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U.S. Catholic Church, this is unconscionable.

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
I doubt they were even the best. I'd bet a LOT of that money went to friends of Trump.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member

Was Judaism in this scheme.
Here in Australia the Govt also is giving money to churches because of Corona Virus. It is to keep the economy going here. Ministers have been getting the same sort of payments as other workers suffering because of the virus and there was even a grant to small businesses which churches got.
I was surprised.
It certainly would not be fair if only the Catholic Church go some money in the US and others missed out.
Do you think that the churches should return the money?
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Was Judaism in this scheme.
Here in Australia the Govt also is giving money to churches because of Corona Virus. It is to keep the economy going here. Ministers have been getting the same sort of payments as other workers suffering because of the virus and there was even a grant to small businesses which churches got.
I was surprised.
It certainly would not be fair if only the Catholic Church go some money in the US and others missed out.
Do you think that the churches should return the money?
The Vatican should repay it with interest because they clearly don't need it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I doubt they were even the best. I'd bet a LOT of that money went to friends of Trump.
It was free money.
It went all over the place.
Connected Pubs, connected Dems (eg, Pelosi's hubby), churches, mosques, synagogues....
It was/is a massive confetti campaign. I should'a gotten in on it, but....meh.....too lazy to apply.
And my businesses aren't suffering.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It was free money.
It went all over the place.
Connected Pubs, connected Dems (eg, Pelosi's hubby), churches, mosques, synagogues....
It was/is a massive confetti campaign. I should'a gotten in on it, but....meh.....too lazy to apply.
And my businesses aren't suffering.
Pelosi's hubby. Ohhh.... I almost had forgotten about that.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
According to the article, ‘The church’s haul may have reached — or even exceeded — $3.5 billion, making a global religious institution with more than a billion followers among the biggest winners in the U.S. government’s pandemic relief efforts,’

Have to wonder who the other big winners were and why they weren’t named
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
No, neither was Christianity. Funds go to institutions, not theologies.

I guess the Jews and Christians don't take that good of care of their secular employees as well as the Catholics?

...Nurses, doctors, professors, and subsequent staff.

This is just one of many Catholic owned non-profit hospitals:
Facts and Statistics | Ascension

Then there's DePaul, Georgetown, Loyola, LaSalle, Notre Dame, etc.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Catholic universities employ faculty and staff of all faith backgrounds.

...And these staff members pay taxes.
The Vatican doesn't need public funds. They have vast depths of wealth. That money was intended for people who need help. Now businesses without centuries of stolen and accumulated wealth are going out of business because enough is never enough to the Vatican.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
The Vatican doesn't need public funds. They have vast depths of wealth. That money was intended for people who need help. Now businesses without centuries of stolen and accumulated wealth are going out of business because enough is never enough to the Vatican.

No money is being paid to the Vatican. These are *American* employees, of no particular faith background, that will be able to keep their jobs through the Paycheck Protection Program.

We're talking about janitors, professors, nurses, food service workers, counselors, etc.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Also, @Shadow Wolf, the Vatican has one of the smallest GDP of any country in the world. Many times smaller than the United States.

FACT:
United States has a GDP of 20.54 trillion USD

Ethiopia has a GDP of 84.36 billion USD

Vatican City State has a GDP of 21 million USD
 
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amorphous_constellation

Well-Known Member
Meh, we humans are generally 'unconscionable.' We can't organize into anything without power lust from the ego-ridden primate within all of us. I guess that's why I was always interested in a religion that would really humble the ego right out of us , as abrahamic religion seems to gives us all too much power. Real contrition, in my opinion, admits that we are flawed animals, and we should question our place in the hierarchy here. Why should the throne of the earth grant itself to us, if we think ourselves worth more than sparrows?
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
The Vatican should repay it with interest because they clearly don't need it.

The Vatican has assets but I don't know how much that is or whether it is liquid assets or not.
The individual parishes and diocese are probably in a different position and rely on the contributions of parishioners for the running of the churches in their area, and that contribution has probably depleted because of the virus.
I guess the Govt must think that the ongoing viability of churches is a good thing for society or some other reason related to the economy and maybe the work that the churches do in various charitable and educational ways which the Govt may see as vital economically and in the society's interest to continue.
For the Vatican to pay back the money would probably mean a whole restructuring of the church's financial setup.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
If the Jedi religion and a satanist church got money, there's nothing wrong. Right?

I don't know the reasoning behind it. If the Jedi religion is a registered charity or employs people who have or may lose their jobs or contribute to education and charity work etc, if these are in the reasoning then they should get money also.
At the moment all I know is that the Catholic church received money because of the Corona Virus. Maybe that is all you know also. What can I say to verify that this was given justly and for good reason?
I'm in Australia and don't know much about the US politics and prejudices of the people, even if I can guess. Revoltingest in post 5 seems to know more about it that I do.
 
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