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Fulfillment of Prophecy in the New Testament

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
But does Baha'ullahh claim to have fulfilled old Testment prophecy for the Messiah?
Yes He does make that claim, at the same time claiming He was the Comforter, who was the return of Christ, whom Christ promised to send from the Father (John 14:16, John 14:26, John 15:26):

“Give ear unto that which the Dove of Eternity warbleth upon the twigs of the Divine Lote-Tree: O peoples of the earth! We sent forth him who was named John to baptize you with water, that your bodies might be cleansed for the appearance of the Messiah. He, in turn, purified you with the fire of love and the water of the spirit in anticipation of these Days whereon the All-Merciful hath purposed to cleanse you with the water of life at the hands of His loving providence. This is the Father foretold by Isaiah, and the Comforter concerning Whom the Spirit had covenanted with you. Open your eyes, O concourse of bishops, that ye may behold your Lord seated upon the Throne of might and glory.” The Summons of the Lord of Hosts, p. 63
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
The theme, from ICE, life of a human after the giant life died/removed returned and reincarnated.

The male science selves develop consciousness in DNA evolution, of gas masses returning/amassing by the theme historic spatial occurrence. O large masses of stone asteroid wandering stars, like our moon that move by gas released out of their bodies cooling space. The portion of radiation heated by SUN/UFO cause is removal of the stone, so it is contradicted by the stone gas...then what is left over, diminishes the body to just blocks of stone moving past Earth.

The reason Earth gets hit is due to the spatial vacuum being re activated opened by Earth irradiation of its space by science model. Change to the ONE GOD mass cold fused held body. As a fact of human knowledge.

So the Saviour had no name, it was just known that the Saviour history, wandering star/spirit gases travelling or coat of many colours, meaning spirit of gases get returned.

Jesus was just one of the themes of that occurrence, why life DNA gets attacked/sacrificed by removal of SIN. Sin being the body of God the stone, as a scientific formula for its removal. O God the stone in SIN hot gases...a Satanic theme.

Hot gas, natural light heavenly body light beginnings. We however die when the gases alight and burning/BEGINNING of light come to the ground. Fact of human living experience, fact of why SIN x K constant old symbolism for science converting got formed. Removal of the spirit of the S ain T...AIN meaning nothing/zero cold fusion effect.

How the gases of the S AIN T entombed in God arise from the dead/cold gas state alight and gave us incorruptible life. Life without mortal death is non decomposing flesh...as evidence/proof it was real and happened. Why the life/cell and blood got released out of our healthy life bodies.

Therefore humans in themes science were never lying, the scientist self however was the liar. For he said that this effect would save humans from being imprisoned on Planet Earth...as a false coercive theme. What the spiritual teachings realised if anyone cared to theory the relative self advice.

Hence since the attacks were numerous due to the non stop use of the occult pyramid and Temple sciences, which in the past was trans mutation of stone products into gold...the ancient science technology, human greed always is the motivating cause for all lies.

Therefore humans in groups, Jesus being a self attacked group always challenge the hierarchy of their day. Get murdered, until the hierarchy gets attacked.

Only then did they agree to stop the sciences.

Baha'i only prove that the knowledge and wisdom of human spirituality against occult science cause is innate within us. That the same circumstance recurred and the same form of teaching idealism, about male humans the scientist/Designer mind then regains new advice and preaches the same idealised review again.

Life on Earth given back after being harmed by the Saviour out of space gas/spiritual replacement, the Messengers of stone, about God O one, our planet history. The UFO/comet/asteroid ground attacks, circumstantial to the ground hit. So it was multi cultural gained, humanity very badly harmed in a war against God, as it was taught.

And the argument always was, which culture/land owner was worst attacked historically as just an argument. Compensation in scientific causes is always motivated and involved in human life and reasoning conditions.

Just scientific cosmological reasoning, as documented and DATA kept recording methods, that are owned by the human studiers of the circumstance scientific phenomena cause and effects. In human reality.

