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‘I Beg You, Master’

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
The perp cop was fired but should have been tried, convicted and locked up for a good long time. I have zero patience for this kind of evil in 2020 nor for anyone who engages in whataboutism or other crap. No life matters until Black lives matter as much as white lives and this inhuman action on the part of the evil cop is no more.

‘I Beg You, Master’: Aurora Police Department Releases Footage of Officer ‘Punishing’ Black Woman Left Hogtied Upside Down In Patrol Car for 20 Minutes

Aurora Police Chief Vanessa Wilson said the car video shows that Huffine “tortured” the woman, adding that she was disgusted by the footage.
...
“In my opinion she was just tortured back there. It makes me sick,” said Wilson after watching the video on Tuesday. “We are not judge, jury and [executioner],” said Wilson. “We are not to treat people inhumanely like they don’t matter.”

At one point, Kelly referred to Huffine as “master,” saying: “I beg you, master,” while pleading with him for help.

“As an African-American female she denigrates herself to the point she actually calls him ‘master.’ To me that is disgusting,” said Wilson.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I've been there. In Aurora Colo in the back of a police cruiser hand-cuffed. Yes, there is no way to open the door, get out from the back. Being handcuffed is uncomfortable enough but hogtied as well. The fear alone is bad enough, I can't imagine.

I'm surprised they can't bring up kidnapping charges. I think the police have a right to basically kidnap you for 72 hours.
Fired for misconduct. I wonder if he'll get a job in a police dept in one of the surrounding cities.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member

Police Cam footage starts @ about 1:06:00
 
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Tambourine

Well-Known Member
I await the usual people explaining how that incident should under no circumstances be interpreted as racist.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
The perp cop was fired but should have been tried, convicted and locked up for a good long time. I have zero patience for this kind of evil in 2020 nor for anyone who engages in whataboutism or other crap. No life matters until Black lives matter as much as white lives and this inhuman action on the part of the evil cop is no more.

‘I Beg You, Master’: Aurora Police Department Releases Footage of Officer ‘Punishing’ Black Woman Left Hogtied Upside Down In Patrol Car for 20 Minutes

Aurora Police Chief Vanessa Wilson said the car video shows that Huffine “tortured” the woman, adding that she was disgusted by the footage.
...
“In my opinion she was just tortured back there. It makes me sick,” said Wilson after watching the video on Tuesday. “We are not judge, jury and [executioner],” said Wilson. “We are not to treat people inhumanely like they don’t matter.”

At one point, Kelly referred to Huffine as “master,” saying: “I beg you, master,” while pleading with him for help.

“As an African-American female she denigrates herself to the point she actually calls him ‘master.’ To me that is disgusting,” said Wilson.

This is absolutely outrageous, and it just further confirms the point that the police need greater transparency and accountability. This incident occurred over a year ago, and it's only being reported now. It's almost as if police departments are actively covering up these incidents and making the public think that nothing's wrong.
 

The Hammer

[REDACTED]
Premium Member
This is absolutely outrageous, and it just further confirms the point that the police need greater transparency and accountability. This incident occurred over a year ago, and it's only being reported now. It's almost as if police departments are actively covering up these incidents and making the public think that nothing's wrong.

I would put money that this is more or less, exactly what happens. Look at how the Boy Scouts of America going bankrupt after all these years due to the numbers of Sexual assault allegations coming forward,no way something goes on that long without at least some cover-up.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
And here we go.

How do you know this had anything to do with racism..? :rolleyes:

Looks to me, like he accused her of causing multiple altercations... Most likely, he hated her because of her confrontational demeanor.

Ultimately, it was she who was the racist, calling him "cracker" more than a dozen times.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
So when writing a sentence, is it: "it was her who...", or "it was she who"..?
I wonder about the mandatory leap to blaming racism.
In another thread about that $20,000,000 settlement,
it was a black cop who executed the handcuffed
black guy in the back of a cop car. Was he racist
because that's the kind of thing racist cops do?
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
I wonder about the mandatory leap to blaming racism.
In another thread about that $20,000,000 settlement,
it was a black cop who executed the handcuffed
black guy in the back of a cop car. Was he racist
because that's the kind of thing racist cops do?

