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Do you want Real Truth or convenient Truth?

Choose the responses that apply to you now (multiple allowed, change choice any time)

  • 01: I dare to reject the verse from my own Scripture (if my conscience tells me)

  • 02: I dare to reject the verse from other's Scripture (if my conscience tells me)

  • 03: I have rejected 1 or more verses from my own Scripture

  • 04: I have rejected 1 or more verses from other's Scripture

  • 05: I would not dare to say NO to God, if He told me something personally

  • 06: I would say NO to God, if what He tells me goes against my Conscience

  • 07) I never go against my Conscience

  • 08) I do go against my Conscience sometimes

  • 09) I do go against my Conscience, and feel not bad about it

  • 10) For me it's a challenge in life to purify and follow my Conscience


Results are only viewable after voting.

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
While I'd want the real truth, I'm come to accept either there is no real truth or if there is, it will always be out of reach to me.
When I use my common sense, I think it is impossible to know the Full Truth behind this huge Universe. I also came to accept that.

In your view what is conscience? IS it your rational self-awareness or your deeper unconscious feelings about life?
Conscience is what you describe in the reply below "and it simply didn't feel right"

I guess it's deeper feelings to me because often I was told something by a religious leader and it simply didn't feel right.

I guess you find the one that everything they say feels right. I went looking for that person but never found them.
I think it's impossible to find such a person, that everything they say feels right. Unless the person = you;) (if one acts according to how one feels)
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I can't make a choice on the poll, because I have no idea what it might mean to refer to "The Real Truth"
The title of the OP has the words "Real Truth" in it
The Poll questions are not about "Real Truth"

So, I am surprised you say that you can't make a choice on the poll
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
"The Real Truth" (the capitilization being courtesy of the OP poster).
:D

It seems to imply that there is only one.
Yes.

Thus, if we discover that, for example, gravity is "true," and accept that there is only one "Real Truth," then gravity must be it, and everything else no longer counts.
Yes.

Please notice what it says under my Handle, above...
"Truth" isn't a thing
Agreed.
And very significant to understand when searching for Truth IMO:)
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
Which 2 gurus did you meet personally?

One was a "ki striking grandmaster" whose first name was Ronald and the second was a Reiki healing master who gave himself an Indian name, but whose real first name was Samuel. The first one I met for a debate followed by exercise and some light sparring and the second for an interview.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
One was a "ki striking grandmaster" whose first name was Ronald and the second was a Reiki healing master who gave himself an Indian name, but whose real first name was Samuel. The first one I met for a debate followed by exercise and some light sparring and the second for an interview.
Thank you for sharing.
When I asked "which guru did you meet", I had in mind the second meaning of the guru definition

Guru is a Sanskrit term for a "teacher, guide, expert, or master" of certain knowledge or field. ...
Guru is also one's spiritual guide, who helps one to discover the same potentialities that the guru has already realized.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Please feel free to share your views on this or related things. Do you dare to reject verses from your Scripture or Master (Jesus, Boeddha, Shiva, Allah, God....) if they feel bad?

As a Christian, I have never found the teachings of Christ as something I ever needed to reject.....it all made perfect sense to me. It creates no hardship whatsoever to me.

Do you rather play safe and skip those? Or do you dare to challenge God and Scriptures, or are you scared to challenge them.

It is my personal belief that God is choosing us as much as we are choosing him.
Jesus said “you will know the truth and the truth will set you free”....since no one can come to that truth on their own, it is God who grants access to himself through the teachings of his son. (John 6:44; 65)

If we beg to differ with God, no invitation will be issued. All he has ever asked of his human servants is their obedience out of love and loyalty for who he is, and a sound respect for his wisdom which is so vastly superior to our own. His love shines through in all his creation.

Do you fear to be thrown in Hell when rejecting 1 or more verses from your Scripture(s)?
No....because I have no belief in such a place. The Bible speaks in symbolic terms of the place where disobedient and wicked humans will end up, but at the end of the day, it will simply be eternal life...or eternal death. God has no reason to even want to punish such ones with anything but elimination from existence.....the gift of life will be withdrawn from those who abuse this gift.

That’s it.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
The title of the OP has the words "Real Truth" in it
The Poll questions are not about "Real Truth"

So, I am surprised you say that you can't make a choice on the poll
It's a hodge-podge. If you're going to do a hodge-podge, and hope to get me to make one choice, then you'd better make it a complete hodge-podge. And of course, nobody can do that, because then you'd have to have enough options to satisfy everybody.

In other words, the poll would never provide data that could be used to understand any particular demographic, no matter how many responses you got.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Thank you for sharing.
It is my personal belief that God is choosing us as much as we are choosing him.
That is also my experience, that the more time I spend "with" God, the more God is "felt".

no one can come to that truth on their own, it is God who grants access to himself
I also believe that God's Grace is very much needed to come to that truth

No....because I have no belief in such a place.
I remember that. I also don't believe in Hell, makes life much lighter.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
It's a hodge-podge. If you're going to do a hodge-podge, and hope to get me to make one choice, then you'd better make it a complete hodge-podge.
I see. That's no problem if my OP is a hodge-podge for you. I am never hoping to get all to make a choice.
That is what I like about RF Forum, there is plenty to choose from for everyone.
Would be a real miracle if I made an OP that feels right for all, I think
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I see. That's no problem if my OP is a hodge-podge for you. I am never hoping to get all to make a choice.
That is what I like about RF Forum, there is plenty to choose from for everyone.
Would be a real miracle if I made an OP that feels right for all, I think
I ask myself all the time how I know that such-and-such is true or false. And that's the real question, isn't it? If I think that something is true, then "why" do I think so, or "how do I know?" Because if I'm going to base important life decisions on the answer, then I think it's important for me to understand why I am so convinced, one way or the other.