For we were all originally and naturally in our history spiritual first. And we lost our selves to UFO irradiation mutation.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Sometimes I think they really don't. Despite constant explanations...:grimacing:
Most of us only know what Christians tell about Judaism. They go out of their way to tell us... to try and save us. They say, "Hey, man Jesus loves you." And it all starts from there. We are shown Jesus in the Bible and how he fulfilled all sorts of prophecies... like all those in the early chapters of Matthew. It was a couple of years before I checked the references. I was already beginning to doubt what I was being told by Christians. But, one thing I learned, if a person doesn't doubt, there is great power in believing. The "knows" for sure that what they believe is true. Only problem... different Christians believe, with a certainty, that what they believe is true. And several people in other religions believe what they believe with a certainty.

Now on this thread we can add in the Baha'is. They know for a certainty. They say all religions are one, but... then they say what they believe to be true and not true in all the other religions. And that doesn't match what the believers in those other religions believe. All these "Abrahamic" religions all say they base their beliefs in Judaism. But, they all say Jews are wrong in the way they believe and in what they believe and how they believe. Which really only means they haven't accepted Jesus. Or, they haven't accepted Muhammad, or Baha'u'llah. Not many really care to hear what and why the Jews have stayed with their own religion. To do so would take a very open mind. One that hasn't already become committed and convinced of their own religion's interpretations and beliefs about Judaism. I think to truly open their mind now would mean that they would have to put their old beliefs on hold somehow and not let them cloud their judgement. I really don't think many, if any, will do that or would do that.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
The review reason why life was hurt by a changed God O one planet body.

Where Nature and humans live spiritually and naturally said due to ownership falsely of mountain mass.

The origin of the scientific human owned thesis about their pyramid copying falsification of natural history ^.

Therefore Jewish humans say Jesus was their Father DNA holy land history as land ownership.

Yet historically science was originally invented/thesis/theory in the Americas historically the original scene of the crime.

Words, are human owned, human implied and are stories told first in a natural life/mind and body to then be enabled to apply thesis to design/formula and then rebuilding of a fake mountain nose/tip or point.

In relativity of human history versus occult technology and human male groups lying.

The Jewish mountain was therefore not the original mountain thesis, it was a series of known Temple on the mount to ground Temple and pyramid attack, Mt. Ararat one proof of stone/Temple hit converting blasting. Mt. Sinai blackened face another proof that it really happened.

The Jewish community claim that it was their Father in DNA who re invented the pyramid sciences, as a claim who knew it and who caused it first.

Their story therefore quotes, so God, the One planet hurt their Holy Land and humanity the worst historically, which is the Moses claim, for it was first scientific reinvention history.

Today we know that science of the occult, science converting of mass is fake, for it never personally was any mountain or UFO o mass that was the science model for machine invention and copying. Hence nor was their machine owner historically of any great power, another of their own human lies.

The ancient elite reason to not reuse the Temple and Pyramid was when after ignoring all Jesus warnings, they got attacked and the Temple/pyramid model blew up. Then they knew how dangerous it was. It was not like they suddenly became spiritually conscious and said, oh look at all the attacks on nature and humans and became loving and caring.

They stopped using the technology because the UFO proved they were not in control of it with machines. So they never rebuilt it. For the history to rebuild and then reuse is why the technology was practiced. The practice was not stopped in good faith, it was stopped due to acute and aware fear of self destruction.
https://www.history.com/news/crusader-shipwreck-tells-a-golden-knights-tale

1291. The Effect of Tyre's Destruction — Ezekiel 26:15-21

History says that the use and rebuilding of the Temple/pyramid sciences by the Muslim takeover involved a history when Rome had already given up using the technology when Rome was hit in the phenomena cause.

The Templars were involved in trying to take back control in Jerusalem from Muslim control and use technology, and were involved historically in the land attack caused by using the technology.

