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Who was the "Us" at Gen 1:26?

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
IndigoChild5559 said : It is a longstanding tradition, according to this verse, that these angelic beings assisted God in the creation." (post #138)

Hi @IndigoChild5559

While I am somewhat familiar with this base claim, Can you give us your actual data underlying your theory that angels assisted God in creation of this world? I have a few questions regarding this tradition.

thanks

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I'm not the person to talk to about this. I just have a basic knowledge. Judaism teaches that the LORD has a heavenly court. It is this heavenly court that God is addressing in Genesis 1. Thus we can conclude from this verse that these heavenly beings assisted.
 

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Hi @IndigoChild5559

I assumed that, since you made the claim regarding the tradition of councils of Angels assisting in the creation, you had some data upon which you based the claim. While it is well known historically that the early Judeo-Christians believed that Angels existed prior to creation of the earth (as well as the Messiah who created the earth), I had questions as to the version of the tradition you referred to.

For example, the Jewish Talmudic tradition is that 987 earths were created prior to this one.
I wanted to explore regarding the role of angels in creation of these many other worlds according to the specific tradition you are referring to.
I am interested in any early literature that better illuminates the specific tasks performed by the spirits of mankind and angels in the early Creation literature.

For example, In early Judeo-Christian tradition, it is the Messiah (Jesus in Christian tradition) who creates the earth, and he does so under the authority of his Father who delegates tasks. The Messiah then further delegates certain tasks to the spirits of mankind and angels that are in pre-creation heaven. Literature that better illuminates the various roles played by the various heavenly beings would help clarify early Judeo-Christianity and their beliefs.

In early Judeo-Christian Religion, there are various beings that are called by different names with God in heaven. For example, in the New Testament literature, when Jesus goes into heaven he is “on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. 1 Pet 3:22

While the Judeo-Christian literature describes heavenly councils, all plans and authority take place under God the Fathers direction and all authority centers in him as he delegates to others that which he directs them to do. “Surely He is the utterly divine over all the exalted princes, King of kings over all the eternal councils. By the wise will–through the words of His mouth – shall come into being all the exalted godlike; at the utterance of His lips all the eternal spirits shall exist.” 4Q403 Frag. 1 Col 1. p 371;

Speaking of the King of Righteousness, the early Jewish documents speak of the Songs of David and it’s meaning that “A godlike being has taken his place in the council of God; in the midst of the divine beings he holds judgment” (ps 82:1)” where at least one of the purposes of this position is to “judge the peoples”. However not all of the council judge correctly and the head of the council berates some of it’s members for not judging justly, and the DDS refer to their interpretation of Ps. 82:2 saying “Concerning what scripture says, “How long will you (plural) judge unjustly, and show partiality to the wicked?...”, 11Q13 Col 2 p 456;


1) WHICH HEAVENLY COUNCIL?

a) ANGELS AND “THE HOLY ONES” WHO SERVE IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD

The early literature delineates different types of beings that are present in the pre-creation heaven. While literature says "angels" and "the hosts” of heaven, more literature may further clarify who was there and what purpose they served during creation.

For example, when Cave of Treasures mentions “the angels and the hosts of heaven…” the main division of beings is into “angels” and “the hosts”. Other literature has this binary division. For example, In Abrahams vision, he saw in the seventh heaven (firmament) “a multitude of angels and a host of the unseen glory…” Apocalypse of Abraham 19: 1-5

In the early Judeo-Christian traditions the blessing is given to the sons of Levi to ultimately serve in the sanctuary as God. “May he draw you and your seed near to him from all flesh to serve in his sanctuary as the angels of the presence and the holy ones.” Jubilees 31:13-15


b) The angels that surround God in the pre-creation heaven.

It is not merely a multitude of angels surrounding the “House” of God, but “countless angels–a hundred thousand times an hundred thousand, ten million times ten million–encircling that house. Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, Phanuel, and numerous (other) holy angels that are in heaven above, go in and out of that house—” In such literature where God is described as having a head that “is white and pure like wool and his garment is indescribable…”, he is surrounded by “angels that are countless.” 1st Enoch 71:8,10,13;

While the angels are described in their various orders to perform organized and specific duties, there is little data regarding what purpose they served in actual activities associated with the creation of worlds. For example, Testament of Abraham describes “The heavenly powers what they are like and how each of their orders is occupied in the service and the plan of this world.”

