Question about the human soul

[nPeace]

Yeah, I do not know the whole of truth about existence, but my beliefs go with evidence and science. Therefore, I am closer to mark.
Well known adage: you can't prove negative.

Evidence and science?
I hear this often, but it's never clear, but usually just a vague repetitious expression. So can you be more specific, what evidence and science you are referring to, because I do not deny either, and neither conflicts with my beliefs.

Give us any verifiable evidence whatsoever of God / Allah interfering with what is happening on earth, and all the related supposed paraphernalia - prophets, sons, messengers, Satan, angels, heaven, hell, judgment and deliverance.
Why should I believe on snake-oil wholesalers and retailers?

What else do you need besides what has been already given.
Do you deny the existence of the Biblical characters that have been verified? Do you deny the events associated with them? If not, then only you can help us to appreciate why you deny the records that reveal the association between them, and the prophets, angels and God.
Only you can explain why you deny the clear proofs that cannot be explained by any physical explanation... though only imagined.

Give me any verifiable evidence of your beliefs.

"Arguments that God does not exist:

(may have been written 1500 years ago or more)

In Nyayasutra's Book 4, Chapter 1, verses 19-21, postulates God exists, states a consequence, then presents contrary evidence, and from contradiction concludes that the postulate must be invalid.

The Lord is the cause, since we see that human action lacks results.
This is not so since, as a matter of fact, no result is accomplished without human action.
Since this is efficacious, the reason lacks force.
- Nyaya Sutra, IV.1.19 - IV.1.21​

A literal interpretation of the three verses suggests that Nyaya school rejected the need for a God for the efficacy of human activity. Since human action and results do not require assumption or need of the existence of God, sutra IV.1.21 is seen as a criticism of the "existence of God and theism postulate". The context of the above verses includes various efficient causes. Nyayasutra verses IV.1.22 to IV.1.24, for example, examine the hypothesis that "random chance" explains the world, after these Indian scholars had rejected God as the efficient cause."
Nyaya - Wikipedia

Have you ever seen any mountains being moved by God or his agents?

Yed, many times.

The proof is here for all to see. 15,656,884 confirmed cases of the coronavirus COVID-19, and a death toll of 636,576 deaths (till today and counting), businesses and jobs destroyed. Hundreds of million of theists praying to God / Allah for relief. What has God done for that? The loving God!

I'm not sure what your argument is here.
Are you saying that Covid19 is proof that there is no almighty God?
This sounds like the argument that evil proves there is no loving God. How is that proof? It's a belief, not proof. Surely, you know this... don't you?

Do you believe that if there is an almighty, loving creator, he must answer every "jack" that makes a request, and do every deed asked of him? Then surely you are putting your personal beliefs as true, and calling them proofs. Personal views and feelings are not proofs Aupmanyav... Surely, you must know this.
Is this not as I pointed out earlier, a case of wanting your beliefs to be true, and superior.
That's an elusive fantasy.

 

[Aupmanyav]

1. So can you be more specific, what evidence and science you are referring to,
Give me any verifiable evidence of your beliefs.

2. What else do you need besides what has been already given.
Do you deny the existence of the Biblical characters that have been verified? Do you deny the events associated with them? If not, then only you can help us to appreciate why you deny the records that reveal the association between them, and the prophets, angels and God.
Only you can explain why you deny the clear proofs that cannot be explained by any physical explanation... though only imagined.

3. Yes, many times.

4. Are you saying that Covid19 is proof that there is no almighty God?

5. Do you believe that if there is an almighty, loving creator, he must answer every "jack" that makes a request, and do every deed asked of him?

1. With respect to what should I be more specific? Kindly indicate.
2. Seen next to zilch evidence. Which of the biblical characters or incident have been verified, not even Jesus or the flood? What records are you talking about?
If it is not any physical evidence, then it cannot be classified as evidence.
3. Where? In your dreams?
4. OK, then why did your loving God allow Covid to infect "16,897,208 people and kill 663,523 (as of today and counting), mostly in countries where people worship him?
5. Something which does not exist will not give any answer, be it your God or the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Cthulhu.

 

[nPeace]

1. With respect to what should I be more specific? Kindly indicate.

You said, "...my beliefs go with evidence and science. Therefore, I am closer to mark."
I believe that was in response to my saying, "...the simple truth is... you have a belief - like everyone else. Bottom line - you do not know that what you believe is anywhere near the truth."
You must know what you meant, and why you thought it important to say, since evidence and science are not unique to people of a certain belief.
As mentioned, these are not foreign o Christian belief.

So I am asking you to be more specific, what evidence and science you are referring to.
If that's too much, or you don't know where to start, no problem. We can bypass this one.

2. Seen next to zilch evidence. Which of the biblical characters or incident have been verified, not even Jesus or the flood? What records are you talking about?

