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Jesus is Coming

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
As has already been explained to you, who apparently are not mentally equipped to grasp what you had read, so let me here repeat.
Where does the bible say that Noah's grandfather didn't drown, given that the bible says he was 369 "years" older than Noah (Gen 5)?

Where does the bible say that none of Noah's family drowned and therefore no one drowned, given that the bible says that the only people alive then were all members of Noah's family?

Where does the bible say that (chapter & verse), or did you just make that up?

Where does the bible say that (chapter & verse), or did you just make that up too?

Where does the bible say that he didn't drown (chapter & verse), or did you just make that up too?

In other words you have no evidence whatsoever that Noah's widowed mother and grandmother didn't also drown with Noah's grandfather and Noah's aunts and uncles and cousins and brothers and sisters and his other children and grandchildren born before and after Mrs Noah gave birth to triplets at aged 500 "years" old (Gen 5:26-32), given that the bible says that the only people alive then and who drowned were all members of Noah's family.

Nor can you tell us where the bible says that no one drowned as you claim, and that Noah's family had presumably already moved out of the flooded area before the river height rose by 15 cubits and covered the flooded area to the horizon as described in the bible.

So what evidence do you have to support your claim that Lamech drowned along with most of his family, given that the bible clearly says that Noah's father had already died 5 or so "years" before Noah's grandfather, and given that I clearly said that only Noah's widowed mother drowned and not her late husband? Or did you dishonestly make that up too? Or aren't you aware of what the word "widowed" means?

You don't have the corona virus, Do you, since nothing that you have said on this forum, makes any sense at all?

Parrots can be taught to repeat that which they hear, but apparently they cannot be taught to add
No, that verse does not say that.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

"A look at the larger discussion of Jesus in this chapter demonstrates this is not true. Jesus was speaking with Nicodemus, a Jewish teacher who had come to Him at night with questions about the kingdom of God. The emphasis was on Jesus having the authority to teach on eternal life because He alone had come down from heaven to earth. The NLT translates the verse, "No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man has come down from heaven."

Verse 17 further illustrates this point. Jesus stated, "For God did not sent his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him." Again, the emphasis is on Jesus coming to earth from heaven.

Other passages also illustrate the fact that some people went to heaven (or paradise) before Jesus came to earth. For example, in His response to the religious leaders in Mark 12:26-27, Jesus answered, "And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God spoke to him, saying, 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not God of the dead, but of the living."

What does John 3:13 mean? Did no one go to heaven before Jesus?

Enoch, who ascended into heaven and was anointed as the heir and succor to the Throne of the Most High in the creation, who was then 'The Lord of creatures' is the only man to have descended from heaven, and appeared to Abraham as the "SON OF MAN,' the Most High in the creation and chosen as his God.

Elijah, who like Enoch, was also taken up, and who, like Enoch, who was in the valley of man For three days before revealing himself in the body of his servant 'Jesus' has now been in the valley of man for almost three days also, and is to appear immediately before the Great day of God's wrath, the great tribulation that precedes the One thousand years Sabbath.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, and all the saints including Samuel, whose rest, was disturbed by King Saul, although having been made dead in the flesh, still live as they await the Great day, when the Son of Man appears and divides the sheep from the goats (Matthew 25: 31-46.) when all those in the world of hades shall stand before the Judgement throne, the sheep to be resurrected to everlasting life in their new glorified heavenly bodies as spoken of by Paul, while the goats, who are under God's curse, are sent away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels, which for those under God's curse, is the second death (The death of the minds) that had developed within the physical bodies that had been returned to the elements from which they had been created.

Isaiah 57: 1-2; Good people die, and no one understands of even cares. But when they (Good People) die, no calamity can hurt them. Those who lead GOOD LIVES find peace and rest in death.

Although the JW's Preach that the spirits/minds of the unrighteous find peace and rest in death also.

They (The Unrighteous) are said to be asleep in death, but they will find no peace and rest in death. O, the nightmares and mental anguish they must suffer, remembering all the wicked deeds that they had committed against their fellowman, such as those of the rich man, who watched the beggar Lazarus die of starvation, as they await the great unknown.
 
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Mitty

Active Member
Parrots can be taught to repeat that which they hear, but apparently they cannot be taught to add
So why do you just parrot, and why can't you do simple arithmetic and tell us why the biblical writers changed the life span for Noah's grandfather from 970 "years" to 969 "years"?
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I do not know.