I don't get this PC stuff.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
I wonder about the mandatory leap to blaming racism.
In another thread about that $20,000,000 settlement,
it was a black cop who executed the handcuffed
black guy in the back of a cop car. Was he racist
because that's the kind of thing racist cops do?
The expected. I'm not going to play that game including not going to cite statistics about the percentage of white on black acts similar to this versus white on white.

I was on a jury once where 11 of us tried to deal with a holdout who kept saying "how do I know? But I wasn't there". On a jury judgments are made as I've made here. It is what it is.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The expected. I'm not going to play that game including not going to cite statistics about the percentage of white on black acts similar to this versus white on white.

I was on a jury once where 11 of us tried to deal with a holdout who kept saying "how do I know? But I wasn't there". On a jury judgments are made as I've made here. It is what it is.
You're playing a different game, ie, label everything "racist".
Remember when you claimed that only black school children
are handcuffed by cops? I showed you that they did it to
white kids too. You really were unaware that it happened.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I await the usual people explaining how that incident should under no circumstances be interpreted as racist.
I'm wandering if it is a good tactic to label police violence "racist" even if it predominantly concerns non whites. It lets white people think "can't happen to me, so why should I care". I think making this a race problem is racist itself. It is a human rights problem.
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
I'm wandering if it is a good tactic to label police violence "racist" even if it predominantly concerns non whites. It lets white people think "can't happen to me, so why should I care". I think making this a race problem is racist itself. It is a human rights problem.
As far as I can tell, they already don't think it can happen to them, "because I'm not a criminal".
So the sentiment already existed prior to the argument.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
As far as I can tell, they already don't think it can happen to them, "because I'm not a criminal".
So the sentiment already existed prior to the argument.
Breonna Taylor was a) black and b) innocent.
What do you think which attribute will speak to more people?
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm wandering if it is a good tactic to label police violence "racist" even if it predominantly concerns non whites. It lets white people think "can't happen to me, so why should I care". I think making this a race problem is racist itself. It is a human rights problem.

It may be partly that, although from what I can tell, a lot of white people tend to go into "CYA" mode, since they don't want to be labeled as "racist" themselves. They might think "I am not a racist, so therefore my conscience is clear. It's other whites who are racist." Most of what they've seen in their lives have been active society-wide efforts and measures to demonstrate to the world that America is no longer racist at all. It makes people believe that whatever racism still exists is just the result of "a few bad apples" who are not reflective of the majority.

A lot of white people don't typically see any obvious evidence of racism in their lives, and they don't really know what's going on behind closed doors in the government or law enforcement. The media haven't really given a very clear picture either. Things have changed somewhat with cellphones and video cameras being more ubiquitous nowadays. People are seeing things on video that they typically wouldn't see in their own neighborhoods or communities, and that's what seems to make the difference these days. That's also the apparent reason that police departments and other agencies seek to avoid releasing videos or even want to ban/restrict people from filming anything at all.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It may be partly that, although from what I can tell, a lot of white people tend to go into "CYA" mode, since they don't want to be labeled as "racist" themselves. They might think "I am not a racist, so therefore my conscience is clear. It's other whites who are racist." Most of what they've seen in their lives have been active society-wide efforts and measures to demonstrate to the world that America is no longer racist at all. It makes people believe that whatever racism still exists is just the result of "a few bad apples" who are not reflective of the majority.

A lot of white people don't typically see any obvious evidence of racism in their lives, and they don't really know what's going on behind closed doors in the government or law enforcement. The media haven't really given a very clear picture either. Things have changed somewhat with cellphones and video cameras being more ubiquitous nowadays. People are seeing things on video that they typically wouldn't see in their own neighborhoods or communities, and that's what seems to make the difference these days. That's also the apparent reason that police departments and other agencies seek to avoid releasing videos or even want to ban/restrict people from filming anything at all.
As an avowed racist, I have no need to deny it.
Perhaps this makes it easier to spot baseless claims of racism.
Sometimes it's just not knowable whether police misbehavior
is driven by racism, sexism, anger, poor training, or general
misanthropy.
 
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