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I think God will understand

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
In the world many people worship more than one God. I think God do not care so much about that. Why? Because when people worship many gods they give thanks to the gods. So God may the thinking " They thought many gods have made this world, and gave thanks to the gods for it. That means they understood a source/sources was behind this world and worshiped it. So in reality they worshiped me but believed I was many gods. They was wrong about me, but they gave thanks to me for their life and worshiped me in their own way"

And im believe strongly that a humans heart and actions is so more important than religious belief. Its more likely a kind atheist go to heaven then a bad theist. Since all humans is God's child, God like that we are kind with each other. He/she do not like that her/his children being hurt.

But i don't know. I just write what I believe. Only God knows.

PS: I'm sorry i wrote wrong.

Now i have fixed it :)
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
In the world many people worship more than one God. I think God do not care so much about that. Why? Because when people worship many gods they give thanks to the gods. So God may the thinking " They thought many gods have made this world, and gave thanks to the gods for it. That means they understood a source/sources was behind this world and worshiped it. So in reality they worshiped me but believed I was many gods. They was wrong about me, but they gave thanks to me for their life and worshiped me in their own way"

And im believe strongly that a humans heart and actions is so more important than religious belief. Its more likely a kind atheist go to heaven then a bad theist. Since all humans is God's child, God like that we are kind with each other. He/she do not like that her/his children being hurt.
I am convinced that God won't get upset about such an issue at all, after all those are His children, hence His responsibility. Was also a smart hint He gave in the Bible "thou shall not judge", hence God, being the best Teacher, will set the perfect example, hence He will never judge anyone. He might kill you, but not judge you.
 
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Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I am convinced that God won't get upset about such an issue at all, after those are His children, hence His responsibility. Was also a smart hint He gave in the Bible "thou shall not judge", hence God, being the best Teacher will set the perfect example, hence He will never judge anyone. He might kill you, but not judge you.

To kill you is to judge you. And for example karma, reincarnation, heaven or hell is God's judgment
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
(Deuteronomy 6:14, 15) . . .You must not follow after other gods, any gods of the peoples who are all around you, 15 for Jehovah your God who is in your midst is a God who requires exclusive devotion. Otherwise, the anger of Jehovah your God will blaze against you and he will annihilate you from the face of the earth.

(Deuteronomy 4:24) For Jehovah your God is a consuming fire, a God who requires exclusive devotion.

Jehovah says that he requires exclusive devotion. And that is not a bad thing. Think about it. Jehovah is the true God. He created all things. The gods the people of the world worship are not real. They cannot help them. And all those who worship them will become just like them:

Our God is in the heavens;
He does whatever he pleases.
Their idols are silver and gold,
The work of human hands.
A mouth they have, but they cannot speak;
Eyes, but they cannot see;
Ears they have, but they cannot hear;
A nose, but they cannot smell;
Hands they have, but they cannot feel;
Feet, but they cannot walk;
They make no sound with their throat.

The people who make them will become just like them,
As will all those who trust in them.

-Psalm 115:3-8.

Jehovah definitely gives you a choice as to whether you will serve false gods or not. But he makes it quite clear that they cannot save you. And you will become like them.

I respect your thoughts on this matter. These are mine:


For all the peoples will walk, each in the name of its god,
But we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever.

-Micah 4:5.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
(Deuteronomy 6:14, 15) . . .You must not follow after other gods, any gods of the peoples who are all around you, 15 for Jehovah your God who is in your midst is a God who requires exclusive devotion. Otherwise, the anger of Jehovah your God will blaze against you and he will annihilate you from the face of the earth.

(Deuteronomy 4:24) For Jehovah your God is a consuming fire, a God who requires exclusive devotion.

Jehovah says that he requires exclusive devotion. And that is not a bad thing. Think about it. Jehovah is the true God. He created all things. The gods the people of the world worship are not real. They cannot help them. And all those who worship them will become just like them:

Our God is in the heavens;
He does whatever he pleases.
Their idols are silver and gold,
The work of human hands.
A mouth they have, but they cannot speak;
Eyes, but they cannot see;
Ears they have, but they cannot hear;
A nose, but they cannot smell;
Hands they have, but they cannot feel;
Feet, but they cannot walk;
They make no sound with their throat.

The people who make them will become just like them,
As will all those who trust in them.

-Psalm 115:3-8.

Jehovah definitely gives you a choice as to whether you will serve false gods or not. But he makes it quite clear that they cannot save you. And you will become like them.

I respect your thoughts on this matter. These are mine:


For all the peoples will walk, each in the name of its god,
But we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever.

-Micah 4:5.

