Religious mathematics

[Unveiled Artist]

I guess religion and mathematics don't mix well. You end up with things like 3=1.

Yeah. I just used math terms for context rather than discuss mathematics.

 

[Terry Sampson]

Can you give it religious context?
Math isn't my strong point. I used the words as an analogy but not a means to an end.

Wait a minute, ...

• You're not religious,
  • by your own confession:

  • I don't answer all questions because some understand but since I'm not religious, I don't.

• Math isn't your strong point,
  • by your own confession:

  • Math isn't my strong point.

• You start a thread entitled "Religious Mathematics" in the "General Religious Debates" forum and you ask:
  

  • Why is "greater than" better than "equal to?"

• But when I post my answer, you respond with:

  • Huh?

• Question to myself: "Why am I involved this thread?"

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Wait a minute, ...

• You're not religious,
  • by your own confession:
• Math isn't your strong point,
  • by your own confession:
• You start a thread entitled "Religious Mathematics" in the "General Religious Debates" forum and you ask:
  
• But when I post my answer, you respond with:
• Question to myself: "Why am I involved this thread?"

Because I don't understand your other post. What does that all mean?

 

[Terry Sampson]

Because I don't understand your other post. What does that all mean?

If I thought there was a good chance of your understanding my explanation, I'd try to explain. But since I currently doubt that you'd understand my explanation, I don't see any potential benefit in doing so.
I am, however, actually curious what it was and where it was in the other thread that you were reading that led you to post this thread and ask your question.

Yeah. I got the idea from another thread.

 

[MNoBody]

Can you give it religious context?

Math isn't my strong point. I used the words as an analogy but not a means to an end.

hmmm... in the beginning was the word...
and then it gets named from there, put into an order from its chaotic formlessness
the graphic shows a progressive unfolding
this is the basis of an entire philosophy of life, existence and everything, but even the learned admit they are just toddlers in the face of this immensity
but we are discussing a system of reasoning and are no longer talking about this ephemeral phenomenon directly,
it is as if by way of a mirror......take your pick, there are many, or make your own
does that help?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

If I thought there was a good chance of your understanding my explanation, I'd try to explain. But since I currently doubt that you'd understand my explanation, I don't see any potential benefit in doing so.
I am, however, actually curious what it was and where it was in the other thread that you were reading that led you to post this thread and ask your question.

It was from the "Greater Purposes" thread Greater purposes

A lot of people believe spirituality or religion, by nature, involves a "greater purpose" compared to mundane or human purposes. They see religion or mystic experiences as greater while human experiences as mundane. Humans have a limited mind and they can't understand the expanse of the universe.

I see life from an equal perspective rather than hierarchical. So religion, spirituality, or mystic experiences aren't above me for their mystery etc but equal to me (lack of better words). There are no favorites.

Why is greater than (former) better than equal to (latter)?

As for your post, mathematics and christian mathematics, the only thing I kind of got was "to be greater than another, one should be lesser than the other, and in neither case equal to the other."

... but the context wasn't about math but religion. If I put variables in the OP, I can see the confusion. Since there were none, I'm honestly not sure what your post was based on.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I learned that communication works best if people just say what they feel, that's heart-communication
If people are not direct, use sarcasm, irony, cynicism they use mind-communication, so heart-communication is closed by them (most do it unaware)


I used to fully be blocked in good communication, and had to discover it myself. Took me years.
Language is not the problem. Though people in some cultures are more direct, hence it seems that language might cause it.

True. I've learned, though, that culture and language can't be separated. So, I guess you can say language is the expression of one's culture. Which is kind of weird, though, because in American Culture it is said that we are direct. However, our language is somewhat indirect. I wonder if that's why people learning English get confused. We really want you to close the window but we may say "it's raining outside" hoping that you can read our minds (passive directness) and get upset when you don't get it the first time. But thankfully, some people are more patient than others in those regards.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

hmmm... in the beginning was the word...
and then it gets named from there, put into an order from its chaotic formlessness
the graphic shows a progressive unfolding
this is the basis of an entire philosophy of life, existence and everything, but even the learned admit they are just toddlers in the face of this immensity
but we are discussing a system of reasoning and are no longer talking about this ephemeral phenomenon directly,
it is as if by way of a mirror......take your pick, there are many, or make your own
does that help?

No

 

[MNoBody]

No

well,no worries ......cut, take 2....will have to cook up some new memery

 

[QuestioningMind]

Why is "greater than" better than "equal to?"

Unless you have context, neither is necessarily 'better' than the other.

For instance, I'm a doctor and I tell you that the operation I'm proposing has an 'equal risk' as getting your appendix removed or a 'greater risk' than having your appendix removed, which would be 'better'? Having an EQUAL risk or a GREATER risk?

 

[MNoBody]

No

perhaps this post will perplex some more, perhaps not.
"memery" lane

 

[Terry Sampson]

It was from the "Greater Purposes" thread Greater purposes

A lot of people believe spirituality or religion is, by nature, involves a "greater purpose" compared to mundane or human purposes. They see religion or mystic experiences as greater while human experiences as mundane. Humans have a limited mind and they can't understand the expanse of the universe.