It is telling us where and the way Christ will come at the end of ages and what name we will know Christ as.

Then can you tell us what this is saying?

Ezekiel 43:1 "Afterward he brought me to the gate, the gate that faces toward the east. 2 And behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east. His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory. 3 It was like the appearance of the vision which I saw—like the vision which I saw when I came to destroy the city. The visions were like the vision which I saw by the River Chebar; and I fell on my face. 4 And the glory of the Lord came into the temple by way of the gate which faces toward the east. 5 The Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the temple... "

Regards Tony

The Key to understanding this verse is that the Gate is the translation of the Bab and the Glory of God is the translation of Baha'u'llah.

Thus Baha'u'llah came by the way of the Bab and that was to the East, in Persia. From Persia other prophecies were fulfilled so the Baha'u'llah came to Mt Carmel, that would also witness the Glory of God. Also Elijah always comes first.

Regards Tony
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
It is telling us where and the way Christ will come at the end of ages and what name we will know Christ as.



The Key to understanding this verse is that the Gate is the translation of the Bab and the Glory of God is the translation of Baha'u'llah.

Thus Baha'u'llah came by the way of the Bab and that was to the East, in Persia. From Persia other prophecies were fulfilled so the Baha'u'llah came to Mt Carmel, that would also witness the Glory of God. Also Elijah always comes first.

Regards Tony

Well Tony, you are entitled to believe whatever you wish, even though it is so far removed from the truth as revealed in the Holy Scriptures as 'The Bab' is removed from Christ our savior.

Look at the thickness of the walls of the temple from which the Lord will rule the whole world with Justice, after he defeats the surrounding nations who would drive his chosen children into the sea, by confusing them and causing them to turn their weapons of destruction on their own allies, whose eyes, tongues and soft tissue will melt in their sockets, and their flesh will slide from their bones while they are still standing. See Zechariah 14: 12-15.

The Dazzling Light in the centre of the temple, the water from the Dead Sea that passes through the temple coming out as clear fresh water, free of the heavy metal content in the Dead sea, the cotton clothing of the attendants of the Lord, which contaminated clothing must be removed before going out among the people, in order that the people will not become sick, by means of that clothing, etc, etc.

If not for the intervention of the Lord in those coming days, no flesh would survive. I don't know if praying to the God of your prophet will save you. but, who knows.
 
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ecco

Veteran Member
That is also why the Message of Baha'u'llah went to America nice and early as well. The issues now facing America were given a solution in the late 1800's.

Specifically what issues are you referring to?
Specifically what solutions for those issues were given and how were they given?
It is great you asked the question, that shows you have a concern that you too see unfolding. Without going into great detail, of how the warnings unfolded, the two most obvouus are;

Race relations, and
Disarmament, except for law.

The consequence of not following what was offered was this;

".... No less serious is the stress and strain imposed on the fabric of American society through the fundamental and persistent neglect, by the governed and governors alike, of the supreme, the inescapable and urgent duty—so repeatedly and graphically represented and stressed by ‘Abdu’l-Bahá in His arraignment of the basic weaknesses in the social fabric of the nation—of remedying, while there is yet time, through a revolutionary change in the concept and attitude of the average white American toward his Negro fellow citizen, a situation which, if allowed to drift, will, in the words of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, cause the streets of American cities to run with blood, aggravating thereby the havoc which the fearful weapons of destruction, raining from the air, and amassed by a ruthless, a vigilant, a powerful and inveterate enemy, will wreak upon those same cities.

Thus you can see the warning is also expanded to include that America will yet face another conflict.

I wonder, if the race relations had been addressed, that the other warning may not unfold. I hear people in America, on the news we get, crying out that the Fabric of America is under great danger.

Regards Tony
You did show two issues.

You did not show any solutions by Baha'u'llah. Instead you posted some concerns voiced by a ‘Abdu’l-Bahá.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Both literal and figurative scriptures are true. (Ps.119:160)
What does figuratively true mean?

I know what "true" means.
I know what "literally true" means.
Here's what Google has to say about figuratively true:
Figuratively is more imaginative, it's used when you mean something didn't really happen. It's metaphorical...

IOW Not really true.

The trouble comes in when one interprets a literal passage to be figurative. (or the other way around)
Hence my question - Who decides.

More to the point it is church creed books which are the reason for so many different churches (divison).