Do you believe only christans go to heaven?
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
To kill you is to judge you. And for example karma, reincarnation, heaven or hell is God's judgment
That is not how I see it in regard to God. God created gravity ... man jumps from Tour Eiffel and dies; was this God's judgment?
I don't think so ... there are all kind of Laws or some call it Newton's Law others Action/Reaction and some call it Karma

Anyway, I respect your view, so I agree to disagree on this one:)
 
Do you believe only christans go to heaven?
I bet that most people who think their religion or practices are the most right and best of all are doing so for some perceived benefit to themselves now and possibly for their future, so that if they believe heaven is the goal, they do what they do and think what they think in order that they might attain it, and must imagine that doing other than that would reduce their chances most likely.
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
That is not how I see it in regard to God. God created gravity ... man jumps from Tour Eiffel and dies; was this God's judgment?
I don't think so ... there are all kind of Laws or some call it Newton's Law others Action/Reaction and some call it Karma

Anyway, I respect your view, so I agree to disagree on this one:)

Hm.. If God is just gravity how do God kill a soul?
Because you wrote:
hence He will never judge anyone. He might kill you, but not judge you.
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
Ah the false promises just keep rolling in.
Consider for how long the Hindu and Buddhist civilisations have been going on without being destroyed by non-manmade forces.

Although God has allowed the nations in their ignorance to worship false gods, it will not always be that way. Right now he is calling out to all sincere-hearted ones to come to him, the true source of life. I like how Paul put it when he was speaking to the Athenians in their Areopagus:


“Men of Athens, I see that in all things you seem to be more given to the fear of the deities than others are. 23 For instance, while passing along and carefully observing your objects of veneration, I found even an altar on which had been inscribed ‘To an Unknown God.’ Therefore, what you are unknowingly worshipping, this I am declaring to you. 24 The God who made the world and all the things in it, being, as he is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples; 25 nor is he served by human hands as if he needed anything, because he himself gives to all people life and breath and all things. 26 And he made out of one man every nation of men to dwell on the entire surface of the earth, and he decreed the appointed times and the set limits of where men would dwell, 27 so that they would seek God, if they might grope for him and really find him, although, in fact, he is not far off from each one of us. 28 For by him we have life and move and exist, even as some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also his children.’
29 “Therefore, since we are the children of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and design of humans. 30 True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent. 31 Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.” - Acts 17:22-31.


And in the future paradise on earth under Jesus' kingdom rule, everyone in God's memory, most who never knew God or his son Jesus Christ will be resurrected and taught the truth. Then everyone will know God, and there will be no longer a need for Jehovah's witnesses to teach their neighbors about him. For everyone will know him:

 “And they will no longer teach each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know Jehovah!’ for they will all know me, from the least to the greatest of them,” declares Jehovah. “For I will forgive their error, and I will no longer remember their sin.”-Jeremiah 31:34.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
In the world many people worship more than one God. I think God do not care so much about that. Why? Because when people worship many gods they give thanks to the gods. So God may the thinking " They thought many gods have made this world, and gave thanks to the gods for it. That means they understood a source/sources was behind this world and worshiped it. So in reality they worshiped me but believed I was many gods. They was wrong about me, but they gave thanks to me for their life and worshiped me in their own way"

And im believe strongly that a humans heart and actions is so more important than religious belief. Its more likely a kind atheist go to heaven then a bad theist. Since all humans is God's child, God like that we are kind with each other. He/she do not like that her/his children being hurt.

But i don't know. I just write what I believe. Only God knows.

PS: I'm sorry i wrote wrong.

Now i have fixed it :)
Well, that's certainly much better than the "jealous, angry father who will destroy you if you mess up" image of God.
 
Ah the false promises just keep rolling in.
Consider for how long the Hindu and Buddhist civilisations have been going on without being destroyed by non-manmade forces.
Jehovah must not mind the Buddhists, Hindus, Chinese, etc, and has populated the world with these people (but might be setting up a really huge bon fire for minority of a few generations of whichever Jehovah choses).

Here is a question to @Eyes to See, was it the flaw of these other nations, that they apparently did not know about this word Jehovah or were not informed about the God of the Jewish Tribes until so many generations had already passed away? Like, are they going to be blamed for not knowing about the things known to the Jews, who were a tiny group sort of in the middle of nowhere who most people never came into contact with (and still mainly never do, but it was even less likely to encounter and hear about the sayings of the Jews in the Ancient past). Will they be blamed for never knowing about them or knowing to trust them or whatever they say? Do you think that is right and fair?

Like, lets say you were born somewhere, and never heard of Jehovah, and never heard of the scriptures, would Jehovah roast your face off for that, or do you think Jehovah might let you know about Himself in some way, give you a chance to do the right thing by making it very difficult to deny or make the wrong choice (or even better, not having available an option for his beloved child to get their face roasted off) by providing lots of clear and sensible evidence or making your parents and family know as well and make a very compelling case that is near undeniable?

Like how do so many people sit there and think what they are suggesting is at all something just or justified in the least when it comes to the notion that someone is expected to make some certain statements which are totally obscure and potentially incomprehensible to a people who are outside of a certain linguistic group with certain ideas and references that have built up for them?