“The lowest order is the angels. And the plan has been revealed to it by God concerning every human being whom they watch over,,, 2 “The second order is the archangels. This is the service: directing everything in this creation according to the plan of God, whether powers or animals, birds, or creeping things, or fish…3 The third order, which is the Archons...and this (order) makes all the variations in the atmosphere,.... 4 The fourth order, which is authorities. This is its service: the administration of the lights, of the sun and the moon and the stars. 5 The fifth order, which is the powers. This is its service: they keep the demons from destroying the creation of god … ...6 The sixth order, which is the dominions. This is its service: they rule over kingdoms and in their hands are victory and defeat in battle.... Testament of Adam 4:1-6;

In such early descriptions, I do not see literature which described in any detail, the role of such councils of angels in the actual process of creation; that is, in the construction of the material worlds such as the stars or the earth.

While the literature is specific that there are different types of messengers (angels) and multiple councils, it is difficult to tell with specificity what the purpose of multiple councils are. “In the congregation of all the wise godlike beings, and in the councils of all the divine spirits, He has engraven his precepts to govern all spiritual works and his glorious laws for all the wise divine beings, that sage congregation honored by God, those who draw near to knowledge.””…Precept by precept they shall grow strong, to be seven eternal councils; for He established them for Himself to be the most holy of those who minister in the Holy of Holies. [...] They shall become mighty thereby in accordance with the council… 4Q400 Frag. 1 Col. 1

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2 MANKINDS ROLE IN THE HEAVENLY COUNCILS

When the early Judeo-Christian literature describes the role of mankind in such councils, it doesn’t describe their role in the actual process of creation either past worlds or of future worlds.

Mankind to serve on heavenly councils


The nature of the council in Jewish DSS literature describes it to include mankind, as it describes God including the righteous among mankind as destined for this council : “Corresponding to the compassion of God, according to His goodness, and the wonder of his Glory, He brings some of the sons of the world near, to be reckoned with him in the council of the gods as a holy congregation, stationed for eternal life and in the lot with His holy ones… 4Q181 Frag. 1

In fact, the great priestly blessing of 1Q DSS, is that a man may ultimately abide forever as an angel of the Presence in the Holy habitation to the glory of the God of hosts. May you serve in the temple of the kingdom of God, ordering destiny with the angels of the presence, a society of the yachad with the holy ones forever, for all the ages of eternity” 1Q28b, 1QSb Col. 4

The concept of the righteous among mankind that live the Gospel/Torah becoming part of a heavenly council in the future is woven into the early texts. Thus the text says ““For your glory’s sake You have cleansed man from transgression,…so as to be joined wi[th] the children of Your truth; in the lot with Your saints. That bodies, covered with worms of the dead, might rise up from the dust to an eternal council; from a perverse spirit to your understanding. That he might take his position before you with the eternal hosts and spirits of truth…” THANKSGIVING PSALMS - Frags. 10, 34, 42+ 4Q427 Frag. 3 Col. 19:10-14 p 107;

The texts indicate that The councils of mankind who have obeyed the Gospel/Torah will be greater than that of the councils consisting of angels. In this context, the early Judeo-Christian literature speaks of those who, if they obey Torah, will see “…that world which is now invisible to them, and they will see a time which is now hidden to them. And time will no longer make them older. For they will live in the heights of that world and they will be like the angels and be equal to the stars. ...12..And the excellence of the righteous will then be greater than that of the angels. The apocalypse of Baruch (Baruch 2) 51:7-13;

The description of these heaven-bound people was such that “The inhabitants of that place were clad with the shining raiment of angels and their raiment was suitable to their place of habitation. Angels walked there amongst them...” The apocalypse of Peter AKHMIM P 536

