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Massive star two and a half MILLION times as bright as sun...vanishes

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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Probably not wrong. As the article you mentions and neatly summarizes for me: "Scientists think this could indicate that the star became less bright and partially obscured by dust. An alternative explanation is that the star collapsed into a black hole without producing a supernova." Nothing here screams wrong, only unaccounted for.

That's the nature of science. It appears to me that you seem to have an issue with uncertainties perhaps?
Yep I heard about novaless collapses of stars. Apparently according to science articles I came across, this would be the second time that it happened if it's determined to be the case.

It's pretty fascinating.
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
Those who are familiar with the fables from science would know that feeling. I suppose some are so used to eating cow dung that if anything else were served they would flee.

Let me know when you've got more than feeble attempts to be witty, okay?
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
That depends on what we determine reason by.. If we assumed the star was really that big and far away and had come to exist as science says and etc we might think a black hole was the explanation.

If we were looking at a created universe with stars made by God, we would not automatically assume that a star that ceased to give light to us on earth was truly gone. We might assume that maybe God wanted it's light to not reach us for at least a time.The stars were, after all made for signs for us here on earth!
Well, I will say this in agreement, that, although Jehovah God is not controlling this planet right now (as we determine from Scriptures such as Isaiah 11:9, Matthew 6:9-10 & Revelation 11:18), God could still be exerting control over the Universe....but for what purpose, I'm not sure. Unless, it's to begin fulfilling Jesus' prophecy of the End, at Like 21 esp.vs. 25....."signs in the Sun, moon and stars"; there certainly is "anguish of nations"!

Here's something you might like: explanation of the "roaring of the sea" (Luke 21:25).... Tie in Isaiah 57:20.
 
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exchemist

Veteran Member
Naturally, science is clueless as to why.

"From 2001 to 2011, the light from the galaxy consistently showed evidence that it hosted a 'luminous blue variable' star some 2.5 million times brighter than the Sun. Stars of this type are unstable, showing occasional dramatic shifts in their spectra and brightness. Even with those shifts, luminous blue variables leave specific traces scientists can identify, but they were absent from the data the team collected in 2019, leaving them to wonder what had happened to the star. "It would be highly unusual for such a massive star to disappear without producing a bright supernova explosion," says Allan."

A cosmic mystery: ESO telescope captures the disappearance of a massive star

Could it be their theories are wrong?

Ha
Naturally.

But God did it of course.

Why?

Ah, we are not to ask such questions.

Great, that explains it all, then.

:rolleyes:
 

PruePhillip

Well-Known Member
Naturally, science is clueless as to why.

"From 2001 to 2011, the light from the galaxy consistently showed evidence that it hosted a 'luminous blue variable' star some 2.5 million times brighter than the Sun. Stars of this type are unstable, showing occasional dramatic shifts in their spectra and brightness. Even with those shifts, luminous blue variables leave specific traces scientists can identify, but they were absent from the data the team collected in 2019, leaving them to wonder what had happened to the star. "It would be highly unusual for such a massive star to disappear without producing a bright supernova explosion," says Allan."

A cosmic mystery: ESO telescope captures the disappearance of a massive star

Could it be their theories are wrong?

Ha

The funny thing - SCIENTISTS WOULD LIKE TO BE WRONG. IT MEANS THERE NEW
SCIENCE OUT THERE TO DISCOVER.

But... it's probably swallowed by a black hole or something...
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
When a male thinks and claims he is informed, then he designs a machine and then as soon as he owns the control of the button pushing, then the response should be exactly what he claims, seeing he invented design as a machine with a formula.

If it did not work it is titled an experiment and then he is meant to claim I was wrong....if he is a scientist.

If he is not a scientist, and just an egotist, he will never claim he is wrong, for his group mentality is to own control coerce and force....always was.

Hence his own mentality was already prophecised and warned about when the man of the apostasy those who pretend that God by the teachings God stone philosophy does not exist in a thesis.

THE ST one.

I, symbolism in science was the intensity of magnetisation equalled one/stone by the gases of the ST....which is AIN 0 zero cold empty space/pressure oblivion.

Oblivion he said by being natural zero, cold zero, empty zero and pressure oblivion owned stone.

Stone created its owned light burning gases....why you are all wrong.

THE ST
THE I ST….about one information.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In theory, yes. Theory only observed and tested in this fishbowl of the solar system and area. While some observations from deep space are thought to confirm aspects of GR, that could not be said to be true if distances were not known. Distances in far space are not known. So you don't have the math.
Distances in space can indeed be calculated.
But tis true that I personally don't have the math.
That's @Polymath257's department.
 
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Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Distances in space can indeed be calculated.
But tis true that I personally don't have the math.
That's @Polymath257's department.

For close stars, it is simple parallax. And since the angles are so small, the actual math is very simple.

For more distant stars, there are a variety of methods. For something like the case of the OP, it is more a matter of finding the distance to the galaxy the star is in. This is usually done by finding the red shift and using the (known) relation between red shift and distance.