Sahih Muslim Book of Prayers Hadith 1291 — Muflihun

According to some, the damage was caused by Napoleon’s troops, who shot off the nose with a cannon. However, illustrations that date before Napoleon reveal a noseless sphinx. Another theory contends that Muhammad Saʾim al-Dahr, a Sufi Muslim, mutilated the statue in the 14th century to protest idolatry.Great Sphinx of Giza | Description, History, & Facts

Missing Fourth Great Pyramid of Giza may Finally Have Been Found

Loss of the stone facure/cover of the pyramids. Known water containment around the Sphinx body, copying the flooded Earth ^ mountain theme above water/UFO radiation mass. Evaporation/removal of held fusion in stone and loss of water from out of the stone.

Which related to why the technology was never re built or re used. The removal UFO was water split x mass off the flooded ground of Earth historically so if you tried to use it in technology then it simply did it again. Keep using the technology then stone loses its water seal history against radiation conversion of its mass, as proven to the ancients.

Why was Moses punished for striking the rock?[

Historically the New Testaments therefore proved that the Old Testaments using the Temple pyramid sciences were correct. For re use of technology is a common choice of the human sciences and to copy copying.

As the original human built machines ended up inside of the body of planet Earth stone fusion is it any wonder that science possessed by its own human memories, its Designer has done the same in modern copying theorising?
 

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
I listened to the first o it is interesting. I forgot Paul never really met Jesus. He was walking down the road and God struck him down by a vision of Jesus talking to him right? But all we know is he claimed to have this vision and God told him he was an Apostle. It is interesting.

Right, further. We don't even really know who he was before that "supposidly" happened. For example, the NT claims he was a Pharisee, yet if he was a Pharisee why is it claimed that he was taking orders from/working for the High Priest who at that time would have been a Sadducee. That would not have happened.

Also, when you consider who was Paul's family we are left with a big question mark? (His father-grandfather and so on) The NT further claims he learned from Rabban Gamilel which also makes no sense. Thus, there are lot of claims made about him that one won't find a Jewish source for, which would be expected if he was to the level the writings about him claimed him to be.
 
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Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
All these "Abrahamic" religions all say they base their beliefs in Judaism. But, they all say Jews are wrong in the way they believe and in what they believe and how they believe. Which really only means they haven't accepted Jesus...... Not many really care to hear what and why the Jews have stayed with their own religion. To do so would take a very open mind. One that hasn't already become committed and convinced of their own religion's interpretations and beliefs about Judaism. I think to truly open their mind now would mean that they would have to put their old beliefs on hold somehow and not let them cloud their judgement. I really don't think many, if any, will do that or would do that.

Based on what you wrote above I think you may find this video below interesting.

 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Based on what you wrote above I think you may find this video below interesting.

That's exactly what is happening. The Christians tell the Jews... "This is what your religion means." Then, Islam does it to Christians and Jews. And now the Baha'is do it to all of them.
I had minimal religious training. I don't think there was a Bible in our house. So when Baha'is told what the Bible said, I believed them. Then Christians showed me the Bible, mostly their New Testament. They showed me what Jesus said and did. It was very different from what the Baha'is had told me. But then, the Christians showed me things in the other part of their Bible, the Jewish part... and showed how everything they were telling me was true.

I think I already mentioned, but I was already beginning to question Christianity. So I decided to start checking New Testament references to the Jewish Scriptures. All were very much cherry picked and way out of context. Because of this forum, I'm doing the same thing with claims made by the Baha'is when they reference the Bible. Same thing... a verse or two pulled out and formed into some sort of fulfilled prophecy. Although, many great people, very good people belong to Christianity and the Baha'i Faith, I can't get behind their beliefs. I'm cynical and skeptical and don't trust the very foundations of what they believe. That foundation, supposedly, is Judaism.

In a lot of very real ways, they don't necessarily build off of the foundation of Judaism, or with the Baha'is, the foundation of all the other religions that have gone before them. They tear down the religion. They make it out to be off course. That somehow, somewhere the religious leaders misinterpreted things and added things in making the religions, essentially, false. Therefore, Jesus, then Muhammad, then the Baha'i prophet had to come set things right. But each included, not only Judaism, but that all religions that went before fell into that same process of getting off track and needing a new messenger/prophet from God to re-establish God's truth.