Weren't the various and sundry creed books created because of the differing interpretations.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Lord will rule the whole world with Justice, after he defeats the surrounding nations who would drive his chosen children into the sea, by confusing them and causing them to turn their weapons of destruction on their own allies, whose eyes, tongues and soft tissue will melt in their sockets, and their flesh will slide from their bones while they are still standing.

Is it really necessary for your omnipotent God to confuse His enemies and cause them to turn their horrible weapons on each other?

Is it really necessary to make eyes, tongues and soft tissue melt in their sockets, and have their flesh slide from their bones while they are still standing?

Can't your omnipotent God just zap all the bad people into oblivion?

Or is your God just a sadistic entity who enjoys seeing eyes melt in their sockets?
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
Is it really necessary for your omnipotent God to confuse His enemies and cause them to turn their horrible weapons on each other?

Is it really necessary to make eyes, tongues and soft tissue melt in their sockets, and have their flesh slide from their bones while they are still standing?

Can't your omnipotent God just zap all the bad people into oblivion?

Or is your God just a sadistic entity who enjoys seeing eyes melt in their sockets?

Ask the Lord God our savior, who intervenes in that war to end all wars, for if not, then no flesh at all would survive.

ecco wrote....... Can't your omnipotent God just zap all the bad people into oblivion?

Yes he can and he does, after the great Sabbath when the heavenly fire as prophesied by Zephaniah, has incinerated all physical life forms on this planet, when according to Matthew 25: 31; The Son of Man. separates the righteous spirits (The Sheep on his right) from the unrighteous spirits (The Goat on his left). Those on his right receive heavenly bodies and are given Life everlasting, those on his left are cast into the eternal fire where those wicked minds=spirits are removed from the immortal soul, just as a mosquito is zapped into total oblivion when it flies into a bug zapper. No more pain, no more suffering, just eternal oblivion.

The first death is that of the body, the second death is that of the mind/spirit.

Revelation 21: 8; But cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, those who practise magic, those who worship idols, and all liars — the place for them is the lake burning with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Matthew 25: 41; “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels! I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink; I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.’

Zephaniah 1: 2-3; The LORD said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth, all human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy the whole human race, and no survivors will be left. I, the LORD, have spoken.

Verse 18; On the day when the LORD shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end — a sudden end — to everyone who lives on earth.
 
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ecco

Veteran Member
Ask the Lord God our savior, who intervenes in that war to end all wars, for if not, then no flesh at all would survive.

ecco wrote....... Can't your omnipotent God just zap all the bad people into oblivion?

Yes he can and he does, after the great Sabbath when the heavenly fire as prophesied by Zephaniah, has incinerated all physical life forms on this planet, when according to Matthew 25: 31; The Son of Man. separates the righteous spirits (The Sheep on his right) from the unrighteous spirits (The Goat on his left). Those on his right receive heavenly bodies and are given Life everlasting, those on his left are cast into the eternal fire where those wicked minds=spirits are removed from the immortal soul, just as a mosquito is zapped into total oblivion when it flies into a bug zapper. No more pain, no more suffering, just eternal oblivion.

The first death is that of the body, the second death is that of the mind/spirit.

Revelation 21: 8; But cowards, traitors, perverts, murderers, the immoral, those who practise magic, those who worship idols, and all liars — the place for them is the lake burning with fire and sulphur, which is the second death.”

Matthew 25: 41; “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Away from me, you that are under God's curse! Away to the eternal fire which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels! I was hungry but you would not feed me, thirsty but you would not give me a drink; I was a stranger but you would not welcome me in your homes, naked but you would not clothe me; I was sick and in prison but you would not take care of me.’

Zephaniah 1: 2-3; The LORD said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth, all human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy the whole human race, and no survivors will be left. I, the LORD, have spoken.

Verse 18; On the day when the LORD shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end — a sudden end — to everyone who lives on earth.
How sad to hold such beliefs.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
It is telling us where and the way Christ will come at the end of ages and what name we will know Christ as.



The Key to understanding this verse is that the Gate is the translation of the Bab and the Glory of God is the translation of Baha'u'llah.

Thus Baha'u'llah came by the way of the Bab and that was to the East, in Persia. From Persia other prophecies were fulfilled so the Baha'u'llah came to Mt Carmel, that would also witness the Glory of God. Also Elijah always comes first.

Regards Tony
Can you show me all that in the bible?