Consider just one character - Hezekiah; two events - the tunnel of Hezekiah; the attack on the cities of Judea.
If you are unfamiliar with what is known about these, please see this post.
To note...
The characters, and events were recorded, long before they were confirmed by extra-Biblical sources.
The extra-Biblical sources do not address some details in the Biblical record. For example, there is no extra-Biblical source that says why Hezekiah build the tunnel... the Biblical record does. There is no extra-Biblical source that says why Senacharib withdrew from their attack on Jerusalem, where Hezekiah resided... the Biblical record does.

So my question to you is one I have repeatedly asked without getting any response... except from myself. Why is it you accept the records made by the Assyrians, and other historical nations, but dismiss the record of the Jewish people - Israelites - especially when time after time, evidence confirms its reliability?

If it is not any physical evidence, then it cannot be classified as evidence.
3. Where? In your dreams?

You have been given physical evidence. What am I missing?
If physical evidence to you, means what you can see and touch, then why do you claim to believe in science, when much of what is presented as science, cannot be seen and touched?

4. OK, then why did your loving God allow Covid to infect "16,897,208 people and kill 663,523 (as of today and counting), mostly in countries where people worship him?
5. Something which does not exist will not give any answer, be it your God or the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Cthulhu.

Did you ask that question sincerely to get an answer, or are you just being rhetorical.
Please let me know, because it seems you have made up your mind - you think - that your viewpoint is accurate.
However, if you really want to know, the reason is given. Let me know when you dismount.

 

[Aupmanyav]

So I am asking you to be more specific, what evidence and science you are referring to.
If that's too much, or you don't know where to start, no problem. We can bypass this one.

For example, there is no extra-Biblical source that says why Hezekiah build the tunnel... the Biblical record does. There is no extra-Biblical source that says why Senacharib withdrew from their attack on Jerusalem, where Hezekiah resided... the Biblical record does.

So my question to you is one I have repeatedly asked without getting any response... except from myself. Why is it you accept the records made by the Assyrians, and other historical nations, but dismiss the record of the Jewish people - Israelites - especially when time after time, evidence confirms its reliability?

You have been given physical evidence. What am I missing?
If physical evidence to you, means what you can see and touch, then why do you claim to believe in science, when much of what is presented as science, cannot be seen and touched?

No, nPeace, my belief, like science, does not let anything bypass. As in science, I believe in chaos, randomness, relativity, quantum mechanics, probability and uncertainty.

I like to read about things rather than seeing videos. So, a tunnel and a seal was found. So what? Archaeologists have found so many things. Why would an archaeologist believe in anything beyond what he/she will find proof of. Bible is Christian book or Qur'an is a Muslim book. They would say what suits them. That is no evidence, though it should always be considered. Historical records are not the same as records in religious books. Even the historical records are not accepted without scrutiny. Perhaps the writer was trying to magnify the actions of his kings. We have so many Puranas, we don't take that as evidence of atom bombs or airplanes in stone age, or even as a proof of creation of the universe by this god or that.

 

[nPeace]

No, nPeace, my belief, like science, does not let anything bypass. As in science, I believe in chaos, randomness, relativity, quantum mechanics, probability and uncertainty.

I like to read about things rather than seeing videos. So, a tunnel and a seal was found. So what? Archaeologists have found so many things. Why would an archaeologist believe in anything beyond what he/she will find proof of. Bible is Christian book or Qur'an is a Muslim book. They would say what suits them. That is no evidence, though it should always be considered. Historical records are not the same as records in religious books. Even the historical records are not accepted without scrutiny. Perhaps the writer was trying to magnify the actions of his kings. We have so many Puranas, we don't take that as evidence of atom bombs or airplanes in stone age, or even as a proof of creation of the universe by this god or that.

Aupmanyav : I was at the Chips restaurant with a lady. I actually left my umbrella there, and I signed a check for $300 at approximately 11:30 pm..

Investigators : His story checks out. A Miss Pris was at the restaurant, at the same time, and the taxi guy pick both of them up around 11:35. The waiter produced a check with his signature, and the time stamped on is is 11:27. We also recovered a wet umbrella with his name on it.

Ruling judge: So they found a wet umbrella, and a check. So what? Off to jail with you. You are guilty as charged.

So long Aupmanyav.

 

[Aupmanyav]

So long Aupmanyav.

You have not checked your belief for 2000 years, I check mine on a daily basis.

 

[Bird123]

When do you think the human spirit enters the womb?

There is no soul so to speak. We are Spiritual beings in our true natures. That is who we are, instead of the physical body everyone seems to place so much focus. We are installed in our physical body after birth at the point when long term memories start to become possible. The interface connection is in the brain.

This happens at a very very early age. Think back really hard. What is the very first thing you remember in life? Perhaps, you knew the answer all along.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!