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I'm pissed off!

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
You in the US? - what about the ASPCA?

Here in the UK, the equivalent organisation would definitely be involved. The cats would receive medical care and get rehomed. The neighbour would be prosecuted - possibly resulting in a fine and banning from keeping animals. No cost, but of course donations welcome.
 
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bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Over two years ago my neighbor took in a stray cat. She didn't have the cat fixed and now she has about a dozen cats hanging around her house. Two weeks ago one of the cats was sitting under my car and I thought her leg was bad. After pulling the cat out from under my car I saw she had a distended uterus and most of her hind was infected with fly larva. I took her to the animal hospital and the vet immediately told me that the cat had to be euthanized. I paid for putting the cat down and it's cremation.

I'm pissed off because I called animal control and talked to my neighbor but nothing is being done to help these cats. Because in my district if someone takes in a stray they take ownership and my neighbor is doing nothing to take care of these cats. Animal control is doing nothing. All of them have mange and infected with fleas.

Sorry for the rant but it just pisses me off. The county nor the owner is doing anything to help them. I looked up animal rescue operations in my area and there is nothing but thrift stores who donate proceeds towards animal welfare. They do not rescue animals.

Sorry for the rant. I'm just tired of witnessing these cats starve and where I live we are not allowed to take in these cats.

I've been dealing with a neighbor that does the same. Talked with the county, SPCA and township. The township will fine her every once in a while. None of them will deal with the cats. My major complaint is the Cats use my yard as a toilet. Cat **** stinks.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I took her to the animal hospital and the vet immediately told me that the cat had to be euthanized
My father used to euthanize the animals himself. Our chickens were served for lunch, and old/sick/dying cats were killed and buried in the garden

I am surprised that Americans don't euthanize their pets themselves, is much cheaper and more practical
Remembering the Wild West, I would have thought Americans shot sick/dying cats themselves

I have not even heard of "cat cremation" in Holland. Must be a good business, we have many cats here.

Americans all have guns I read. So, I thought Americans would shoot the sick/dying cats themselves. In Holland guns are not allowed.

But it's hard because legally these are her cats.
Then better not shoot her cats.
You could ask her, if you could have them, and then you could "euthanize" them yourself.
Or is there a Law in America that you are not allowed to euthanize your pets?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
My father used to euthanize the animals himself. Our chickens were served for lunch, and old/sick/dying cats were killed and buried in the garden

I am surprised that Americans don't euthanize their pets themselves, is much cheaper and more practical
Remembering the Wild West, I would have thought Americans shot sick/dying cats themselves

I have not even heard of "cat cremation" in Holland. Must be a good business, we have many cats here.

Americans all have guns I read. So, I thought Americans would shoot the sick/dying cats themselves. In Holland guns are not allowed.

Then better not shoot her cats.
You could ask her, if you could have them, and then you could "euthanize" them yourself.
Or is there a Law in America that you are not allowed to euthanize your pets?
This is a very difficult thing to discuss on RF.
I tried once, & discovered that questionable legality in the home
state of RF prevented description of how I handled killing pests
or euthanizing critters.

Ameristan is a land of contradictions...rural vs city ways.
So many people are now entirely divorced from farming, livestock,
hunting, & rural life, that they see all animals as they would their
pets....& even view pets as akin to their children.
Such people are the majority, & determine culture & law.
Despite our gun ownership, we've reached the point where animals
should be put down by professionals. Killing is OK when impersonally
done by someone with a lab coat, a college degree, & a syringe.

Some practice the old ways, eg, if an animal is suffering, take
personal responsibility to end it as quickly & humanely as possible.
Don't prolong it by delaying the coup de grace (pardon me French).
The best legal advice is to do it quietly & privately, thereby
avoiding the unpredictable passions of the public or Johnny Law.

Disclaimer:
Let no one read this as advocating illegal behavior.
I merely observe what is, & what transpires.
But I do oppose laws that lengthen suffering.
 
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stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Thank you for your answer

So many people are now entirely divorced from farming, livestock,
hunting, & rural life, that they see all animals as they would their
pets....& even view pets as akin to their children.
Such people are the majority, & determine culture & law.
Remembering America used to be the "Land of Freedom" this is a very strange shift. Or maybe natural, first freedom now restriction. Like the tides.

Despite our gun ownership, we've reached the point where animals
should be put down by professionals.
In Holland the government earns from taxes, so I can understand they try to have every second you live be $$$-monitored by professionals. This Covid-19 is IMO a perfect example of this. This is a big step to squeeze more $$$ out of the people.

Killing is OK when impersonally
done by someone with a lab coat & a college degree, eh.
IMO: This is all about money and greediness

Some practice the old ways, eg, if an animal is suffering, take
personal responsibility to end it as quickly & humanely as possible.
Don't prolong it by delaying the coup de grace (pardon me French).
Good to hear
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Remembering America used to be the "Land of Freedom" this is a very strange shift. Or maybe natural, first freedom now restriction. Like the tides.
Liberty is a thing always under threat.
Sometimes it wins. Sometimes it loses.
In Holland the government earns from taxes, so I can understand they try to have every second you live be $$$-monitored by professionals. This Covid-19 is IMO a perfect example of this. This is a big step to squeeze more $$$ out of the people.

