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No Oglala Sioux welcome mat for the Donald, tomorrow.

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Well maybe Trump can go through the rite of passage and get hung by his nipples.

... or was that another Nation I was thinking about.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Only a hard-hearted person would be unmoved by this.

Thank you for posting it.
I agree with the Sioux Nation that Mount Rushmore shouldn't be there considering many of their dead are buried there.

I would as a gesture if I had the power, to simply let nature take back and claim Rushmore via its own course by just not maintaining Mount Rushmore anymore and just letting it erode away to its own natural rock face. It would be a way of letting the wound heal.

I think nature is characteristically more beautiful and significant of a Nation when it's not recklessly carved by tools and utensils.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
I agree with the Sioux Nation that Mount Rushmore shouldn't be there considering many of their dead are buried there.

I would as a gesture if I had the power, to simply let nature take back and claim Rushmore via its own course by just not maintaining Mount Rushmore anymore and just letting it erode away to its own natural rock face. It would be a way of letting the wound heal.

I think nature is characteristically more beautiful and significant of a Nation when it's not recklessly carved by tools and utensils.

It would be kind of symbolic. Nice thought.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
I agree with the Sioux Nation that Mount Rushmore shouldn't be there considering many of their dead are buried there.

I would as a gesture if I had the power, to simply let nature take back and claim Rushmore via its own course by just not maintaining Mount Rushmore anymore and just letting it erode away to its own natural rock face. It would be a way of letting the wound heal.

I think nature is characteristically more beautiful and significant of a Nation when it's not recklessly carved by tools and utensils.

I agree with most of this, except the erosion part. The site was chosen for it's tough granite. The faces will be there for centuries, representing the hideously genocidal culture that destroyed the Sioux Nation. And it hasn't even got any historical significance really, it was carved as tourist attraction.

I'd say give it back, with no conditions, and let the rightful owners decide how to deal with that monumental piece of vandalism.
Tom
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
I agree with most of this, except the erosion part. The site was chosen for it's tough granite. The faces will be there for centuries, representing the hideously genocidal culture that destroyed the Sioux Nation. And it hasn't even got any historical significance really, it was carved as tourist attraction.

I'd say give it back, with no conditions, and let the rightful owners decide how to deal with that monumental piece of vandalism.
Tom

The monument has been there for almost a hundred years. Looks like someone would have spoke up before now...oh, wait...I get it...it's Trump's fault.
 

columbus

yawn <ignore> yawn
The monument has been there for almost a hundred years. Looks like someone would have spoke up before now...oh, wait...I get it...it's Trump's fault.
Not everyone is quite that partisan.

The vandalism of that mountain has been an issue since the planning stages. But back then, genocide wasn't really considered a big deal by white folks. And they were all that mattered.

Tom
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Not everyone is quite that partisan.

The vandalism of that mountain has been an issue since the planning stages. But back then, genocide wasn't really considered a big deal by white folks. And they were all that mattered.

Tom

If only....
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The monument has been there for almost a hundred years. Looks like someone would have spoke up before now...oh, wait...I get it...it's Trump's fault.
I'm sorry, but you don't think anyone has complained until now?

In 1927, with a history of turmoil as a background, a white man living in Connecticut came into the Black Hills and dynamited and drilled the faces of four white men onto Mount Rushmore. At the outset of the project, Gutzon Borglum had persuaded South Dakota state historian Doane Robinson the presidents would give the work national significance, rejecting Robinson's initial suggestion that the sculpture honor the West's greatest heroes, both Native Americans and pioneers.

The insult of Rushmore to some Sioux is at least three-fold:

1. It was built on land the government took from them.
2. The Black Hills in particular are considered sacred ground.
3.The monument celebrates the European settlers who killed so many Native Americans and appropriated their land.

To counter the white faces of Rushmore, in 1939 Sioux Chief Henry Standing Bear invited sculptor Korczak Ziolkowski, who worked briefly at Rushmore, to carve a memorial to the Sioux nation in the Black Hills. Perhaps wary of Borglum's troubles with financial administrators, Ziolkowski personally bought a mountain top with a granite ridge and financed the entire project privately. The statue, envisioned as a freestanding sculpture of the great Sioux chief Crazy Horse, will be much larger than any of the Rushmore figures. Korczak Ziolkowski died in 1982, but his family continues to work on this awesome undertaking; Crazy Horse's face was completed and dedicated in 1998. Although the subject of this work addresses one aspect of Rushmore's offenses, the land is still considered Sioux property, and the mountain that the Ziolkowskis are carving is still sacred. The Crazy Horse monument is not without its own dissenters and critics.
Native Americans and Mount Rushmore | American Experience | PBS
 
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