A Huge Problem for Islam

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes he was aware of them, but he did not follow any of those religions, just as i said

I think that is obviously false, considering he came up with part 3 of that story.

Islam is to christianity what christianity is to judaism, in that sense.
It is a continuation of that abrahamic tradition.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I think that is obviously false, considering he came up with part 3 of that story.

Islam is to christianity what christianity is to judaism, in that sense.
It is a continuation of that abrahamic tradition.

If you feel it is false that is your opinion

 

[Fool]

Thats not what I said. Nevertheless, the Nabi or Rasool in the Quran is a telegram bringer of God. He of himself can do nothing. He is a mere, mortal man. All divinity rests with God alone. Thats the whole concept of the Qur'an. So the ideas that you have about prophethood and the Nabi/Rasool of the Quran are in fact poles apart.

obviously a monotheistic dualist would believe such a thing. they create god in their image. they define god's coming and going. they place limits around god, and stumbling blocks before god.

god is absolute. monotheistic dualists on the other hand are false prophets when describing god. a prophet can do all things with god but a false prophet can do nothing apart from god. so being an ego that sees itself and others as separated/divided against god are delusional.

god is all thus all is god.


jesus and the psalmist says that all are gods, children of the most high. the monotheist dualist says they aren't

 

[firedragon]

obviously a monotheist dualist would believe such a thing. they create god in their image. they define god's coming and going. they place limits around god, and stumbling blocks before god.

god is absolute. monotheist dualists on the other hand are false prophets when describing god. a prophet can do all things with god but a false prophet can do nothing apart from god. so being an ego that sees itself and others as separated/divided against god are delusional.

god is all thus all is god.


jesus and the psalmist says that all are gods, children of the most high. the monotheist dualist says they aren't

Still, your idea of prophet and the Quranic rasool are completely different. You have not understood it. Everything else you said in this post is irrelevant.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

But they do believe that theirs is the prophet and religion for another 800 years or so.
At least that's what Bahais have told me.

Frankly, while I consider their Messengers quite sophisticated for the 19th century, they've been surpassed already in terms of moral and theological sophistication. The human world is changing a lot faster than they(or God) realized it would.

For all Bahai folks know, God may have already sent a new Messenger for the 21st century. But your Messenger made a different claim so Bahais will either miss him/her, or treat them like the Bahai Messenger was treated.

Tom

There would be some intervals between the God's revelations, because, the teachings in each revelation are designed to be suitable for a certain period of time.

Now, ofcourse if we were to consider the opinions of people about teachings of a religion, they would certainly have different opinions about those teachings. Some may see the teachings infallible, while some will see some of them invalid.

But, discussing this more at a high level, the Bahais don't believe there is an end, in God's revelations. But that does not mean, God will send a new Messenger every day, or every week. The period between Revelations has been centuries, which makes sense, since it really takes centuries for people to forget the message, or misinterpret them significantly, or the new age requirement, makes the religious laws inappropriate.

 

[Fool]

Still, your idea of prophet and the Quranic rasool are completely different. You have not understood it. Everything else you said in this post is irrelevant.

no its a problem in islam and viewing god as separate from the rasool. god doesn't live in some remote universe, or country. its with the rasool. the rasool is a vehicle, god is driving it and not remotely but inherently.

dualists believe god is otherwise. thats what dualists do. they divide and conquer in their own delusional/double minds

 

[firedragon]

no its a problem in islam and you viewing god as separate from the rasool. god doesn't live in some remote universe, or country. its with the rasool. the rasool is a vehicle, god is driving it and not remotely but inherently.

dualists believe god is otherwise. thats what dualists do. they divide and conquer in their own delusional/double minds

Cheers.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

no its a problem in islam and viewing god as separate from the rasool. god doesn't live in some remote universe, or country. its with the rasool. the rasool is a vehicle, god is driving it and not remotely but inherently.

dualists believe god is otherwise. thats what dualists do. they divide and conquer in their own delusional/double minds

Actually, I would say it is a problem with misinterpreting the Quran. Quran teaches unity of God with His messengers, which is in all Abrahamic Religions.

For example, Jesus said, 'I and the Father are One'.