The Thanksgiving psalms confirms the situation of those who become like God, (God-like) as they are cleaned from all their transgressions and thus able to serve on an eternal council. Thus the text reads “I give thanks to You, O Lord, for You have redeemed my soul from the pit. From Sheol and Abbadon You have raised me up to an eternal height, so that I might walk about on a limitless plain, and know that there is hope for him whom you created from the dust for the eternal council. The perverse spirit You have cleansed from great transgression, that he might take his stand with the host of the holy ones, and enter together with the congregation of the sons of heaven. And for man, you have allotted an eternal destiny with the spirits of knowledge...” 1QH + 4Q432 Frag. 3 Col. 11:19-23


In somewhat more symbolic language, the end result of obedience to Torah/Gospel in Parthian symbology is an acceptance to the council as represented by the putting on of a diadem or crown. For example, in one Parthian Hymn, the person living the Gospel/Torah is promised “You shall put on a radiant garment, and gird on light; and I shall set on your head the diadem of sovereignty.” And, speaking of the Messiah and those who are welcomed into the kingdom it was said that “A palace is the dominion of the primeval first-born for in it, the first man, he clothes himself in gladness and binds on the diadem of sovereignty. Upon all his friends he binds the diadem and clothes their bodies in the garment of gladness. And all the believers and the pious elect he clothes in praise, and binds on them the diadem.” As part of the council They reign now in gladness, even as once they had been fettered for their mere name, and had undergone anguish at the hands of their foes.” And they are welcomed into the presence of the Father : “ That is the day when he will reveal his form, the beneficent Father, the Lord of the Aeons of Light. He will show his radiant shape and brilliant, glorious form to all the Gods who shall dwell there. Canto VI c Huvidagman FROM THE PARTHIAN HYMN-CYCLES


If you ever come across any of the very early sacred literature that actually does describe angels assisting with actual creation as the Messiah did (to whom God says at the beginning that the man has become as one of "us" in early Christian literature), I would very much like to examine that literature.

Thanks so much.

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IndigoChild5559

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Hi. Your two page essay is too long for me to respond to at this time. I will probably get to it after Shabbat.

I only wanted to say one thing, and that is that there is no such religion as "Judeo-Christian." There is Judaism and there is Christianity. It would help if you would keep your respective sources separate, designating Jewish sources as Jewish, etc.
 

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Hi @IndigoChild5559

IndigoChild said : “I only wanted to say one thing, and that is that there is no such religion as "Judeo-Christian." There is Judaism and there is Christianity. It would help if you would keep your respective sources separate, designating Jewish sources as Jewish, etc.” (Post #144)


You are confused. Historians use the term often to refer to doctrines and literature and traditions, etc. that are shared between Judaism and Christianity. In early useage, "Judeo-Christian" referred to Jews that had converted to Christianity, but the term has much broader usage nowadays, especially among religious historians.

You do not seem to have much historical background in ancient historical Judeo-Christianity else I expected you would have been able to offer at least a bit of background in the tradition you claimed existed. If this is true then such terms as "Judeo-Christian" may be foreign to you. Still, the term Judeo-Christian is not merely appropriate, but it reflects an accurate model depicting vast areas of historic parallels and agreements between ancient Judaism and Ancient Christianity.

“Judeo-Christian” is an accurate descriptive term that describes common elements such as shared literature. For example, the Old Testament is part of the Judaism that believed on the Messiah Jesus and became subsequently known as Christianity. Thus, the Old Testament is, “Judeo-Christian” literature. The shared traditions of early Judaism and early Christianity are “Judeo-Christian” traditions. If one adds the traditions of ancient Islam that parallel and are shared by ancient Judaism and by ancient Christianity, then these are “Judeo-Christian-Islamic” traditions.



CHRISTIANITY AS A TYPE OF JUDAISM.
Jesus was Jewish, the original apostles and converts were Jewish. Jesus, as a Jew, did not see himself as leaving Judaism, but as coming to restore and repair it’s base truths. The Messiah Jesus’ revelations to the Jews were not intended to change authentic Torah, but to help the Jews to see the difference between the man-made traditions which had become accretions to authentic Torah and had, to a large extent supplanted and superceded Torah and taken priority over authentic Jewish religion.

