some parts are just specific to certain actors. It isn't political, racists, or anything like that. It's all fiction. Just as there isn't a black superman, these classics just stick and the ones that continue shouldn't be touched. Even when they replaced some of the characters in sequels that doesn't even look like the original character really messes things up.
Can you imagine a play about the American founding fathers played by black men-- oh wait it's one of the most successful theater productions of all time.
 
Apparently there have been more than one version of a black Superman.
In one comic book he's a Barack Obama analog

president-superman-1.jpg
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
All male. Always.
Before No Time to Die, there were only two people with the number 007 in the Bond canon.

"It happened twice" <> "it always happens that way."

There have been several 00 agents who have been identified as female - including all the way back in the 70s - and plenty of passing mentions of 00 agents where their sex isn't identified.
 

Martin

Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
This doesn't bother me.

As far as I'm concerned every James Bond after Sean Connery was an imposter anyway.
 
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