Or do you need another book?

Deut. 4:2 / 1Cor.4:6
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Can you show me all that in the bible?

Or do you need another book?

Deut. 4:2 / 1Cor.4:6

It can all be seen in the Bible, using naught but Bible Passages, but it does require a knowledge of the Spirit of Truth, that Jesus said would guide us unto all truth.

I can then rightly ask, can you show Jesus the Christ in the Tanakh without using the New Testament Message, or would you need to have accepted Jesus Message to see and show?

Or another challenge about adding to the words in the Bible, can you show a Trinity in the Bible, without using men's explanations, that are additional to the Biblical text?

Regards Tony
 

The Anointed

Well-Known Member
It can all be seen in the Bible, using naught but Bible Passages, but it does require a knowledge of the Spirit of Truth, that Jesus said would guide us unto all truth.

I can then rightly ask, can you show Jesus the Christ in the Tanakh without using the New Testament Message, or would you need to have accepted Jesus Message to see and show?

Or another challenge about adding to the words in the Bible, can you show a Trinity in the Bible, without using men's explanations, that are additional to the Biblical text?

Regards Tony

Here you are Tony, just a few of many from the Tanakh, that refer to the Christ of the New Testament.

Psalms 2: 7-9; “I will announce,” says the king, “what the LORD has declared. He said to me: ‘YOU ARE MY SON TODAY I HAVE BECOME YOU FATHER. 8Ask, and I will give you all the nations; THE WHOLE EARTH WILL BE YOURS. 9 You will break them with an iron rod; you will shatter them in pieces like a clay pot.’ ”

Hebrews 5: 5; In the same way, Christ did not take upon himself the honour of being a High Priest, instead God said to him; "You are my son, TODAY I have become your Father."

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God our savior) has fixed a day in which he will judge the 'WHOLE WORLD' with Justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. he has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.


Psalms 8: 4-6; "What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the 'SON OF MAN', that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

See Hebrews 1: 4-6; The Son was made greater than the angels, just as the name that God gave him is greater than theirs. For God never said to any of his angels: “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”
Nor did God say about any angel, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.” But when God was about to send his firstborn Son into the world, he said: “All God's angels must worship him.”

Psalms 16: 9-10; And so I am thankful and glad, and I feel completely secure, 10 because you protect me from the power of death. I have served you faithfully, and you will not abandon me to the world of the dead.

Acts 2: 29-34; “My fellow-Israelites, I must speak to you plainly about our famous ancestor King David. He died and was buried, and his grave is here with us to this very day. 30He was a prophet, and he knew what God had promised him: God had made a vow that he would make one of David's descendants a king, just as David was. 31David saw what God was going to do in the future, and so he spoke about the resurrection of the Messiah when he said: ‘He was not abandoned in the world of the dead; his body did not rot in the grave.’ 32 God has raised this very Jesus from death, and we are all witnesses to this fact. He has been raised to the right-hand side of God, his Father, and has received from him the Holy Spirit, as he had promised. What you now see and hear is his gift that he has poured out on us. For it was not David who went up into heaven, etc.

Psalms 22: 1; "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me,"

Matthew 27: 45-46; At noon the whole country was covered with darkness, which lasted for three hours. At about three o'clock Jesus cried out with a loud shout, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why did you abandon me?”

Psalms 22: 18; "They gamble for my clothes and divide them among themselves.

Mark 15: 24; Then they crucified him and divided his clothes among themselves, throwing dice to see who would get which piece of clothing.

Catch ya later Tony.
 
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Mitty

Active Member
Here you are Tony, just a few of many from the Tanakh, that refer to the Christ of the New Testament.

Psalms 2: 7-9; “I will announce,” says the king, “what the LORD has declared. He said to me: ‘YOU ARE MY SON TODAY I HAVE BECOME YOU FATHER. 8Ask, and I will give you all the nations; THE WHOLE EARTH WILL BE YOURS. 9 You will break them with an iron rod; you will shatter them in pieces like a clay pot.’ ”
In other words Psalm 2:7-9 says that David was his god's begotten son, given that David was a king and that it is written in the first person and in the past and present tense.
 
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The Anointed

Well-Known Member
How sad to hold such beliefs.

Do you want to live in a world where only the righteous are allowed to enter? Where every one cares for their neighbor, and would never think of doing something to you, that they would not want done to themselves?
 
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