If I were the sacrificial victim on an altar in Meso-America, about to have my heart cut out of my living body -- or if I were the priest about to cut it out -- I think it would be pretty important to understand why I so truly believe that God (or the gods) require such a horrifying thing. Wouldn't you?
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
AS a matter of curiosity, I wrote a poem on the idea in the post above some years ago. Here it is:

The Very First Skeptic

Who was the very first skeptic?
Surely not the priest, upon whom the fortunes of all depend!
Nor the king, whose claim to kingship is divine kinship.
Perhaps it was that wizened, wisened soul,
Watching yet one more sacrifice
And remembering, “They never work.”
Or perhaps it was that man upon the altar,
About to meet the gods whose help won’t come,
Because, he thought,
“Maybe they aren’t there.”
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
AS a matter of curiosity, I wrote a poem on the idea in the post above some years ago. Here it is:

The Very First Skeptic

Who was the very first skeptic?
Surely not the priest, upon whom the fortunes of all depend!
Nor the king, whose claim to kingship is divine kinship.
Perhaps it was that wizened, wisened soul,
Watching yet one more sacrifice
And remembering, “They never work.”
Or perhaps it was that man upon the altar,
About to meet the gods whose help won’t come,
Because, he thought,
“Maybe they aren’t there.”
Thank you for sharing. I like it.
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Truth for me is the many virtues. I keep it simple; deserve, compassion, mercy are my top virtues. Those words have ideals, and those words are about making correct personal judgments.

Human existence is walking into the great unknown. From there is an endless journey that may have an end for all of us, or may not have an end. Born knowing nothing is all people, ; natural instincts aside.

Love is fuel for living. Without it, I don't know what else people live on. Scriptures talk about love but experiencing love surpasses human expression. Agape is the Greek word that defines love best; charity, equality, friendship, to care etc. Though I don't see a God of such a thing as love.

Truth is best served in a spiritual context. Scriptures don't do it justice. It's the only truth knowable to humanity and it comes from honesty, and the ability to care. Truth produces love. It's a heart thing.

My conscience rests on virtues, and human limitation and potential. Mercy is a human need. Nobody's perfectly righteous, and I don't think it's reasonable to expect so. Everything comes in degrees.

There are certain things that good people never ever do.

If I met God I would have to learn all about God's ways before ever accepting such a being.
 

atanu

Member
Premium Member
One was a "ki striking grandmaster" whose first name was Ronald and the second was a Reiki healing master who gave himself an Indian name, but whose real first name was Samuel. The first one I met for a debate followed by exercise and some light sparring and the second for an interview.

One gets what one strives for and ergo what one deserves.

...
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I ask myself all the time how I know that such-and-such is true or false. And that's the real question, isn't it?
"How I know?" seems a good question to me.

I also wonder "Who is this I that knows"? Is it my conscience? Probably not, because then I would not say "My conscience" I think.

And How I know? Maybe by using my conscience. But how does this conscience work? Does it answers like a flip-flop (yes or no). Is it based upon all the knowledge and experiences we have accumulated? Or is this conscience a kind of always knowing? And is the trick to get in contact with this wisdom inside us. Sometimes people say "this person has no conscience". I do not believe this, I could believe he does not use it. I also remember that my conscience kind of evolves, or maybe better to say "some layers of ignorance are peeled off".

So, indeed it's an interesting question "How I know?".

If I think that something is true, then "why" do I think so, or "how do I know?"
Did you already figure out who this "I" is, in the question "How do I know"?

If I were the sacrificial victim on an altar in Meso-America, about to have my heart cut out of my living body -- or if I were the priest about to cut it out -- I think it would be pretty important to understand why I so truly believe that God (or the gods) require such a horrifying thing. Wouldn't you?
My common sense says "stay far away from Meso-America", because I do not believe that God requires such a horrifying thing.
 

epronovost

Well-Known Member
Thank you for sharing.
When I asked "which guru did you meet", I had in mind the second meaning of the guru definition

They do fit the second definition too. The first maybe not so much though he did tought his students some pseudo-philosophy to support his "martial art" practice and the second was a more traditionnal guru who claimed his miraculous healing powers were a sign and product of his spiritual enlightenment. Of course both of them were at best self deluded and more in the vein of con artist than actually wise. Their real widsom was nothing more than banality and their pretention well beyond their reach.
 

idea

Question Everything
If there was a loving and just God, we would all have equal access to the same needed knowledge/wisdom/scripture/guidance. As the only thing we all have in common is our conscience, perhaps that is the only thing any of us need. The unifying ground that connects all of to one another and to God. Not a church. Not a book ( though many religious groups and books do inspire), just following our own conscience. Seems just and ❤.
 
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King Phenomenon

Well-Known Member
Judge Randolph: You don't have to answer that question!

Jessup: I'll answer the question. You want answers?

Kaffee: I think I'm entitled to it!

Jessup: You want answers?!

Kaffee: I want the truth!!

Jessup: You can't handle the truth!

Haha
 
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