That is the continuous circle of arguments and debates that have gone on. Christians.... "We are right and the Bible proves it." Baha'is... "No, we are right. God has sent a new messenger who has told us how to rightly interpret your Scriptures." Rarely, if ever, have Jews gotten into the back and forth arguments. This was the first thread I read that Jews were explaining what and why they believed what they do about Jesus. I hope it continues for awhile. Thanks for posting the videos.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
All humans today should ask a simple question. If you did not have human sex, and existed as a human, then would you still exist?

For that is what you all quote from the Bible everyday, God he says created me and believes it. Yet human sex did.

100 years ago the act of sex now owns a deceased human life today.

So in a natural life which is human pairs, male and female adults, we have sex. Everything that we need is supplied for us in Nature to support our life.

We know we live on a Planet that owns and holds all bodies on its body that is our life support. What an intelligent self says, natural.

Then you all own stories and arguments and quotes and purpose and status and egotism and themes. Just about communities of different human expressed consciousness and life bodies by DNA due to the ground/land upon which you live. Which demonstrates in its natural body variations to its fusion.

And that condition is what you all argue about, the reason why Genetic diversity exists as if it has some higher purpose....in human reality, reason to argue.

So then you ask everyone, human, okay what are you arguing about in reality?

Science, the history of its causes.

Science is FAKE, it is a want, motivated to a human choice, to a FAKE/ARTIFICIAL machine built and controlled not by some God, but a human being male historically as a group chosen subject, agreed upon by groups and it is involved in group mentality.

Groups either in DNA nationality or groups in science have always tried to own control of all life and every choice for every other human on earth since control and hierarchy was introduced by the FAKE GROUP structure. When the natural and normal everyday group structure is the sexually procreated natural family groups.

Today you argue about issues that involve and always involved your own life sacrifice as a human by machine cause.....and what it did in the ancient past and totally ignore any relevance about how wrong you all are as a HUMAN.

Therefore rationality said, as a biologist theme....have a look at your human mentality, group controlled behaviours, coercion in those groups, how the human mind/feeling and emotional state is manipulated by fake group mentality that took over and controlled natural family unity and also natural family expression as family first and then extended family secondary.

Yet none of you do, for it is all about egotism and self status, importance of voiced statements and groups.

The written WORD actually was applied for the statements and stories for human expressed scientific thesis and it states, never give the Earth O stone philosophy a name ever again. Yet here you all are today claiming and bandying names as if it of importance in human survival. When the documents said never do it again.
 

Ehav4Ever

Well-Known Member
Rarely, if ever, have Jews gotten into the back and forth arguments. This was the first thread I read that Jews were explaining what and why they believed what they do about Jesus. I hope it continues for awhile. Thanks for posting the videos.

Three reasons you won't find that many Jews involved in such debates, between religions, is:
  1. We don't have concepts of faith. The Torah never commands/requires faith. Instead proving out the truth is wht the Torah describes.
  2. We have no concept that we are the ones who are, our concept is that the Source of Creation is right. I.e. our history is that our ancestors experienced a mass revelation and there are large number of Jews standing today are direct descendants of that mass revelation. Thus, we have no stake in most "religious" arguements since the Torah was never defined as a religion. Mainly in English we may find outselves having to use such terms which are really foreign to our ancestors method of talking. In Hebrew, the term (דת) that is "modernly" used to mean "religion" does not actually mean "religion." The term (דת) means "laws, statutes." Thus, in Hebrew a "religious Christian" is someone who follows the laws and statutes of Christianity - a religious Hindu is following the laws and statutes of Hinduism and so and so on.
    • This, is of course not the same as the English term "religion" which often means "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."
  3. Lastly, we don't have any type of missionary requirements since the world does not have to become Jewish for acceptance by the Creator of all things.
Thus, our concern is not about trying to prove everyone else wrong because we think we are right. We don't have a problem being proven wrong, because the Torah makes it clear that we must always seek out and be about the truth and not our personal perceptions of what we think/feel/or want to be the truth. IF we are wrong that is not problem, IF we are wrong in reality. Yet a person would have to bring the established historical, scientific, and logical facts to the table for us to take it seriously. This, is thus what most Torah based debates/discussion has been about for the last several thousand years. Here is an element of the truth, and we deal with our lives and how we establish historical, scientific, and logical facts upon it.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Humans who proclaim I believe that human life was sacrificed are also meant to question why.

