What is Your Stance?

[Hellbound Serpiente]

I don't adhere to any religion or any nation, I do, however, believe in God and try my best to stay true to truth and justice. It depends whether we are righteous and are on truth and justice, then, and only then, will I fight [God Willing]. My only criteria is justice, I don't care which country I have to fight for and who I have to fight against. If my country is wrong and unjust, I won't fight for them and won't kill any innocent [God Willing], regardless of their religion, nationality etc.

 

[Eyes to See]

I don't adhere to any religion or any nation, I do, however, believe in God and try my best to stay true to truth and justice. It depends whether we are righteous and are on truth and justice, then, and only then, will I fight [God Willing]. My only criteria is justice, I don't care which country I have to fight for and who I have to fight against. If my country is wrong and unjust, I won't fight for them and won't kill any innocent [God Willing], regardless of their religion, nationality etc.

Well said. And this is the stance most people who go to war take. For example in WWII the clergy prayed over the Nazi soldiers and told them they were righteous soldiers fighting for God. While at the same time the clergy from the same Churches were doing the same thing on the other side.

 

[LightofTruth]

I am going to ask a question here of anyone and everyone that wishes to join in.

There are people of all different faiths on this board, and those without faith. We have Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, atheist, and the list goes on.

I am going to propound a fictitious scenario and want you to put yourself in it and simply answer what you would do.

Let us say that two countries, A and B, are going to war. You are in one of these countries, let's say A. People of your same belief and or religion are in country B. Let us throw me into the other country as well, so I am of country B.

You have been drafted into the army of country A and told to fight against country B.

Country B has adherents to the same faith or belief system you belong to. I am there as well. You are not given the option to decline military service and you will be given weapons and you will have to kill your enemy in country B.

What would you do? Do you go to war? Do you kill members of your same faith or beliefs in country B?

This is not a far-fethced scenario it has played out many times over the years, including in the 2 major wars of the 20th century, WWI, and WWII.

So please state what faith or belief you are, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc. And please state whether you are willing to go to war for your country and kill members of your same faith or belief system in the opposing country that you are at war with in this fictitious scenario. And of course that would mean me as well. Would you pick up arms and perhaps put me to death for being on the opposing side?

ETA:

Country B is doing the same thing as Country A.

Towards the end of WWII the Germans were drafting everyone. It didn't matter how young or old you were.

In the US everyone of working age was used for the war effort. Working in factories and such. If they weren't shooting the bullets they were making them.

I suppose one could decide not to be involved in any of that. But he'd have to face the consequences.

It might mean saving your life by losing it.

 

[Eyes to See]

Towards the end of WWII the Germans were drafting everyone. It didn't matter how young or old you were.

In the US everyone of working age was used for the war effort. Working in factories and such. If they weren't shooting the bullets they were making them.

I suppose one could decide not to be involved in any of that. But he'd have to face the consequences.

It might mean saving your life by losing it.

Very true. Your last statement is elucidating.

 

[Nakosis]

I am going to ask a question here of anyone and everyone that wishes to join in.

There are people of all different faiths on this board, and those without faith. We have Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, atheist, and the list goes on.

I am going to propound a fictitious scenario and want you to put yourself in it and simply answer what you would do.

Let us say that two countries, A and B, are going to war. You are in one of these countries, let's say A. People of your same belief and or religion are in country B. Let us throw me into the other country as well, so I am of country B.

You have been drafted into the army of country A and told to fight against country B.

Country B has adherents to the same faith or belief system you belong to. I am there as well. You are not given the option to decline military service and you will be given weapons and you will have to kill your enemy in country B.

What would you do? Do you go to war? Do you kill members of your same faith or beliefs in country B?

This is not a far-fethced scenario it has played out many times over the years, including in the 2 major wars of the 20th century, WWI, and WWII.

So please state what faith or belief you are, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc. And please state whether you are willing to go to war for your country and kill members of your same faith or belief system in the opposing country that you are at war with in this fictitious scenario. And of course that would mean me as well. Would you pick up arms and perhaps put me to death for being on the opposing side?

ETA:

Country B is doing the same thing as Country A.

If your country is trying to attack/invade my country, I would defend my country. If my country was trying to attack/invaded your country I would not support such an invasion. I would rather face whatever penalties came with refusing to serve.

