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Why Profiling Makes Sense and Should Be Done

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
It begins to look like it.

Since the probability that either your Karen from Kansas or your Persian is a terrorist is very small, it looks like a waste of resources to focus on their nationality and skin colour , rather than actual terrorism intelligence.

What are you going to do, as a consequence of this profiling of yours?

And in any case, since there is no problem of imported terrorism in the US, why waste time on that when you could instead be profiling the people most likely to carry out mass shootings, which you have just about every month? Oh but I was forgetting, it’s white men that do that. No need to spend time trying to stop that, then.
:rolleyes:

I actually hope that white men are profiled more. There was a tragic shooting in my community recently, and the shooter was a white man. If we could gather enough data on people to predict who is most likely to be a shooter, and then make it a crime for them to purchase guns, we could save many lives.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
I don't know if that's true or not. It's a chicken and egg situation. You certainly haven't demonstrated that poverty is the result rather than the cause of the black community's problems. I tend to think it's more likely to be the cause given the oppression that black communities have faced over the years. But that's irrelevant to my thread anyway.
When I see Asian Americans disproportions versus African Americans opposite disproportions I am led to believe genetics is a factor but that is not this thread so I’ll stop with that talk.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I'll ask again: Do you think that there will EVER be a scenario, where the demographics of crime are completely random? If not, then why do you oppose profiling? If there are demographic factors that can predict who is more likely to commit a crime, then absolutely we should use them.
You haven't addressed my point yet. #34
I never argued that there is complete randomness in crime per demographic. (That argument alone is a straw man as well as a black and white fallacy.)
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Well I see Piggly-wigglies as generally good human beings doing a nasty job.

We are not going to agree on anything here after that essential difference of opinion.
If they were generally good we wouldn't be sibject to execution, theft, rape, and false charges at the hands of the police. America has too great of a problem with its police for them to be generally good.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
If they were generally good we wouldn't be sibject to execution, theft, rape, and false charges at the hands of the police. America has too great of a problem with its police for them to be generally good.
Again we disagree. Good is common and bad is rare among them in my opinion.
 

Rational Agnostic

Well-Known Member
I think Harris is right. Profiling, based on good data and good statistics is a good thing.
That's why profiling should not be done. As good data and good statistics show, more often than not, profiling in practice is usually not based on good data and good statistics. It is usually done based on prejudice and the "scientific" label is only attached to make the prejudices look objective.

I agree profiling should be based on good data and good statistics. So, let's make sure the profilers are unbiased statisticians.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I agree profiling should be based on good data and good statistics. So, let's make sure the profilers are unbiased statisticians.
And let them ride on unicorns.
Sorry, what I want to say is, I doubt that is possible in the real world. If it is, I have no ideological blinders. Data counts, and data shows that the implementation of profiling has a bad record, independent on how well meaning and objective the idea was.
At least have an independent institution profile the profilers.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
You've got to be kidding me. Are you at all familiar with world events? How many 18 year old white girls from the midwest do you know of that have carried out jihadist terrorist attacks?
Terrorism by white folks from the Midwest tends to be more about white supremacy or abortion than about Islam.

There are quite a few white women who have joined ISIS, but I don't know how many of them are from the Midwest specifically.

Now compare that number with the number of males of middle eastern descent in their 20s and 30s.
Sure: let's do that. What percent of "males of middle eastern descent in their 20s and 30s" have committed terrorism? Please be specific.

Don't pretend to be ignorant. You know that there is a difference.
Then you should have no problem showing that your opinions are based in fact and not bigotry. I wait with bated breath.
 

ADigitalArtist

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
And I think the main problem is lower moral behavior and social responsibility and academic performance in African American communities if we are talking statistics in the US. White And Asian statistics are closer to these other countries I’m sure.

Poverty is more the result than the cause of the Black Community’s problems.
So... you think that black people are more amoral and cause their own poverty, and suggest its genetics as well in another post...and you wonder why people call you racist.

I think you use 'don't be emotional' because you know this kind of view is trash and will and should get called out.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
So... you think that black people are more amoral and cause their own poverty, and suggest its genetics as well in another post...and you wonder why people call you racist.

I think you use 'don't be emotional' because you know this kind of view is trash and will and should get called out.
I am I suppose a scientific racist meaning no hatred or dislike of anyone because of their ethnicity.

If you can show me why it's trash I will change my views. Heredity and environment produce the results is not such a crazy notion as you like to paint it.
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
I am I suppose a scientific racist meaning no hatred or dislike of anyone because of their ethnicity.

If you can show me why it's trash I will change my views. Heredity and environment produce the results is not such a crazy notion as you like to paint it.
How about this:
The races that people think exist (White, Black, etc.) have no basis in biology and genetics.
The concept of race is the result of outdated garbage science, and its invention coincided with the massive expansion of the transatlantic slave trade by European colonial powers.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
How about this:
The races that people think exist (White, Black, etc.) have no basis in biology and genetics.
The concept of race is the result of outdated garbage science, and its invention coincided with the massive expansion of the transatlantic slave trade by European colonial powers.
Certainly ethnic groups largely genetically separated from each other for tens of thousands of years do exist.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I am I suppose a scientific racist meaning no hatred or dislike of anyone because of their ethnicity.

If you can show me why it's trash I will change my views. Heredity and environment produce the results is not such a crazy notion as you like to paint it.
Oh, so you're a friendly racist and not a hateful racist? What a relief. :rolleyes: A racist is a racist and "scientific" racism is some debunked garbage from a few centuries ago. Are you still thinking anthropometry is cutting edge science or something? Go read about population genetics.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
And I think the main problem is lower moral behavior and social responsibility and academic performance in African American communities if we are talking statistics in the US. White And Asian statistics are closer to these other countries I’m sure.

Poverty is more the result than the cause of the Black Community’s problems.
Surely this is a joke. White people terrorized black people for centuries in the US. They had racist massacres of black people where whole towns were wiped off the map by white mobs (heard of Rosewood?), chattel slavery, raped black women, lynched thousands of black men and women, held black people under a reign of terror in the Jim Crow South where black people lived in a constant state of extreme fear lest they make the slightest social mistake that could get them brutally murdered (like a black guy sharing a sidewalk with a white woman), etc. But you have the nerve to say that black people's problems are their own and that they are lacking morals and social responsibility. What textual vomit that is.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
Oh, so you're a friendly racist and not a hateful racist? What a relief. :rolleyes: A racist is a racist and "scientific" racism is some debunked garbage from a few centuries ago. Are you still thinking anthropometry is cutting edge science or something? Go read about population genetics.
Well I would like to see modern scientific racism debunked.
 
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