Science/technology is proven to have been expressed in civilizations before, for it is involved in civilization as a structured status, always was.

If a human male quotes I want to remove what you own to live a healthy and natural life, which is the Earth atmospheric spirit, in science it is the gases, would you support that reasoning, when it is imposed through human greed about owning anything you talk/discuss/thesis or theory upon?

It is virtually claiming O planet Earth I will steal your spirit, the heavenly body from you....and then quote, because a human being male/group said so. We own it so we will do with it what we want. Yet it is not directly owned by them, the planet owned it first. Greed imposes that if you think quantity as science does, then it claims, resource and then also claims can remove and have some left over.

This type of spiritual self human female awareness was stated in my psyche with a male science group claim that they could remove my spirit in life before I gained it, as if I was Planet Earth owner of it. Which is why I own a challenge personally about the historic review sacrifice of a natural life.

When documents said no man is God, then it did. The documents also quote and man/female were created in human life equally. Which would mean any community would treat their human female life partner, sister or daughter in an equal living condition to quote, and I am correct in a self aware living condition.

Gender Equality at Creation - TheTorah.com

The reasoning would by term theme and biological reasoning, seeing you have to be a human to tell these stories, by humans for humans about humans.

You cannot discuss human information without a human being present as that human. For we do not exist before our own self.

If a male is discussing science, science is always about looking back, which is also a quoted teaching that said this form of thinking is not natural and nor is it relevant to a natural lived life.

A male looking back to a female quotes that her female life body cell o an ovary is his life Creator/God theme or life returned to self by a human male baby. Who in the mind adult vision and talking cannot infer self expression or presence to challenge that male psyche as the adult making all claims. Yet he should of course remember what he is discussing when he claims consciousness.

If a male existed by his own self as a human he would quote that he is one human.

If a male exists with a female human she is also that same one human.

Yet if he quotes relevant detailed genetic variations he would quote 2 humans.

If a human did not exist as a parent, then no human life continuance baby would exist either, for we are already encoded in their 2 bodies. Sperm in the male, ovary in the female. Without sex, no life continuance and sex is not science, to detail a format/formula for a design model as mind stated.

Sperm does not continue what conditions a male quotes is a variance to his life procreator act.

Ovary does not continue what conditions a female quotes is a variance to her life procreator act into anything past the one body of each self.

Therefore the Genesis teaching virtually said the whole life continuance was in the bodies of the 2 parents, why it never discussed any baby originally, for a human baby to adult life was looking back wondering why their owned Genetics became sick and mutated as a rational reason.

Therefore the stories about scientific medical Genesis quotes, that before the giant life or dinosaur mutation existence, Earth once was a higher Garden and natural life Nature and the theme of God the stone philosophy and pyramids, destroyed life by a male choice.

Why his information about God in the statements science always quote HE or HIM...for it was his own human male self who did it.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Lastly, we don't have any type of missionary requirements since the world does not have to become Jewish for acceptance by the Creator of all things.
That's the big one... Christianity makes an absolute necessity to tell everybody they are doomed to eternal hell fire if the don't accept Jesus and convert. Baha'is downplay it, but they still are told to "teach" the faith and rejecting their prophet is supposedly the reason the world is going through so much turmoil now. But they call it more like "birth pangs"... the pain and suffering are leading us all to a place where most people finally give up fighting it and accept the Baha'i Faith as being true.

