nPeace
Veteran Member
Evidence and science?Yeah, I do not know the whole of truth about existence, but my beliefs go with evidence and science. Therefore, I am closer to mark.
Well known adage: you can't prove negative.
I hear this often, but it's never clear, but usually just a vague repetitious expression. So can you be more specific, what evidence and science you are referring to, because I do not deny either, and neither conflicts with my beliefs.
What else do you need besides what has been already given.Give us any verifiable evidence whatsoever of God / Allah interfering with what is happening on earth, and all the related supposed paraphernalia - prophets, sons, messengers, Satan, angels, heaven, hell, judgment and deliverance.
Why should I believe on snake-oil wholesalers and retailers?
Do you deny the existence of the Biblical characters that have been verified? Do you deny the events associated with them? If not, then only you can help us to appreciate why you deny the records that reveal the association between them, and the prophets, angels and God.
Only you can explain why you deny the clear proofs that cannot be explained by any physical explanation... though only imagined.
Give me any verifiable evidence of your beliefs.
"Arguments that God does not exist:
Yed, many times.(may have been written 1500 years ago or more)
In Nyayasutra's Book 4, Chapter 1, verses 19-21, postulates God exists, states a consequence, then presents contrary evidence, and from contradiction concludes that the postulate must be invalid.
The Lord is the cause, since we see that human action lacks results.
This is not so since, as a matter of fact, no result is accomplished without human action.
Since this is efficacious, the reason lacks force.
- Nyaya Sutra, IV.1.19 - IV.1.21
A literal interpretation of the three verses suggests that Nyaya school rejected the need for a God for the efficacy of human activity. Since human action and results do not require assumption or need of the existence of God, sutra IV.1.21 is seen as a criticism of the "existence of God and theism postulate". The context of the above verses includes various efficient causes. Nyayasutra verses IV.1.22 to IV.1.24, for example, examine the hypothesis that "random chance" explains the world, after these Indian scholars had rejected God as the efficient cause."
Nyaya - Wikipedia
Have you ever seen any mountains being moved by God or his agents?
I'm not sure what your argument is here.The proof is here for all to see. 15,656,884 confirmed cases of the coronavirus COVID-19, and a death toll of 636,576 deaths (till today and counting), businesses and jobs destroyed. Hundreds of million of theists praying to God / Allah for relief. What has God done for that? The loving God!
Are you saying that Covid19 is proof that there is no almighty God?
This sounds like the argument that evil proves there is no loving God. How is that proof? It's a belief, not proof. Surely, you know this... don't you?
Do you believe that if there is an almighty, loving creator, he must answer every "jack" that makes a request, and do every deed asked of him? Then surely you are putting your personal beliefs as true, and calling them proofs. Personal views and feelings are not proofs Aupmanyav... Surely, you must know this.
Is this not as I pointed out earlier, a case of wanting your beliefs to be true, and superior.
That's an elusive fantasy.