Not recognizing the divine

[PoetPhilosopher]

Okay, I'll try to focus on my own faith a bit more...

Since the Rishis were just seers, would Krishna the avatar of Vishnu be a seer too or do you view the gods differently?

I should explain what I mean. The Rishis didn't form revelations, they told what was already known. Did Krishna do the same?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

So what does society need to change about itself and its rule such that when the next manifestation of God or the divine comes, that religious history isn't repeated with people mocking, abusing, imprisoning, or even killing the manifestation of the divine?

They have to realise that we are but one humanity under one God.

Regards Tony

 

[Altfish]

So what does society need to change about itself and its rule such that when the next manifestation of God or the divine comes, that religious history isn't repeated with people mocking, abusing, imprisoning, or even killing the manifestation of the divine?

I don't think society has to change anything.
The change has to come from the 'god or divine' - next time they need to leave good, overwhelming evidence; not contradictory scriptures left for dessert dwellers to interpret.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I've been thinking more about this thread and @SalixIncendium did point out an error in my thinking in the OP that went like this:

1. Many Abrahamic incarnations according to religious history have been tortured.

2. Someone like Krishna may be considered on their caliber in terms of the divine.

3. Therefore, other faiths such as Hinduism should also be worried.

This was a fallacious way of thinking though. I'm sorry.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I don't think society has to change anything.
The change has to come from the 'god or divine' - next time they need to leave good, overwhelming evidence; not contradictory scriptures left for dessert dwellers to interpret.

I just want to point out that your snark is becoming increasingly disconnected from the topics in which you share it.

You response really has nothing to do with the OP.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I just want to point out that your snark is becoming increasingly disconnected from the topics in which you share it.

You response really has nothing to do with the OP.

I considered it useful since he was just saying "It's not the way listed in the OP. On the contrary..."

But I don't want to jump in the line of fire.

 

[Vinayaka]

I've been thinking more about this thread and @SalixIncendium did point out an error in my thinking in the OP that went like this:

1. Many Abrahamic incarnations according to religious history have been tortured.

2. Someone like Krishna may be considered on their caliber in terms of the divine.

3. Therefore, other faiths such as Hinduism should also be worried.

This was a fallacious way of thinking though. I'm sorry.

You've been reading too many Baha'i threads, as they do think Krishna is just another manifestation. Glad to see you figured it out. For me personally, since my sect doesn't believe in avatars, the question is moot. But from the little i do know about Vaishnavism, and Gaudiya Vaishnavism in particular, Krishna is God, period. He's not separate from God, so he would never refer to God as something different. Abrahamic 'manifestations' or 'prophets' do talk about God. Probably the best and clearest example is Muhammad talking about Allah.

Best wishes.

 

[blü 2]

So what does society need to change about itself and its rule such that when the next manifestation of God or the divine comes, that religious history isn't repeated with people mocking, abusing, imprisoning, or even killing the manifestation of the divine?

There's no definition appropriate to a real God ─ a being with objective existence, not imaginary ─ so there's no test for whether any real thing is God or not. Or at least, so far no one's been able to tell me the test that will objectively determine whether my keyboard is God or not.

Sp perhaps the first thing society needs is a clear and functional definition of what God is, what real thing we're actually looking for. Without that, it's just one set of opinions against another, same as it's always been, no?

 

[Revoltingest]

I have heard talk in the past of there being forum gods like @Revoltingest , @PopeADope , etc. Maybe I've risen to that level

You're far above......
Forum Feline

Long have people mistakenly believed that cats serve Satan.
Nay, tis the reverse. He serves the Cat Collective.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

You're far above......
Forum Feline

Long have people mistakenly believed that cats serve Satan.
Nay, tis the reverse. He serves the Cat Collective.

You're making this hard. I can't think of you as poopy headed any more if you're going to be nice. Me, the queen of Satan? <3

 

[Gargovic Malkav]

Messianic figures exist only in Abrahamic traditions

If "messianic figure" sounds too Abrahamic and restricting in your view, then please translate the term to something like "hero figure" or "teacher figure"; some expected or desired individual and/or personification of a mindset that's going to help humans become better creatures and guide them into a new era.

 

[Altfish]

I just want to point out that your snark is becoming increasingly disconnected from the topics in which you share it.

You response really has nothing to do with the OP.

It addresses the first line of the first post.
If you can't abide my opinions you can always block me.

 

[SalixIncendium]

It addresses the first line of the first post.

Not really.

Which manifestation of the divine left behind which scriptures?

If you can't abide my opinions you can always block me.

What would be productive in that? It appears you take greater exception to what I said than I did in what you said, given you're the one that jumped right to blocking.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So what does society need to change about itself and its rule such that when the next manifestation of God or the divine comes, that religious history isn't repeated with people mocking, abusing, imprisoning, or even killing the manifestation of the divine?

As a society, we'd need more understanding and less stigma around mental health challenges, along with proper supports for these "manifestations of God."

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

As a society, we'd need more understanding and less stigma around mental health challenges, along with proper supports for these "manifestations of God."

Yeah. It's America though. The mental health people will bow down before the messiahs begging for forgiveness for going to colleges with left leaning professors.

 

[Altfish]

Not really.

Which manifestation of the divine left behind which scriptures?
.

Maybe I misunderstood the 'First Line' of this thread but it said ....

"So what does society need to change about itself and its rule such that when the next manifestation of God or the divine comes, that religious history isn't repeated with people mocking, abusing, imprisoning, or even killing the..."

I think my post addressed that, you are of course entitled to disagree.

 

[Jainarayan]

I'll defer to the more knowledgeable devotees here. They could likely answer this better than me.

@Jainarayan, @Vinayaka?

I personally don't work with the deities or avataras.

To me, and probably most theist Hindus the gods are the gods. They’re not enlightened beings, or subject to karma and samsara as in Buddhism. And depending on one’s sect, that deity could be God. I.e. Ganesha is “supreme” God to His devotees; Hanuman to His; Saraswati or any form of Devi to Hers. Krishna is God to Vaishnavas, devotees of Vishnu. To me Vishnu is my primary view of God, Krishna is the appearance or form of Vishnu I largely interact with.

 

[bobhikes]

So what does society need to change about itself and its rule such that when the next manifestation of God or the divine comes, that religious history isn't repeated with people mocking, abusing, imprisoning, or even killing the manifestation of the divine?

So what does society need to change about itself and its rule such that all peoples are respected, that history isn't repeated with people mocking, abusing, imprisoning, or even killing each other?

Answer this and you'll have your answer.

 

[Windwalker]

I'm not sure I take being made in God's image according to the Bible quite that literally, rather than metaphorically.

That is God manifesting himself as you.

 

[MNoBody]

I believe we are where we need to be at any given time. I don't believe you can achieve enlightenment. You already are enlightened.

except humans have memory defects, since people forget things all the time....
every time we re-spawn [re-incarnate] people have become a blank slate and have become disconnected with their authentic self [the one who keeps on reincarnating and providing the necessary energy to run the meat puppet]
which would explain why all the traditions designed to recover this connection with one's authentic self, so they can stop living deluded fake lives, but that has been co-opted and no longer serves people.
look at how many would argue that such a synopsis is nonsense, and so vociferously ..... [there is evidence to support this manipulation.]