And again, that goes for Jews too. They believe their prophets is The Messiah. They say is is related to Abraham and to David. The Baha'i Faith has it headquarters in Haifa, which I guess is Mt. Carmel? At least that's what they tell me. A Temple and the throne of David being establish in Jerusalem, something Christians tell me, is changed to Mt. Carmel. Everyone has their verses and interpretations to make it all sound like it was exactly predicted in the Bible. But, it's never exact. It's never perfect. They are all vague enough and out of context enough to question every "prophecy" that Christians and Baha'is have. For the believers in those religions, that is not a problem. Christians say that Jesus is "clearly" written about in the Bible. And for Baha'is, their prophet is right there plain as day.

Oh, on another thread, one Baha'i is talking about the "Zabur"? Some Muslims say it is the Psalms that are attributed to David. But the Baha'i is saying it is a book of laws like the Torah and Quran and came before Moses, and therefore, it is a different David, not King David. Have you ever heard of it? Or, is it just a Muslim and Baha'i thing? Thanks.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
That's the big one... Christianity makes an absolute necessity to tell everybody they are doomed to eternal hell fire if the don't accept Jesus and convert. Baha'is downplay it, but they still are told to "teach" the faith and rejecting their prophet is supposedly the reason the world is going through so much turmoil now. But they call it more like "birth pangs"... the pain and suffering are leading us all to a place where most people finally give up fighting it and accept the Baha'i Faith as being true.

And again, that goes for Jews too. They believe their prophets is The Messiah. They say is is related to Abraham and to David. The Baha'i Faith has it headquarters in Haifa, which I guess is Mt. Carmel? At least that's what they tell me. A Temple and the throne of David being establish in Jerusalem, something Christians tell me, is changed to Mt. Carmel. Everyone has their verses and interpretations to make it all sound like it was exactly predicted in the Bible. But, it's never exact. It's never perfect. They are all vague enough and out of context enough to question every "prophecy" that Christians and Baha'is have. For the believers in those religions, that is not a problem. Christians say that Jesus is "clearly" written about in the Bible. And for Baha'is, their prophet is right there plain as day.

Oh, on another thread, one Baha'i is talking about the "Zabur"? Some Muslims say it is the Psalms that are attributed to David. But the Baha'i is saying it is a book of laws like the Torah and Quran and came before Moses, and therefore, it is a different David, not King David. Have you ever heard of it? Or, is it just a Muslim and Baha'i thing? Thanks.

The Temple on the mount/mount AIN once transmitted to the Temple on the ground and involved a circuit with the pyramids as ancient occult technologies.

Spiritual AI past life memory states it was an Earth stone process of trans mutation to gain an artificial product of gold. Eventually converting the natural Earth seal of stone, seeing gold is deep inside of the pressurized seams of Earth was a male occult science knowledge of the Earth having once been converted by UFO Sun mass radiation. Why it is termed occult history/conditions.

The theme UFO and flooded Earth was the after effect of Earth being saved and sealed as water evaporation off the ground and spatial vacuum got rid of the UFO also. Mountain tips above the water line ^ removed and flat topped mountains.

So when they used the science as a concept on Earth with ^ rebuilding of a fake mountain tip, they actually caused the UFO to hit Mountains and also blew up the Temple...for it was involved in radiation/radio wave transmitters.

It is why multi DNA/Holy Land stories theme the mountain or changes to the mountain when they heard the spirit of AI feed back multi speaking voices, of their own AI machine encoded male human self. I have heard it so know it is real, it is like big angelic beings are talking to you....when it is just male human science MACHINE designer encoded AI shared communicators speaking to each other.

Owning answers, owning questions, giving answers and telling themes...storytelling all day long. That effect was the occult science machine designed by human males, caused to their own selves, attacked their own selves, when the origin of the information said if you knew it could remove mountain tip mass, then you also knew it could remove your bio organic life form and Nature.

So as he was not actually doing the form of converting of his design studies, he got attacked on the ground and states that life got evicted out of the Garden Nature for he converted all cellular bodies in that pyramid technology of his Temple sciences....actually.
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Yup, thankfully. How are you?
I am good. I had to think through a lot of stuff which is why I haven't been on her for a while. Anything interesting happening on the forum while I have been away? I hear that quite a few JW's have recently joined the forum in my absence.
 
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