Also, do you think Jehovah wants you? Why do you think Jehovah was addressing all humanity and not just some particular people that Jehovah talks to and prefers over others due to their genetics or whatever? What if you discover that you can never please Jehovah due to the nature of your background, genes, or choice of religion, that you'll always be an outsider? What gives you confidence that you're not to be roasted along with the rest of humankind throughout all the ages?
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
(Deuteronomy 6:14, 15) . . .You must not follow after other gods, any gods of the peoples who are all around you, 15 for Jehovah your God who is in your midst is a God who requires exclusive devotion. Otherwise, the anger of Jehovah your God will blaze against you and he will annihilate you from the face of the earth.

(Deuteronomy 4:24) For Jehovah your God is a consuming fire, a God who requires exclusive devotion.

Jehovah says that he requires exclusive devotion. And that is not a bad thing. Think about it. Jehovah is the true God. He created all things. The gods the people of the world worship are not real. They cannot help them. And all those who worship them will become just like them:

Our God is in the heavens;
He does whatever he pleases.
Their idols are silver and gold,
The work of human hands.
A mouth they have, but they cannot speak;
Eyes, but they cannot see;
Ears they have, but they cannot hear;
A nose, but they cannot smell;
Hands they have, but they cannot feel;
Feet, but they cannot walk;
They make no sound with their throat.

The people who make them will become just like them,
As will all those who trust in them.

-Psalm 115:3-8.

Jehovah definitely gives you a choice as to whether you will serve false gods or not. But he makes it quite clear that they cannot save you. And you will become like them.

I respect your thoughts on this matter. These are mine:


For all the peoples will walk, each in the name of its god,
But we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever.

-Micah 4:5.

Do you believe all people from other religions go to hell/or soul destruction?
 

Eyes to See

Well-Known Member
Do you believe only christans go to heaven?

There is a simple answer to that and one that is more complicated. I think both are required because there are so many ideas of what heaven is. Even in the Bible heaven can refer to different things, such as the sky, the physical universe, and the spirit realm where God lives, from which he created the physical realm and all things in it wherein we live a part of on earth.

The Bible teaches that God made the earth for humans to dwell in. He living in the spiritual heavens has created other spirit beings like himself known as angels, these are invisible to our eyes. They were created long before we existed. The Bible never held out the hope for all mankind to go to heaven. When Jesus came to earth it was revealed that a certain amount of his followers would be chosen to go to heaven to rule with him over the earth as kings and priests when his heavenly kingdom government is established over the earth.

So the Bible teaches that a select number of loyal followers of Christ do go to heaven. It does not teach that all mankind does. Earth is still the domain of mankind and will always be:

"The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it."
-Psalm 37:29.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Hm.. If God is just gravity how do God kill a soul?
I did not say "God is just gravity"
I said the soul can't be killed

Because you wrote:
hence He will never judge anyone. He might kill you, but not judge you.
Indeed, I said God will never judge anyone

He might kill you ... don't read so much into my words, what I did not say
I used the word "might" for a reason, for many reasons actually
And the word "you" is multi interpretable as well
And for sure I did not say "God kills a soul"
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
I did not say "God is just gravity"
I said the soul can't be killed


Indeed, I said God will never judge anyone

He might kill you ... don't read so much into my words, what I did not say
I used the word "might" for a reason, for many reasons actually
And the word "you" is multi interpretable as well
And for sure I did not say "God kills a soul"

But if the soul can't be killed how can God kill the soul? And if you mean God does not kill the soul.. what did you mean with "He might kill you"? Kill you in what way?
 

Starlight

Spiritual but not religious, new age and omnist
Jesus apparently was a racist himself, as he referred to Gentiles as "dogs".
Where? Source please. But remember thousands of years ago people did not think language like that is so bad. I think he not meant it literal. And Jesus said love your neighbor and enemy so no he was not a bad person. He was kind and loving
 
Jesus apparently was a racist himself, as he referred to Gentiles as "dogs".
Yeah, I was totally offended by that part of the New Testament and what a jerk he was seemingly acting like, and how people try to present this false narrative of this really nice and loving guy, whereas the character described in the New Testament is totally acting like a huge jerk to almost everyone (I really dislike the character, even the Buddha is a big jerk in a lot of stories but people present a similar picture of Buddha as they do with Jesus, and totally ignore the actual described behaviors and statements), and if you're God or a God or whatever and can easily and effortlessly do some magical thing and help someone, why would you be such an annoying jerk about it and degrade people and put them down and make them beg or continue to beg when you can just easily heal them or help them in an instant or whatever, gosh!

I've shown that story and those behaviors in multiple quotes, and people are like totally blind to it, its really gross, its like no one even cares, they just want to stick to whatever or say "they must've deserved it" or whatever.
 
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