Similarly, In accepting the Messiah Jesus, the ancient Apostles and ancient Jewish converts did not see themselves as leaving Judaism, but in abandoning those parts of Judaism that were man-made traditions and they saw themselves as returning to authentic Torah and gospel principles. They were Judeo-Christians. Jews who lived authentic Torah, absent the man made traditions and doctrines that had evolved away from original Torah / Gospel.

In any case, as you become interested in and read about early Judeo-Christian literature and Judeo-Christian religion and Judeo-Christian traditions etc, you may become more familiar with the term and more comfortable with it's usage.

I hope your spiritual journey is good and your insights wonderful @IndigoChild5559

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Mitty

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Maybe it is proof that it is more than one God out there? But that Christians should only follow the one who is spoken of in the bible?
Deut 10:17 says there are many gods and Exodus 20:1-3 describes the hierarchy of those gods.

And Gen 1:25-26 says that only a male person was created in the image and likeness of the male creator god, so presumably a female person was created in the image and likeness of one of the goddesses at the meeting.

Either way we all start off as female in-utero, and males are just modified females.
 
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Faithofchristian

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Deut 10:17 says there are many gods and Exodus 20:1-3 describes the hierarchy of those gods.

And Gen 1:25-26 says that only a male person was created in the image and likeness of the male creator god, so presumably a female person was created in the image and likeness of one of the goddesses at the meeting.

Either way we all start off as female in-utero, and males are just modified females.

As for Genesis 1:25-26,
God said let us make man in our image after our likeness"
The man here is plural meaning
Mankind..

For example,....

Singular ---- Plural
child ----------- children
tooth -- ----------teeth
foot --------------- feet
person ----------- people
Man --------------- Mankind
 

Mitty

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As for Genesis 1:25-26, God said let us make man in our image after our likeness" The man here is plural meaning Mankind..
For example,....
Singular ---- Plural
child ----------- children
tooth -- ----------teeth
foot --------------- feet
person ----------- people
Man --------------- Mankind
Wrong. The plural of the word "man" is "men", not mankind or womankind. And the words "he" and "him" are singular not plural and are not synonyms for the words "she" and "her". And the words "us" and "our" are plural and not synonyms for the words "his" or "he".

The fantasy story in Gen 1:26-27 says that a number of gods discussed creating only a male person (ie "him") in the image and likeness of the male creator god, and presumably creating a female person in the image and likeness of a goddess. Which is why the bible says that male persons belong to the mankind whereas female persons belong to the womankind (Leviticus 18:22), in the same way that whales belong to the whalekind and cattle belong to the cattlekind (Gen 1:21-25), and why the bible says that women are subservient to men.

Genesis 1:26-27 King James Version (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;
male and female created he them.

Humans, however, evolved from the same common ancestor as chimps, which is why we share over 97% of our DNA with chimps, including the same dysfunctional gene for Vitamin C synthesis.



 
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Faithofchristian

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Wrong. The plural of the word "man" is "men", not mankind or womankind. And the words "he" and "him" are singular not plural and are not synonyms for the words "she" and "her". And the words "us" and "our" are plural and not synonyms for the words "his" or "he".

The fantasy story in Gen 1:26-27 says that a number of gods discussed creating only a male person (ie "him") in the image and likeness of the male creator god, and presumably creating a female person in the image and likeness of a goddess. Which is why the bible says that male persons belong to the mankind whereas female persons belong to the womankind (Leviticus 18:22), in the same way that whales belong to the whalekind and cattle belong to the cattlekind (Gen 1:21-25), and why the bible says that women are subservient to men.

Genesis 1:26-27 King James Version (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;
male and female created he them.

Humans, however, evolved from the same common ancestor as chimps, which is why we share over 97% of our DNA with chimps, including the same dysfunctional gene for Vitamin C synthesis.




You, yourself Stand in correction..

God created male and female..
had you read Verse 27 of Genesis 1:26-27.
26--"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Therefore God created male and female..
 

Mitty

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You, yourself Stand in correction..
God created male and female. had you read Verse 27 of Genesis 1:26-27.
26--"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;

male and female created he them. Therefore God created male and female..
In other words the fantasy story in Gen 1 says that the male creator god only created "him" (ie the man-kind) in his image and likeness, and clearly doesn't say that the male creator god created "her" (ie the woman-kind) in his image and likeness, in the same way that it doesn't say that the male creator god created the whale-kind or cattle-kind in his image and likeness either.

