Teacher Beheaded near Paris

[dad]

Then what about examples when the Bible mentions and even commands the "good guys" kill babies (including the unborn), including that the unborn be torn from the womb? What about god ordering the death of the firstborn in Egypt? That global flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? That included children among the dead.

The child sacrificing enemies of God and His people who were the only hope of salvation for mankind were ordered to be killed. Long ago in that place and time. We do not know the depths of evil that these people were in and why a good and loving God had to ensure they were stopped. But I have no doubt it was just. That has nothing to do with today or any other place or time.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The child sacrificing enemies of God and His people who were the only hope of salvation for mankind were ordered to be killed.

I didn't say anything about them. In fact, I specifically accused that god of murdering babies. Born and unborn alike. With the Hebrew army performing their own forced, brutal, and murderous abortions.
And have you read about the bitter waters? More baby killing demanded by Jehovah and his chosen Earthly representatives.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Then what about examples when the Bible mentions and even commands the "good guys" kill babies (including the unborn), including that the unborn be torn from the womb? What about god ordering the death of the firstborn in Egypt? That global flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? That included children among the dead.

Throughout the bible as well, there is a pretty common phrase that goes 'better that x person not have been born,' or variants of that. Aside from being a rather grim and pessimistic comment concerning an individual's condition, which doesn't seem to project much of a healthy attitude on life, the phrase might implicitly be saying that a soul does not really combine with the flesh until birth. Otherwise, why are these phrases marking out birth as the gate between an individual and human experience? For example, Jesus didn't say 'better if Judas was not conceived,' but he said 'better if he not been born.'

 

[dad]

I didn't say anything about them. In fact, I specifically accused that god of murdering babies. Born and unborn alike. With the Hebrew army performing their own forced, brutal, and murderous abortions.
And have you read about the bitter waters? More baby killing demanded by Jehovah and his chosen Earthly representatives.

You prefer to see God as evil, I prefer to see Him as He is. People are not in a position to know all the details of history and why God did what He did. Neither are people God and cannot do things He does, He also died a horrible death to save us, that shows His heart. When Jesus attacked the religious people and called them out and threw over their tables etc we know they were bad people and that he was perfectly justified in doing so. I know He was also perfectly justified in everything He did, despite some people not being able to see how and why.and assuming evil. People use the unknown and shadows to try to justify their own murders and sins and try to paint God the same way.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You prefer to see God as evil, I prefer to see Him as He is. People are not in a position to know all the details of history and why God did what He did. Neither are people God and cannot do things He does,

And yet it's baby killing. Born and unborn. And lots of them. It was even specified as a specific plague in Egypt.

He also died a horrible death to save us, that shows His heart.

Except, he didn't die if he's alive. And he knew what would happen, and knew it would be temporary. One weekend. It sucked, sure, but I fail to see how that is really showing his heart or any sort of sacrifice.

People use the unknown and shadows to try to justify their own murders and sins and try to paint God the same way.

I'm not guilty of murder. But David did write "happy is he who dashes your little ones against stones." Enemies or not, that is a barbaric level of baby killing.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Throughout the bible as well, there is a pretty common phrase that goes 'better that x person not have been born,' or variants of that. Aside from being a rather grim and pessimistic comment concerning an individual's condition, which doesn't seem to project much of a healthy attitude on life, the phrase might implicitly be saying that a soul does not really combine with the flesh until birth. Otherwise, why are these phrases marking out birth as the gate between an individual and human experience? For example, Jesus didn't say 'better if Judas was not conceived,' but he said 'better if he not been born.'

Killing the first "born" requires them be born. Babies who were born were drown in a flood. Born babies and children were crushed and burned in Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[MonkeyFire]

Violence is better than disbelief, but it in itself has no purpose at all what so ever.

 

[Mock Turtle]

If it hasn't been said before, I don't know why the teacher showed any images to his pupils (if he actually did so, which appears to be the case) when he could just have pointed them to the internet, where these cartoons have resided (and easily found) since they were created. Not that this might have prevented this incident, given the offence it seems to cause to so many. But that will always be there - a conflict between their supposed rights not to be offended over others supposed rights for free expression. And like many, I am with the latter.

 

[MonkeyFire]

I'm not guilty of murder. But David did write "happy is he who dashes your little ones against stones." Enemies or not, that is a barbaric level of baby killing.

Imo, he could be warning us about sadistic pleasure.

 

[dad]

And yet it's baby killing. Born and unborn. And lots of them. It was even specified as a specific plague in Egypt.

Except, he didn't die if he's alive. And he knew what would happen, and knew it would be temporary. One weekend. It sucked, sure, but I fail to see how that is really showing his heart or any sort of sacrifice.

I'm not guilty of murder. But David did write "happy is he who dashes your little ones against stones." Enemies or not, that is a barbaric level of baby killing.

So what has your chosen view of the Almighty have to do with the guy that beheaded a teacher?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So what has your chosen view of the Almighty have to do with the guy that beheaded a teacher?

I don't really have a view of an almighty. It's more of an "uhhhhhh......." followed by a puddle of drool because I'm only human. I often don't even have a view of what's in front of me.

 

[Polymath257]

Perhaps you could answer the question I asked. Which religionists shooting abortion doctors are you referring to?

I was referring to the whole lot of them. But, for example, the killing of Shlepian is a very good example. Or of Tiller.

 

[Polymath257]

Um, I was asking Polymath which ones he was referring to. Your post doesn’t answer that. Also your links don’t give hardly any information about the perpetrators being religionists.

They killed these doctors because of their religion. The murderers were even pretty clear that it was their religious beliefs about the immorality of abortion that drove them to kill.

 

[dad]

I don't really have a view of an almighty. It's more of an "uhhhhhh......." followed by a puddle of drool because I'm only human. I often don't even have a view of what's in front of me.

Yes, His word is part of Him, and you have a bad view of that, and His nature.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Yes, His word is part of Him, and you have a bad view of that, and His nature.

Who are you to judge that, asks both Jesus and Paul.

 

[dad]

Who are you to judge that, asks both Jesus and Paul.

Anyone can judge what is written.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Anyone can judge what is written.

Except as a Christian you are commanded to not do that.
Some Christians would say your view of god is bad because it allows for you to partake of worldly conveniences and luxuries.

 

[dad]

Except as a Christian you are commanded to not do that.
Some Christians would say your view of god is bad because it allows for you to partake of worldly conveniences and luxuries.

You misunderstand that also. Some called Jesus a wino and glutton because He ate and drank. So what? Once God has written in black and white what is good or bad, right or wrong, that is already judged! It is not judging to mention or apply it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You misunderstand that also. Some called Jesus a wino and glutton because He ate and drank. So what? Once God has written in black and white what is good or bad, right or wrong, that is already judged! It is not judging to mention or apply it.

And yet you judge my position, the only honest one I know to take, as a bad view of god.
A little interesting fact, Christians are the only ones who find this view bad. Everybody else more or less uniformly respects the honesty of admitted ignorance.

 

[dad]

And yet you judge my position, the only honest one I know to take, as a bad view of god.
A little interesting fact, Christians are the only ones who find this view bad. Everybody else more or less uniformly respects the honesty of admitted ignorance.

God already judged and told us what the result was. By obeying we are not judging. By rejecting it we judge ourselves.