While I don't disagree with you, I know quite a few BLM supporters that have been pushing for these cops to be dealt with just as much as the cop who knelt on floyd. The media (and POTUS) have made this more partisan than it actually is.
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Is Police racism being mischaracterized?
- Thread starter wellwisher
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While I don't disagree with you, I know quite a few BLM supporters that have been pushing for these cops to be dealt with just as much as the cop who knelt on floyd. The media (and POTUS) have made this more partisan than it actually is.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
I think that if someone points a gun or knife at the police, they do not stop to see what race the person is. Then only shoot people of a certain race. Best advice, don't point a gun or knife or even pretend to point one at police.
I stopped reading the OP after I was insulted as being part of the left and thus by this statement ignorant of math and science. WRONG. The right ignores math and science to push lies and fantasy and the trump cult.
And @Revoltingest , it's a logical fallacy to use one counter-example.
The stats I found are a few years old but BLM is about lack of equal treatment.
Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.
Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement: Findings From the National Violent Death Reporting System, 17 U.S. States, 2009–2012
The stats I found are a few years old but BLM is about lack of equal treatment.
Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.
Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement: Findings From the National Violent Death Reporting System, 17 U.S. States, 2009–2012
QuestioningMind
Well-Known Member
Yes, it's very clearly being miss-characterized by you in this post. No one has claimed that the police are 'driven purely by racism'. Only that there is a distinct racist culture within the vast majority of police forces. Study a bit of history. The United States has always been far more fearful of the black man than it has been of the black woman... that's because we also live within a misogynistic culture in which women in general aren't taken nearly as seriously as men.
And where do you get your information concerning how 'progressives' are trying to portray men? How did you reach to moronic conclusion that progressives pointing out that there are SOME men who are brutes, rapists, and Neanderthals means that they are claiming ALL men are brutes, rapists, and Neanderthals? IF for some reason you feel as if they're calling YOU a brute, a rapist and a Neanderthal, then maybe that has more to do with your inappropriate behavior than any claims they are making. I'm a male and since I'm not a brute, a rapist or a Neanderthal, I'm not in the least bit offended that progressives are calling out the males who ARE brutes, rapists and Neanderthals. Why are YOU so offended by it?
Yes...lying there on the ground....no visible weapon.
Even if he'd secreted one, he wouldn't have been able to
produce it before the cop with his finger on the trigger could've
fired several rounds.
And his rifle (likely .222 or 5.56 NATO) would be far more
powerful. Add to this the cop wearing body armor, & had
an accomplice.
So no....no credible threat that justified not taking the option
of preserving his life. Too eager & too quick to kill.
Again, consider the slogans he had on his rifle, especially...
YOU'RE FU**ED.
This cop was a hunter. Shaver was his prey.
(Asterisks covering the real letters to suit RF rules.)
What you & what I expect from cops is different. I say
they should care far more for serving us, than taking
all possible measures to protect themselves from any
possible threat, no matter how relatively small.
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You seem to been quite unaware of the well-documented fact that the entire criminal justice system here in the States rather strongly goes against people of color in comparison to whites.
I recognize the diversity in BLM.
Many fine people there.
And the terrible coverage by the media, & handling by Trump.
Many people not so fine.
Did you know that there are many many more?
You & I have been thru this before, ie, your believing that
only black folk are subject to such wrongs, eg, handcuffing
children for misbehavior at school. So I gave you a counter
example. Cops can mistreat a kid of any race.
We've been thru this before. Your logical fallacy is conflating
probability with total numbers. I addressed the latter.
I've posted that blacks are more likely to endure this treatment
by cops, yet it happens to more white guys. So you're arguing
a point that I've made, pretending that I didn't.
The point here is that white folk should be concerned about their
own treatment too. Or do you disagree that there's a problem
larger than racism among cops?
It would be a massive failure of public policy if policing were
reformed such that black folk experience treatment by cops
& courts identical to what whites currently endure.
You posted a single, misleading example.
Total numbers are not the point. There are more white than black in the USA. The disproportionate numbers of blacks who are killed by cops not to mention the number of times blacks are asked to prove they live in houses they live in, are followed by cops and other for doing nothing more than walking on a street near where they live etc.
You refuse to see the racism that is staring you in the face.
It is what it is.
Misleading?
Do you believe that Shaver's killing was proper?
It is one of many examples of white guys being
unjustly killed by cops.
That is a misrepresentation of what I've been posting.
Cops' racism against blacks exists. It would be intentionally
misleading for anyone to say I believe or argue otherwise.
I'm addressing the larger issue of overall police violence.
You've been deflecting from that in an attempt to make it
only about blacks. This is not only divisive, it interferes
with alerting people to problems in dire need of solution.
It should greatly concern people of all races & genders.
And while that is true, you seem to be unaware that it is
regularly unfair to other races also, especially the poor.
We need general reform...something more than just
eliminating racial disparity.
