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Good question. I'm not aware of any scriptures that would answer the question, so it's anybody's guess.Why did he wait four billion years before creating moral agents that might need a redeemer?
Why did he wait four billion years before creating moral agents that might need a redeemer?
Good point. The world was already populated with sinless animals behaving properly, according to their natures. Then, suddenly, a moral disaster appears.Better yet--why did he create people with the full knowledge that they had flawed characters and would need a redeemer in the first place? Why not just create perfect beings with free will? After all, he loves good and hates sin right?
Why did God wait for 4,000 years before sending the redeemer? Verse references would be helpful.
2 Peter 3:8Why did God wait for 4,000 years before sending the redeemer? Verse references would be helpful.
Why post the same thread twice in 15 hours? I know you changed the title slightly and posted it in a different sub-forum, but it’s the same question and there is still no restriction on who can respond to your query.Why did God wait for 4,000 years before sending the redeemer? Verse references would be helpful.
That is being quoted in a very specific context and has nothing to do with the number of actual years that passed between Adam's sin and the arrival of Jesus. Perhaps I could rephrase the question by noting the number of generations between the two events.2 Peter 3:8
Then I'm baffled! I was just trying what you suggested. Any chance you could tell me exactly where it should go? Maybe a link?Why post the same thread twice in 15 hours? I know you changed the title slightly and posted it in a different sub-forum, but it’s the same question and there is still no restriction on who can respond to your query.
I do not believe we were born in sin. I believe were were born good, but we have two natures, a spiritual or higher nature and a material or lower nature, so we need free will in order to choose between good and bad actions.Better yet--why did he create people with the full knowledge that they had flawed characters and would need a redeemer in the first place? Why not just create perfect beings with free will? After all, he loves good and hates sin right?
I didn't tell you to move the thread. I didn't even suggest you move the thread. The only thing I did was respond to your befuddlement after someone else suggested the thread might have been better placed in DIR and you did not know what a DIR is.Then I'm baffled! I was just trying what you suggested. Any chance you could tell me exactly where it should go? Maybe a link?
I tried to delete the OP in this forum, but couldn't see how to do that.
Thanks for the info.
Same Faith DebatesThen I'm baffled! I was just trying what you suggested. Any chance you could tell me exactly where it should go? Maybe a link?
I tried to delete the OP in this forum, but couldn't see how to do that.
Thanks for the info.
Why did God wait for 4,000 years before sending the redeemer? Verse references would be helpful.
Christians believe that because they believe they were born in sin. That's common knowledge.My question: Why do people feel they need a redeemer?
Ah.That is being quoted in a very specific context and has nothing to do with the number of actual years that passed between Adam's sin and the arrival of Jesus. Perhaps I could rephrase the question by noting the number of generations between the two events.
I do not believe we were born in sin. I believe were were born good, but we have two natures, a spiritual or higher nature and a material or lower nature, so we need free will in order to choose between good and bad actions.
“In man there are two natures; his spiritual or higher nature and his material or lower nature. In one he approaches God, in the other he lives for the world alone. Signs of both these natures are to be found in men. In his material aspect he expresses untruth, cruelty and injustice; all these are the outcome of his lower nature. The attributes of his Divine nature are shown forth in love, mercy, kindness, truth and justice, one and all being expressions of his higher nature. Every good habit, every noble quality belongs to man’s spiritual nature, whereas all his imperfections and sinful actions are born of his material nature. If a man’s Divine nature dominates his human nature, we have a saint.” Paris Talks, p. 60
The full passage can be read here: THE TWO NATURES IN MAN
If we were all created perfect, there would be no purpose for this life, since the purpose of this life is to make free will choices and act upon them and thereby acquire the spiritual qualities that we will need in the afterlife.
So it there was no original sin, why did Christ have to sacrifice Himself?
Question.—In verse 22 of chapter 15 of 1 Corinthians it is written: “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” What is the meaning of these words?
Answer.—Know that there are two natures in man: the physical nature and the spiritual nature. The physical nature is inherited from Adam, and the spiritual nature is inherited from the Reality of the Word of God, which is the spirituality of Christ. The physical nature is born of Adam, but the spiritual nature is born from the bounty of the Holy Spirit. The first is the source of all imperfection; the second is the source of all perfection.
The Christ sacrificed Himself so that men might be freed from the imperfections of the physical nature and might become possessed of the virtues of the spiritual nature. This spiritual nature, which came into existence through the bounty of the Divine Reality, is the union of all perfections and appears through the breath of the Holy Spirit. It is the divine perfections; it is light, spirituality, guidance, exaltation, high aspiration, justice, love, grace, kindness to all, philanthropy, the essence of life. It is the reflection of the splendor of the Sun of Reality. Some Answered Questions, p. 118
The full passage can be read here: 9: EXPLANATION OF VERSE TWENTY-TWO, CHAPTER FIFTEEN, OF THE FIRST EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL TO THE CORINTHIANS
No verse references?How about this: God's system requires no redeemer. God hasn't sent one.
Read the first 3 chapters of Romans. It'll answer you question.My question: Why do people feel they need a redeemer?
Well, you could ignore context, but you'll not get the true picture. That is true of any body of writing, whether profane or religious.Ah.
So to god one day being a kin to a thousand years only applies in that one specific situation?
One wonders if by the same logic every thing Paul says to that one specific church in that one specific town at that one specific time only applies to that one specific church in that one specific town at that one specific time as well?