I see life from an equal perspective rather than hierarchical. So religion, spirituality, or mystic experiences aren't above me for their mystery etc but equal to me (lack of better words). There are no favorites.

Why is greater than (former) better than equal to (latter)?

Ahhh, ... now I'm beginning to understand where you were coming from when you posted your thread. And I can also understand your inability to make sense of my first post, so ignore it.

For the record, I saw the first post in the thread "Greater Purpose" and passed it by because (a) it didn't interest me and (b) it didn't appear to be an invitation "to play", i.e. have fun brainstorming.

That said, I have to say here, if I had known where you were coming from and what you were trying to ask, then I'd have passed on the opportunity to participate in this thread, too.

I'm done. Over and out.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Unless you have context, neither is necessarily 'better' than the other.

For instance, I'm a doctor and I tell you that the operation I'm proposing has an 'equal risk' as getting your appendix removed or a 'greater risk' than having your appendix removed, which would be 'better'? Having an EQUAL risk or a GREATER risk?

I'm not sure. Religiously, greater than is referring to hierarchy. I haven't thought of it in any other context before outside of mathematics.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Ahhh, ... now I'm beginning to understand where you were coming from when you posted your thread. And I can also understand your inability to make sense of my first post, so ignore it.

For the record, I saw the first post in the thread "Greater Purpose" and passed it by because (a) it didn't interest me and (b) it didn't appear to be an invitation "to play", i.e. have fun brainstorming.

That said, I have to say here, if I had known where you were coming from and what you were trying to ask, then I'd have passed on the opportunity to participate in this thread, too.

I'm done. Over and out.

Yeah. I do that a lot too especially when I know the OP wasn't addressing me. I didn't participate in the Greater Purpose thread (I don't think) cause I never had a greater purpose. Probably those who understood the analogy did believe in that or those whose spirituality define how they interpret reality. Those without those type of experiences or interpret it in that way may not get the question.

It did make me confused for some posts who answered with mathematics when there are no variables to decide which type of math to apply to makes sense of their post.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I'm not sure. Religiously, greater than is referring to hierarchy. I haven't thought of it in any other context before outside of mathematics.

Then your question makes no sense, because there's no such thing as 'religious' mathematics.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Then your question makes no sense, because there's no such thing as 'religious' mathematics.

I know there isn't. The context has nothing to do with mathematics. Those are just the words I used in the OP that described something-idea or concept that is better/greater/has 'more' significance, etc compared to its opposite. In this case hierarchy versus equality.

Some people got it, others did not. I know not everyone sees things like that. Some are more literal minded than others. Big picture.

 

[QuestioningMind]

I know there isn't. The context has nothing to do with mathematics. Those are just the words I used in the OP that described something-idea or concept that is better/greater/has 'more' significance, etc compared to its opposite. In this case hierarchy versus equality.

Some people got it, others did not. I know not everyone sees things like that. Some are more literal minded than others. Big picture.

Okay... sounds as if you were trying to be as confusing as possible then.

 

[Eyes to See]

Coming in late to the thread so I read the context of the question in the OP. Why is there a greater purpose to our lives than the mundane? Something that is spiritual? Why is the search for spirituality or religion, greater than the mundane? I am trying to relate what I understand you to mean.

Jesus said this:

“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them."-Matthew 5:3.

Here he indicates that there is a spiritual need that we have as humans. People who are searching to satiate that spiritual need are aware of it.

Why is it greater than the mundane? Jesus said those who are aware of that spiritual need are happy, because to them belong the kingdom of God.

A lot is involved in that statement. But it includes everlasting life. And that is worth far more than anything mundane or banal. It is of the greatest value!

Jesus likened finding the truth to several things because of the greater value of it. One such was that of a pearl of great value:

"Again the Kingdom of the heavens is like a traveling merchant seeking fine pearls. 46 Upon finding one pearl of high value, he went away and promptly sold all the things he had and bought it."-Matthew 13:45, 46.

 

[osgart]

It wasn't hard to get though!

Put religion first, mathematics second in relation. Use your imagination and try to be as truthful as possible.

Besides she likes art and finding relationships and patterns in themes I bet.

 

[MNoBody]

Jesus said this:

“Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the Kingdom of the heavens belongs to them."-Matthew 5:3.

a question to this would be why do only some exhibit this appetite and others are oblivious...in fact most are rather blase' about the whole matter and have no interest or appetite at all, over their entire discernible lifetimes.... very odd if the theory that this is some god's playpen for his brood of brats...must have been some bad baby batter in the mix...oh well manifest a convenient scapegoat and blame it on that guy and give the kids guilt over being flawed from the outset as if it is their fault through the sharing of the parental guilt.....nice guy.what possible lesson could one derive from such a chaotic mess of a story?