Perhaps you prefer the silly second fantasy creation-story in Gen 2 instead, about a genetically identical person named Adam being cloned from the rib tissue of a person named Adam. Which is presumably why it took them 130 years to work out which was Martha and which was Arthur before they first became pregnant (Gen 5:1-3).

You know it makes sense!!!
 
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Faithofchristian

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In other words the fantasy story in Gen 1 says that the male creator god only created "him" (ie the man-kind) in his image and likeness, and clearly doesn't say that the male creator god created "her" (ie the woman-kind) in his image and likeness, in the same way that it doesn't say that the male creator god created the whale-kind or cattle-kind in his image and likeness either.

Perhaps you prefer the silly second fantasy creation-story in Gen 2 instead, about a genetically identical person named Adam being cloned from the rib tissue of a person named Adam. Which is presumably why it took them 130 years to work out which was Martha and which was Arthur before they first became pregnant (Gen 5:1-3).

You know it makes sense!!!


You call Genesis 1 a fantasy story.
My question to you is if you do not believe
Genesis 1.
Why are you making all the fuss over something that you don't believe in..

Are you in the habit of fussing over things that you don't believe in..
If I don't care or believe in something.
I sure wouldn't be fussing over it.
Where's the common Sense at there.
 

Mitty

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You call Genesis 1 a fantasy story.
My question to you is if you do not believe
Genesis 1.
Why are you making all the fuss over something that you don't believe in..

Are you in the habit of fussing over things that you don't believe in..
If I don't care or believe in something.
I sure wouldn't be fussing over it.
Where's the common Sense at there.
Of course those two creation stories in Gen 1 and Gen 2 are just imaginative fantasies with no more credibility than other creation stories such as the Dreamtime stories, given that the universe, including Earth, is billions of years old and that our aborigines arrived here over 50,000 years before Adam's grandmother was a girl, and that we evolved from the same common ancestor as chimps.

But that doesn't mean that we can't be curious about those myths in the bible and the Dreamtime stories etc, including the gods that the biblical writers created in their images and likenesses.

And afterall this forum is not a pulpit but is for discussing those stories and their credibility, and doesn't change the fact that the story in Gen 1 only says that the male person ("him") was created in the image and likeness of the male creator god after the meeting of a number of gods, but does not say that woman-kind or whale-kind or cattle-kind were also created in the image and likeness of the male creator god.

And why do you personally attack the messenger and not the message?
Where's the common Sense at there?
 
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Faithofchristian

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Of course those two creation stories in Gen 1 and Gen 2 are just imaginative fantasies with no more credibility than other creation stories such as the Dreamtime stories, given that the universe, including Earth, is billions of years old and that our aborigines arrived here over 50,000 years before Adam's grandmother was a girl, and that we evolved from the same common ancestor as chimps.

But that doesn't mean that we can't be curious about those myths in the bible and the Dreamtime stories etc, including the gods that the biblical writers created in their images and likenesses.

And afterall this forum is not a pulpit but is for discussing those stories and their credibility, and doesn't change the fact that the story in Gen 1 only says that the male person ("him") was created in the image and likeness of the male creator god after the meeting of a number of gods, but does not say that woman-kind or whale-kind or cattle-kind were also created in the image and likeness of the male creator god.

And why do you personally attack the messenger and not the message?
Where's the common Sense at there?

So you say there's myths in the Bible..
But can you prove the Bible as being wrong.
Where's your proof at.
Had you read Genesis 1:26-27
You would have found in
Verse 27--"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him, male and female.

God is showing that man was created in his own image and then in verse 27,
God created male and female.

Instead of reading the whole context.you pick and choose what you want just to support your own agenda.
 

Mitty

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So you say there's myths in the Bible..
But can you prove the Bible as being wrong.
I have no reason to believe that the Genesis creation stories aren't just imaginative fantasies, given the unequivocal fact that the universe is billions of years old and that our aborigines arrived here over 50,000 years before Adam's grandmother was a girl
Where's your proof at.
Had you read Genesis 1:26-27
You would have found in
Verse 27--"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him,
In other words the story says that the male person (him) was created in the image and likeness of the male creator god but doesn't say that the male creator god created the woman-kind in his image and likeness too nor the whale-kind or cattle-kind.

