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Now insert Muhammad for Islam and the Bab or Baha'ullah for Baha'i. It's the same.
But does Baha'ullahh claim to have fulfilled old Testment prophecy for the Messiah?
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Now insert Muhammad for Islam and the Bab or Baha'ullah for Baha'i. It's the same.
Yes He does make that claim, at the same time claiming He was the Comforter, who was the return of Christ, whom Christ promised to send from the Father (John 14:16, John 14:26, John 15:26):But does Baha'ullahh claim to have fulfilled old Testment prophecy for the Messiah?
Most of us only know what Christians tell about Judaism. They go out of their way to tell us... to try and save us. They say, "Hey, man Jesus loves you." And it all starts from there. We are shown Jesus in the Bible and how he fulfilled all sorts of prophecies... like all those in the early chapters of Matthew. It was a couple of years before I checked the references. I was already beginning to doubt what I was being told by Christians. But, one thing I learned, if a person doesn't doubt, there is great power in believing. The "knows" for sure that what they believe is true. Only problem... different Christians believe, with a certainty, that what they believe is true. And several people in other religions believe what they believe with a certainty.Sometimes I think they really don't. Despite constant explanations...
Thanks. I'm sure I'll have some comments and questions for you after I've watched them.Here is the entire play list for "A Rabbi Cross Examines the NT"
I listened to the first o it is interesting. I forgot Paul never really met Jesus. He was walking down the road and God struck him down by a vision of Jesus talking to him right? But all we know is he claimed to have this vision and God told him he was an Apostle. It is interesting.
All these "Abrahamic" religions all say they base their beliefs in Judaism. But, they all say Jews are wrong in the way they believe and in what they believe and how they believe. Which really only means they haven't accepted Jesus...... Not many really care to hear what and why the Jews have stayed with their own religion. To do so would take a very open mind. One that hasn't already become committed and convinced of their own religion's interpretations and beliefs about Judaism. I think to truly open their mind now would mean that they would have to put their old beliefs on hold somehow and not let them cloud their judgement. I really don't think many, if any, will do that or would do that.
That's exactly what is happening. The Christians tell the Jews... "This is what your religion means." Then, Islam does it to Christians and Jews. And now the Baha'is do it to all of them.Based on what you wrote above I think you may find this video below interesting.
Rarely, if ever, have Jews gotten into the back and forth arguments. This was the first thread I read that Jews were explaining what and why they believed what they do about Jesus. I hope it continues for awhile. Thanks for posting the videos.
That's the big one... Christianity makes an absolute necessity to tell everybody they are doomed to eternal hell fire if the don't accept Jesus and convert. Baha'is downplay it, but they still are told to "teach" the faith and rejecting their prophet is supposedly the reason the world is going through so much turmoil now. But they call it more like "birth pangs"... the pain and suffering are leading us all to a place where most people finally give up fighting it and accept the Baha'i Faith as being true.Lastly, we don't have any type of missionary requirements since the world does not have to become Jewish for acceptance by the Creator of all things.
That's the big one... Christianity makes an absolute necessity to tell everybody they are doomed to eternal hell fire if the don't accept Jesus and convert. Baha'is downplay it, but they still are told to "teach" the faith and rejecting their prophet is supposedly the reason the world is going through so much turmoil now. But they call it more like "birth pangs"... the pain and suffering are leading us all to a place where most people finally give up fighting it and accept the Baha'i Faith as being true.
And again, that goes for Jews too. They believe their prophets is The Messiah. They say is is related to Abraham and to David. The Baha'i Faith has it headquarters in Haifa, which I guess is Mt. Carmel? At least that's what they tell me. A Temple and the throne of David being establish in Jerusalem, something Christians tell me, is changed to Mt. Carmel. Everyone has their verses and interpretations to make it all sound like it was exactly predicted in the Bible. But, it's never exact. It's never perfect. They are all vague enough and out of context enough to question every "prophecy" that Christians and Baha'is have. For the believers in those religions, that is not a problem. Christians say that Jesus is "clearly" written about in the Bible. And for Baha'is, their prophet is right there plain as day.
Oh, on another thread, one Baha'i is talking about the "Zabur"? Some Muslims say it is the Psalms that are attributed to David. But the Baha'i is saying it is a book of laws like the Torah and Quran and came before Moses, and therefore, it is a different David, not King David. Have you ever heard of it? Or, is it just a Muslim and Baha'i thing? Thanks.
51 pages of going in circles! @Israel Khan, what have you wrought upon the forums?
Hey, welcome back Israel!Mission accomplished!!!!
Hey, welcome back Israel!
Yup, thankfully. How are you?Thanks Harel! It was only today when I Iogged back in that I realised that I have been absent a loooong time from the forum. How have you been holding up? You surviving the pandemic?
I am good. I had to think through a lot of stuff which is why I haven't been on her for a while. Anything interesting happening on the forum while I have been away? I hear that quite a few JW's have recently joined the forum in my absence.Yup, thankfully. How are you?
You missed him too?Hey, welcome back Israel!