IMO: This is all about money and greediness
I see it as queasiness about death.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
they see all animals as they would their
pets....& even view pets as akin to their children.

I don't know if I'm one of your "they" but I possibly am. In which case: personally I do not see all animals as I do my pets. Regarding children, I have none. My comment on that would be I find it tactless and callous (and indicative) when a person basically says to someone who has just lost a beloved pet "Oh dear. Will you be having another one?" as if they had just had a bicycle stolen. No one would dream of saying that to a parent who had lost a child. I'm not saying people should see equivalence, but to me, that attitude contributes to the neglect and mistreatment of pets, being seen as expendable and easily replaceable.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I don't know if I'm one of your "they" but I possibly am.
I didn't have you in mind at all...or anyone on RF in particular.
In which case: personally I do not see all animals as I do my pets. Regarding children, I have none. My comment on that would be I find it tactless and callous (and indicative) when a person basically says to someone who has just lost a beloved pet "Oh dear. Will you be having another one?" as if they had just had a bicycle stolen. No one would dream of saying that to a parent who had lost a child. I'm not saying people should see equivalence, but to me, that attitude contributes to the neglect and mistreatment of pets, being seen as expendable and easily replaceable.
You're avoiding my observations about why we have dysfunctional
attitudes about death & dying. .
1) We oppose assisted suicide, thereby keeping people in pain alive
against their wishes.
2) We cannot ourselves quickly dispatch a suffering animal, but must
instead transport it to a government approved euthanizer. Id est, killing
is OK, but it must be done according to ritual, even if it means more suffering.

Who is really "callous"?
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
Yes, we can discuss this. :D

(I didn't really think you had me in mind).

You're avoiding my observations about why we have dysfunctional
attitudes about death & dying.

I may not have responded, but I wasn't intentionally avoiding. :)

1) We oppose assisted suicide, thereby keeping people in pain alive
against their wishes.

I am very much in favour of assisted suicide.

2) We cannot ourselves quickly dispatch a suffering animal, but must
instead transport it to a government approved euthanizer. Id est, killing
is OK, but it must be done according to ritual, even if it means more suffering.

If this was sanctioned for the public to do it would open the floodgates for all sorts of abuse. Perhaps you can tell if an animal is in great suffering that cannot be helped or is in a terminal decline and be able to kill it quickly and humanely but clearly to make this legally acceptable for the general public would be the green light to abuse and unnecessary killing imo. There are plenty of cruel people in the world to ensure that would happen. It's got nothing to do with ritual. Vets are the professionals who know if an animal's life can be saved (and to consider the quality of life that may be possible). If euthanasia is agreed to be the best option, the public know it is done as humanely as possible. I have personal experiences of this.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I am very much in favour of assisted suicide.
Woohoo!
If this was sanctioned for the public to do it would open the floodgates for all sorts of abuse.
I really doubt that.
Abusing animals is very different from putting one down.
And people who abuse animals are already doing that in violation of the law.
Perhaps you can tell if an animal is in great suffering that cannot be helped or is in a terminal decline and be able to kill it quickly and humanely but clearly to make this legally acceptable for the general public would be the green light to abuse and unnecessary killing imo. There are plenty of cruel people in the world to ensure that would happen. It's got nothing to do with ritual. Vets are the professionals who know if an animal's life can be saved (and to consider the quality of life that may be possible). If euthanasia is agreed to be the best option, the public know it is done as humanely as possible. I have personal experiences of this.
As with all things where people take personal responsibility,
there are risks of bad judgement. But there are also benefits
of good judgment. Note that it's legal & widely accepted for
hunters to quickly kill prey which suffers pain.
I prefer more personal responsibility to excessive (IMO)
government control.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
Note that it's legal & widely accepted for
hunters to quickly kill prey which suffers pain.
Let's not cast this net any wider!

When you say "government control" - how do you relate this to vets? The vets are not agents of the government, unless it is different in the US?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Let's not cast this net any wider!

When you say "government control" - how do you relate this to vets? The vets are not agents of the government, unless it is different in the US?
Not agents, but then I said "government approved" (licensed),
ie, they're in no possible hot water for putting down animals.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
Not agents, but then I said "government approved" (licensed),
ie, they're in no possible hot water for putting down animals.
Why would they be? There will be professional standards to adhere to. Failure to would surely lead to serious action. Pet owners would not be silent. Perhaps I'm missing your point?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Why would they be? There will be professional standards to adhere to. Failure to would surely lead to serious action. Pet owners would not be silent. Perhaps I'm missing your point?
The point was that I corrected your term "agent".
I don't believe that vets act on behalf of government.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
I'm just tired of witnessing these cats starve and where I live we are not allowed to take in these cats.

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