If you believe otherwise, where does Gen 1:26-27 that "in the image of God created he her"?
Or are you claiming that the word "him" is a synonym for the word "her"?
 
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Faithofchristian

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In other words the story says that the male person (him) was created in the image and likeness of the male creator god but doesn't say that the male creator god created the woman-kind in his image and likeness too nor the whale-kind and cattle-kind.

If you believe otherwise, where does Gen 1:26-27 that "in the image of God created he her"?

Had you read Gen 1:26. Man is the only one created in the image of God..

Have any clue or idea what a female is?

Let me explain it to you.

A female body is totally different than a male body..
Which is absolutely positively obvious.

God created the male first in his image and likeness...verse 26.

And then in verse 27 God showing that he created both male and female in
verse 27..

Are you sure that don't need reading lessons or glasses.
Because it sure seems your having a hard time reading and seeing what's in front of you.
 

Mitty

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Had you read Gen 1:26. Man is the only one created in the image of God..
Have any clue or idea what a female is?
Let me explain it to you.

A female body is totally different than a male body..
Which is absolutely positively obvious.

God created the male first in his image and likeness...verse 26.
And then in verse 27 God showing that he created both male and female in
verse 27..
"Are you sure that don't need reading lessons or glasses.
Because it sure seems your (sic) having a hard time reading and seeing what's in front of you."
Are you familiar with the English language and it's usage?

In other words Gen 1:27 says that the male creator god (he) created him in his image and likeness.

But Gen 1:27 does not say that he created her in his image and likeness too, and he presumably created her in the image and likeness of a goddess such as Asherah who was Yahweh's wife, since a "female body is totally different than a male body", but personally I would prefer Aphrodite.

A male body, however, is actually a modified female body and a penis being an enlarged clitoris with a plumbing modification, and a scrotum being the fused labia as evidenced by the fusion line, and a prostate is a modified uterus.


You know it makes sense!!!
 
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Faithofchristian

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"Are you sure that don't need reading lessons or glasses.
Because it sure seems your (sic) having a hard time reading and seeing what's in front of you."
Are you familiar with the English language and it's usage?

In other words Gen 1:27 says that the male creator god (he) created him in his image and likeness.

But Gen 1:27 does not say that he created her in his image and likeness too, and he presumably created her in the image and likeness of a goddess such as Asherah who was Yahweh's wife, since a "female body is totally different than a male body", but personally I would prefer Aphrodite.

A male body, however, is actually a modified female body and a penis being an enlarged clitoris with a plumbing modification, and a scrotum being the fused labia as evidenced by the fusion line, and a prostate is a modified uterus.


You know it makes sense!!!


Had you read and skip over what I said..
You would have seen what I said..

In Genesis 1:26.God created man in his image.
Then in Genesis 1:27..God purpose of creating female so that the male and female could reproduce children..
So whats so complicated about that.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Fill in the blanks of a story that is incomplete in its exposition.

And that's how denominations arise.
 

Mitty

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Had you read and skip over what I said You would have seen what I said.In Genesis 1:26 God created man in his image Then in Genesis 1:27 God purpose of creating female so that the male and female could reproduce children So whats so complicated about that.
Have you ever actually read that story, since none of that changes the fact that the story in Gen 1:26-27 only says that the male creator god created HIM in HIS image and likeness, but does not say that the male creator god also created HER in HIS image and likeness, nor cattle-kind or whale-kind. So presumably the male creator god created HER in the image and likeness of one of the goddesses at the fantasy meeting of gods described in Gen 1:26.

And it's your choice if you want to believe that the creator god created cattle-kind and whale-kind and unicorns in his image and likeness. and that it took Adam and his genetically identical partner also named Adam 130 years to first become pregnant since they couldn't work out who was Arthur and who was Martha (Gen 5:1-3). But I stopped believing in Santa and fantasies over 65 years ago, and believe that we evolved from a common ancestor with chimps.

You know it makes sense!!!
creation sistine chapel - Bing video
 
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