I fully expect people who start their altercation with police drunk and aiming a rifle out a window to have short life expectancy.
Bad things are going to happen. It's the job of the cops to steer the bad stuff towards the perps.
Tom
That doesn't address what happened in that hallway though.
I prefer that cops think more about defusing situations in order
to avoid killing people. Shooting shouldn't be their default.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
If we compare male and female crime, women tend to commit less violent crime. Most of their crime is shoplifting, writing bad checks and welfare fraud. The only crime where women exceed men is prostitution.
Women also tend to commit crime more as loners, compared to men. Men are more likely to be organized into gangs or crime organizations; drug trafficking, car theft, robbery and pawn shops, protection rackets, etc. Women are also more likely to have compassion for their victims and tend to rehab easier, with lower rates of repeat offenders.
The crime statistics are not an artifact of sexism, even if it looks that way to liberals. It is really an artifact of looking at all crime data, comparing the degree of violation for various demographics and then putting the limited police resources to use, where the most innocent people can be protected and served. The crime ridden inner cities have the most organized male predators and this is where the most resources go.
Therefore targeting White, Black and Latino males allows the police the most efficient use of limited resources to protect and serve. One size fits all is liberal arts and not science. This result is not sexist, even of it looks that way, but best practice in terms of the most bang for the limited buck in light of the need to protect the innocent.
This is an election year and each election year the Democrat try to lock in the black vote by blaming the other side for the crime problems in Democrat controlled cities. This is usually effective and they will get 90% of the black vote, simply by playing the other guy is racist card. This year there is a different dynamics and the added media driven violence is a desparate attempt to make the game work one last time.
Women also tend to commit crime more as loners, compared to men. Men are more likely to be organized into gangs or crime organizations; drug trafficking, car theft, robbery and pawn shops, protection rackets, etc. Women are also more likely to have compassion for their victims and tend to rehab easier, with lower rates of repeat offenders.
The crime statistics are not an artifact of sexism, even if it looks that way to liberals. It is really an artifact of looking at all crime data, comparing the degree of violation for various demographics and then putting the limited police resources to use, where the most innocent people can be protected and served. The crime ridden inner cities have the most organized male predators and this is where the most resources go.
Therefore targeting White, Black and Latino males allows the police the most efficient use of limited resources to protect and serve. One size fits all is liberal arts and not science. This result is not sexist, even of it looks that way, but best practice in terms of the most bang for the limited buck in light of the need to protect the innocent.
This is an election year and each election year the Democrat try to lock in the black vote by blaming the other side for the crime problems in Democrat controlled cities. This is usually effective and they will get 90% of the black vote, simply by playing the other guy is racist card. This year there is a different dynamics and the added media driven violence is a desparate attempt to make the game work one last time.
I still believe that incident was mostly a suicide by cop. As well as most of the incidents that get judged wrongful police killings by the Court of Social Media.
Tom
Some are executions, some are accidents, & yes,
some are suicide. We disagree about this one.
When a cop's rifle specifically tells you in large print
that you're fu*ked, & (for God) to come & take them,
this belies an aggressive intent to kill. He wants it.
A cop's duty should not include assisted suicide.
I know one guy who enlisted in the marines because
he wanted to kill commies. He's a hunter, & wanted
that particular prey. He's very proud of having bagged
a Chinese soldier in the Vietnam war...a rare trophy.
Such people are good for sending out to kill the enemy.
But it's the wrong attitude for a cop. Civilians should
not be perceived as "the enemy".
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I agree.
But as long as U.S. society remains drug addled and gun ridden and drenched in the culture of victimhood and entitlement suicide by cop will still happen.
Especially in the current climate where the cops are assumed to be vicious killers just looking for some innocent black guy to kill for sport.
Tom
If someone wants to die, I say that is their right.
Available & legal assisted suicide is the best option.
Too many assumptions are made....
- Cops are heroes.
- Cops are violent racists.
- BLM is noble & right.
- BLM is a bunch of thugs.
They're all individuals.
Hey, let's see what happens after the next sentence in quotes.
(Last time, I was excoriated as a Trump apologist by some fulminating fools.)
"There are good people on both sides."
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
There are way, way more "white guys" living in the US than Black men. Here is what that means: Even though in absolute numbers, more Whites are being brutalized by cops, that still does not mean that Whites are disproportionally brutalized by cops.
Now, what does the word "disproportional" mean? Even though in absolute numbers there are slightly fewer cop victims who are Black, because the absolute number of Black people in total is smaller than the absolute number of White people, that means when compared to total populations, a greater amount of Black people is being brutalized.
I know you have trouble understanding this portion of the argument, so here is an example:
There are 100 White dudes and 20 Black dudes. 20 Whites and 10 Blacks get killed. You would say that means more Whites than Blacks are killed, right? But in reality, only one fifth of all White dudes, but half of all Black dudes got killed in that example.
Do you now understand how proportions work?