 

[columbus]

Thank you for your honest reply. So you would have no problem murdering me in war, or anyone else for that matter. Many Germans prior to you indeed have behaved in the same manner.

Murder?

You realize that the German Army was overwhelmingly Christian, right?
Tom

 

[columbus]

Well said. And this is the stance most people who go to war take. For example in WWII the clergy prayed over the Nazi soldiers and told them they were righteous soldiers fighting for God. While at the same time the clergy from the same Churches were doing the same thing on the other side.

I personally find it most plausible that Jesus was a violent, anti-Roman, guerilla myself.

Of course, His Fellow Revolutionaries couldn't say that to anybody. Like Paul.
Or they'd have wound up being executed like Jesus was. So, Christianity was founded on a legend. Not the reality.
Tom

 

[MNoBody]

when confronted with the 2 Horns of a dilemma, often the most sensible thing to do is not enter the arena.....thus, avoid the bull-fight.
only a fool will grab 2 fighting dogs and seek to separate them....let them have it out, do like the hebrews, let them kill each other off, crazies anyways, world would be better off without them, and go pick the spoils off the field of battle after they are done ....at least that is the biblical example one can read in any commercially available "bible".

 

[Left Coast]

I am going to ask a question here of anyone and everyone that wishes to join in.

There are people of all different faiths on this board, and those without faith. We have Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, atheist, and the list goes on.

I am going to propound a fictitious scenario and want you to put yourself in it and simply answer what you would do.

Let us say that two countries, A and B, are going to war. You are in one of these countries, let's say A. People of your same belief and or religion are in country B. Let us throw me into the other country as well, so I am of country B.

You have been drafted into the army of country A and told to fight against country B.

Country B has adherents to the same faith or belief system you belong to. I am there as well. You are not given the option to decline military service and you will be given weapons and you will have to kill your enemy in country B.

What would you do? Do you go to war? Do you kill members of your same faith or beliefs in country B?

This is not a far-fethced scenario it has played out many times over the years, including in the 2 major wars of the 20th century, WWI, and WWII.

So please state what faith or belief you are, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc. And please state whether you are willing to go to war for your country and kill members of your same faith or belief system in the opposing country that you are at war with in this fictitious scenario. And of course that would mean me as well. Would you pick up arms and perhaps put me to death for being on the opposing side?

ETA:

Country B is doing the same thing as Country A.

I'm responding to this without reading what anyone else wrote.

My answer is...likely not. I believe we should find every peaceful means possible to resolve conflict and war should be an absolute last resort. If another country were attacking us without provocation, murdering us, and showed no signs of stopping with the intent to wipe my country from the map, or put us under some awful dictatorship, and our military had been so depleted that they had to institute a draft, then yes I think I would be willing to fight to defend myself and my loved ones from dictatorship or death.

Now, the likelihood of that scenario is rather small. There are almost always escalations on both sides of a conflict, and ways the conflict could have been resolved without war. So each situation has to be evaluated separately.

I agree with us taking action against the Nazis, because I rather like not being a Nazi and those people were literally hellbent on the eradication of an entire race of people and dictatorship over the rest of the world. However, some of our tactics as part of that war, not least of which was use of nuclear weapons, was IMO awful and unjustified.

 

[Left Coast]

Have you ever served?

JWs are generally prohibited from military service.

 

[YoursTrue]

I would absolutely not be killing any Jews. I would desert and attempt to join the other nation.

But you would kill non-Jews?

 

[YoursTrue]

I'm responding to this without reading what anyone else wrote.

My answer is...likely not. I believe we should find every means possible to resolve conflict and war should be an absolute last resort. If another country were attacking us without provocation, murdering us, and showed no signs of stopping with the intent to wipe my country from the map, or put us under some awful dictatorship, and our military had been so depleted that they had to institute a draft, then yes I think I would be willing to fight to defend myself and my loved ones from dictatorship or death.

Now, the likelihood of that scenario is rather small. There are almost always escalations on both sides of a conflict, and ways the conflict could have been resolved without war. So each situation had to be evaluated separately.

I agree with us taking action against the Nazis, because I rather like not being a Nazi and those people were literally hellbent on the eradication of an entire race of people and dictatorship over the rest of the world. However, some of our tactics as part of that war, not least of which was use of nuclear weapons, was IMO awful and unjustified.

I was just reading that the Americans influenced the Nazis before the war with their ideas about racial superiority and eugenics. Did you know that?