Muhammad also revealed the same in the Quran and Hadithes. Here is an example:



"Lo! those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers, and seek to make distinction between Allah and His messengers, and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and seek to choose a way in between; Such are disbelievers in truth; and for disbelievers We prepare a shameful doom" Quran 4:150-151

 

[columbus]

I think that is obviously false, considering he came up with part 3 of that story.

Islam is to christianity what christianity is to judaism, in that sense.
It is a continuation of that abrahamic tradition.

And Baha'i is to Islam as Islam is to Christian/Jewish etc.
People who claim to know what God really meant/means...
Tom

 

[firedragon]

Actually, I would say it is a problem with misinterpreting the Quran. Quran teaches unity of God with His messengers, which is in all Abrahamic Religions.

For example, Jesus said, 'I and the Father are One'.

Muhammad also revealed the same in the Quran and Hadithes. Here is an example:



"Lo! those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers, and seek to make distinction between Allah and His messengers, and say: We believe in some and disbelieve in others, and seek to choose a way in between; Such are disbelievers in truth; and for disbelievers We prepare a shameful doom" Quran 4:150-151

John (Jesus) also says that the disciples are one with him and they are all one.

 

[Muffled]

Many followers of islam believe that Muhammad was the last prophet. Unfortunately they must not have read the book of joel or acts. Both books claim that on the day of the Lord's coming, basically the day of resurrection, the Lord will pour out it's Spirit on all and they will prophecy. Both males and females.

Did muhammad lie? Did he not bother to read either the tanakh or the new testament? Did his followers misunderstand?

What gives?

I believe people telling prophecies are not prophets unless that is their calling. I have had a prophecy but that does not make me a prophet.

Not only that but I believe it actually means messenger as in someone responsible for the words in a holy Book.

 

[Muffled]

IMO: (meaning I can be wrong of course)
I know that men oppressed women a lot, so obviously Scriptures are not pure. You can only receive God's word pure if you are pure yourself. Not saying the scriptures have no value though; but they don't have the purest knowledge. Probably sufficient for that time. Hence I believe that God will send new messengers or Avatars if we, as humanity, need new lessons (have learned the old lessons, or worse forgotten even the old lessons), or any other reason only God knows.

To claim that Muhammad is the final Prophet is not smart, as God does not let himself pin down usually.

I believe He has sent Jesus and that is all anyone needs and fulfills His purpose.

 

[Muffled]

So do Bahais.
Christians beliefs aren't that different.
Etc.

Abrahamic religion is plagued by the concept of God's Chosen People, led by God's Chosen Prophet.



Lots of people, including non-Muslims, have also read them and drawn the conclusion that they aren't accurate, much less inspired by God.

This isn't a Muslim problem. Is a problem Christians have with the credibility of their Scripture, and their interpretations of Jewish Scripture.

Tom

I believe there is no credibility problem except by people who wish to be satanic.

 

[MNoBody]

I believe people telling prophecies are not prophets unless that is their calling. I have had a prophecy but that does not make me a prophet.

Not only that but I believe it actually means messenger as in someone responsible for the words in a holy Book.

isn't the test of a prophet that their prophesy actually come to pass for everyone else to see without chewing their medicine to see it?

 

[stvdv]

I believe He has sent Jesus and that is all anyone needs and fulfills His purpose.

I agree, having Jesus, you need nothing more (probably some bread and wine to dine)

 

[Muffled]

isn't the test of a prophet that their prophesy actually come to pass for everyone else to see without chewing their medicine to see it?

I believe that makes sense.

 

[Muffled]

I agree, having Jesus, you need nothing more (probably some bread and wine to dine)

I believe there was no bread or wine when I attended a Christian Science Church and a Friends (Quaker) meeting but I managed to remember that I was forgiven anyway. I do like to be reminded though.

 

[MNoBody]

I believe that makes sense.

so, what's all the kerfuffle about then?
just wondering.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

John (Jesus) also says that the disciples are one with him and they are all one.

Yes. Jesus said to them, I am in you, and you are in Me.
In a spiritual sense though.

 

[firedragon]

Yes. Jesus said to them, I am in you, and you are in Me.
In a spiritual sense though.

He said "Hen". The same sense as "I and the father are one".