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Revoltingest's clever ploy!

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
I just finished reading the PolitiFact article Third-party candidates hamper both Republicans, Democrats which notes ...
  • Some third-party candidates have swung races in Republicans' favor, most notably Ralph Nader in the 2000 presidential election.
  • But many third-party entrants draw more from Republicans.
  • Supporters of Gary Johnson and Jill Stein in the 2016 presidential race would have strongly favored Trump in a two-person election, studies show.
  • And Libertarians, the most successful third party in recent decades, traditionally draw more Republican voters than Democrat.
To those of you that cannot bring yourselves to vote Biden-Harris, let @Revoltingest show you the way!
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
  • And Libertarians, the most successful third party in recent decades, traditionally draw more Republican voters than Democrat.

I don't understand the basis for why that should be , as the libertarians would give the green quadrant left all of the social freedom they could ever want, without oneupsmanship. The libertarian position is technically totally neutral to the contemporary concerns of the republicans and democrats
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
I don't understand the basis for why that should be , as the libertarians would give the green quadrant left all of the social freedom they could ever want, without oneupsmanship.
I do not claim to understand the libertarian mindset.

The libertarian position is technically totally neutral to the contemporary concerns of the republicans and democrats
What does it mean to be technically totally neutral?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I don't understand the basis for why that should be , as the libertarians would give the green quadrant left all of the social freedom they could ever want, without oneupsmanship. The libertarian position is technically totally neutral to the contemporary concerns of the republicans and democrats
Social freedoms of the Left and economic policies of the Right. The latter being why many on the Left don't support them.
 

amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Social freedoms of the Left and economic policies of the Right. The latter being why many on the Left don't support them.

Yeah but if the libertarian dimension achieves enough critical mass with those practicing great social freedom, we have no idea how that would impact economic practice, in that dimension. We don't know if social freedom and economic freedom would cancel each other out, in other words. It's just that contemporary attitudes feel like they wouldn't. In other words, the economic practice of the libertarian base, in theory, might be guided by the social heading of its constituents
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
The left isn't all that big on social freedom either.
But economic liberty seems the greater difference.
Last I knew I'm still further South than you. The entire "Marxist-Libertarian" territory starts about where you are South and goes down from there.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Last I knew I'm still further South than you. The entire "Marxist-Libertarian" territory starts about where you are South and goes down from there.
I don't remember my score.
I'm very low (in more ways than 1).
If you're lower (which I doubt), then you'd be an extremist among liberals.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Elaborate.
Again?
Dang....I just did that somewhere.
Some examples....
- Cancel culture
- The Petty Offense Doctrine
- Opposition to sex work (more than about economics).
- Censorship
- Military draft
- The Crime Bill (3 strikes & all that)
- Religious slogan on money
- Tax subsidies for religion
- Surveilling the poor's associations when receiving subsidized housing.

Caution!
Do not infer that I claim every person on the
left has those agendas. Just tendencies.

Caution!
Do not infer that I claim the equivalency or
less social liberty than the right tends to.

There....that should avoid a couple dozen
posts arguing against invented inferences
by some here.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I don't remember my score.
I'm very low (in more ways than 1).
If you're lower (which I doubt), then you'd be an extremist among liberals.
I was a point lower than you last couples times we all took the test and posted our results.
And I'm not a liberal, so putting me in with them might be skewing your views on me.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Again?
Dang....I just did that somewhere.
Some examples....
- Cancel culture
- The Petty Offense Doctrine
- Opposition to sex work (more than about economics).
- Censorship
- Military draft
- The Crime Bill (3 strikes & all that)
- Religious slogan on money
- Tax subsidies for religion
- Surveilling the poor's associations when receiving subsidized housing.
A few of those are specific to the small group of Looney Lefties. And no one likes the PC crowd (except themselves, they like themselves). The Crime Bill came from a center-rightist who isn't really at all Left. The religion ones are supported by Conservative RWers. Censorship, draft, and opposition to prostitution is a mixed bag of support and opposition from the Left and Right.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
A few of those are specific to the small group of Looney Lefties. And no one likes the PC crowd (except themselves, they like themselves). The Crime Bill came from a center-rightist who isn't really at all Left. The religion ones are supported by Conservative RWers. Censorship, draft, and opposition to prostitution is a mixed bag of support and opposition from the Left and Right.
It seems you're arguing that Democrats aren't "left".
Bill Clinton signed the Crime Bill.
Add curbing gun rights to my list.

But it also seems that you're exculpating the left
by claiming that the right is also weak on social liberty.
That doesn't negate my claim.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
It seems you're arguing that Democrats aren't "left".
Bill Clinton signed the Crime Bill.
Add curbing gun rights to my list.

But it also seems that you're exculpating the left
by claiming that the right is also weak on social liberty.
That doesn't negate my claim.
Democrats can be Left or Right. They tend to be Right leaning with Conservative tendencies of preserving the status quo.
 
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