 

[Left Coast]

I was just reading that the Americans influenced the Nazis before the war with their ideas about racial superiority and eugenics. Did you know that?

The Nazis definitely didn't invent racial superiority, so it doesn't surprise me if they were inspired by some Americans.

 

[YoursTrue]

The Nazis definitely didn't invent racial superiority, so it doesn't surprise me if they were inspired by some Americans.

You need to look at the history of forced hysterectomies and lobotomies. Caused by those believing in evolution and survival of the so-called fittest. New lawsuit now about unneeded hysterectomies of those in immigration camps in the u.s. now. It's an interesting but sad read and includes many powerful figures.

 

[Left Coast]

You need to look at the history of forced hysterectomies and lobotomies. Caused by those believing in evolution and survival of the so-called fittest. New lawsuit now about unneeded hysterectomies of those in immigration camps in the u.s. now. It's an interesting but sad read and includes many powerful figures.

I'm aware of it. Not sure how it relates to the topic of the thread, though.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Boundaries of countries are stronger than the ropes of religion that bind us. Nepal is a Hindu majority country which has thrown a challenge to India in pleasing China. If it comes to a war (which, of course, is not a probable scenario. It is just a pin-prick - showing some Indian territory as Nepalese), Indian army will do its job.
But then India is a secular country and Indian army is not a Hindu army.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I am going to ask a question here of anyone and everyone that wishes to join in.

There are people of all different faiths on this board, and those without faith. We have Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, atheist, and the list goes on.

I am going to propound a fictitious scenario and want you to put yourself in it and simply answer what you would do.

Let us say that two countries, A and B, are going to war. You are in one of these countries, let's say A. People of your same belief and or religion are in country B. Let us throw me into the other country as well, so I am of country B.

You have been drafted into the army of country A and told to fight against country B.

Country B has adherents to the same faith or belief system you belong to. I am there as well. You are not given the option to decline military service and you will be given weapons and you will have to kill your enemy in country B.

What would you do? Do you go to war? Do you kill members of your same faith or beliefs in country B?

This is not a far-fethced scenario it has played out many times over the years, including in the 2 major wars of the 20th century, WWI, and WWII.

So please state what faith or belief you are, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc. And please state whether you are willing to go to war for your country and kill members of your same faith or belief system in the opposing country that you are at war with in this fictitious scenario. And of course that would mean me as well. Would you pick up arms and perhaps put me to death for being on the opposing side?

ETA:

Country B is doing the same thing as Country A.

Muslim here.
No i would not kill anyone not from same faith or from any other faith.
If they tried to give me a weapon i would refuse to take it.

 

[Pipiripi]

Real Christians don't go to war. Our war is against demons. Ephesians 6:10-18

 

[Heyo]

I am going to ask a question here of anyone and everyone that wishes to join in.

There are people of all different faiths on this board, and those without faith. We have Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, atheist, and the list goes on.

I am going to propound a fictitious scenario and want you to put yourself in it and simply answer what you would do.

Let us say that two countries, A and B, are going to war. You are in one of these countries, let's say A. People of your same belief and or religion are in country B. Let us throw me into the other country as well, so I am of country B.

You have been drafted into the army of country A and told to fight against country B.

Country B has adherents to the same faith or belief system you belong to. I am there as well. You are not given the option to decline military service and you will be given weapons and you will have to kill your enemy in country B.

What would you do? Do you go to war? Do you kill members of your same faith or beliefs in country B?

This is not a far-fethced scenario it has played out many times over the years, including in the 2 major wars of the 20th century, WWI, and WWII.

So please state what faith or belief you are, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist, etc. And please state whether you are willing to go to war for your country and kill members of your same faith or belief system in the opposing country that you are at war with in this fictitious scenario. And of course that would mean me as well. Would you pick up arms and perhaps put me to death for being on the opposing side?

ETA:

Country B is doing the same thing as Country A.

I'm an Agnostic but in the given scenario religion or philosophy of the other side wouldn't be of any concern to me. The only question would be who the attacker is. I wouldn't partake in an attack (and be backed by the constitution of my country) but I reserve the right for self defence. (And I'd try not to kill you. Wounded you'd be more of a liability to your side than dead.)

 

[Rival]

But you would kill non-Jews?

In this scenario I haven't really any choice. I would identify more with the Jews though.