In response to the OP, of course some of our theories could be wrong. In this case, we have a phenomenon for which we don't have an explanation. That is a *good* thing: it gives us another opportunity to learn more about the universe.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
For close stars, it is simple parallax. And since the angles are so small, the actual math is very simple.

For more distant stars, there are a variety of methods. For something like the case of the OP, it is more a matter of finding the distance to the galaxy the star is in. This is usually done by finding the red shift and using the (known) relation between red shift and distance.

In response to the OP, of course some of our theories could be wrong. In this case, we have a phenomenon for which we don't have an explanation. That is a *good* thing: it gives us another opportunity to learn more about the universe.
I suspect that the only thing acceptable to some people will be
actually extending a giant tape measure from Earth to the star
in question. Anything less is "just a theory".
 

ecco

Veteran Member
Right, I notice how they grab a few articles of faith from their little theory bag to use to possibly explain one of the most massive stars in the area up and disappearing! The choice they forgot to offer us was 'maybe our whole darn faith based, godless methods of modelling God's creation are wrong'.

No. If God created the stars and everything, then the ideas science uses to explain it all would be wrong. He did. They are.

So, your solution to the mystery is that God made the star disappear. Now, let's hear your religious theory as to why and/or how God made the star disappear.

If you cannot, then it becomes obvious that: Naturally, science Dad is clueless as to why.

Maybe I can give you a path to explore. Your God needed to eliminate the distant start in order to get the stuff He needed to make a deadly virus.
 

dad

Undefeated
I thought you were aware that you're posting in a public forum and that anyone is welcome to respond. So sorry if you're ignorant about that as well.
You misunderstand. If God wanted us to know how He created it all, we would know, so since He did not it is not our business. That includes science, and you and I. Nothing to do with posting or forums.


Except that there are plenty of devout Christians who not only agree with but have helped to develop and verify the model for stellar creation.

Many of them might help develop star war type weapons also, so? It doesn't matter what personal beliefs exist, the point is that if they promote the belief based fables of science they are pushing falsehood. Not only that but falsehood that diametrically opposes the truth as revealed by God.

We've seen suns form and we have a pretty good idea of HOW it happens.
We have seen babies form and have a pretty good idea how it happens. That does not mean there was no creation, and that reproduction is not part of that creation! If the stars recycle or have new birth and death, so what? That does not mean all stars were made that way! Then there is the question of what is really born out there or not. If you just observed a system for say, 20 years, and have claims that a star was born a million years ago there, or that one will be born in a million years, that is worthless.



We've seen islands form due to volcanic activity and we know HOW it happens.
So what? If molten rock was also formed in a different nature (different melt points and properties) then we could have had stuff made that is NOT how it happens today! You need to stick to what is known and observed. If we saw an island formed in the last few hundred years for example, great. We know how it formed. That does not give you cart-blanche to claim all similar looking islands formed that way. In the same way just because we see that people only live a hundred years now does not mean Noah lived a hundred years also.

IF there is a god then he CLEARLY does want humans to figure out HOW he creates a whole bunch of stuff.
He says He will show us if we ask. He never said godless proud men in their own wisdom could know it all.

YOUR God wanted us to know enough about HIS creation of electrons that HE allowed us to figure out HOW they work enough so that you can use a computer.
Big deal. He also allowed us to know how to light a campfire, harness power from water, and many other things about life on earth. That does not mean your blind faith conjecture on origins has any merit whatsoever.

Why are you SO threatened by the notion that we have a pretty god idea about how YOUR GOD goes about creating stars?
I am not threatened by lies. I threaten lies.
 

dad

Undefeated
If that's true, [he] dang sure ain't sharing it with you!
Since origin so called sciences are lies and deceit, why would He share that with anyone?


Ah, so that's what [he] meant when [he] said [he] didn't do science! [He] even considered using Lego blocks to make Eve!
No. He did not work that way.

I bet the snake was the one who pointed out that wasn't going to work.
The Serpent lied to man. He tried to get us to doubt the creator. Science does the exact same thing. Coincidence?
 

dad

Undefeated
At least you are consistently ignorant and obtuse. Have fun playing on your computer run by those 'magical' electrons whose properties change over the years, depending on what childish argument you're attempting to make about your god. .
Dishonest canard and strawman argument. Whatever we play with in the fishbowl has to do with how things work here.
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
You misunderstand. If God wanted us to know how He created it all, we would know, so since He did not it is not our business. That includes science, and you and I. Nothing to do with posting or forums.




Many of them might help develop star war type weapons also, so? It doesn't matter what personal beliefs exist, the point is that if they promote the belief based fables of science they are pushing falsehood. Not only that but falsehood that diametrically opposes the truth as revealed by God.

We have seen babies form and have a pretty good idea how it happens. That does not mean there was no creation, and that reproduction is not part of that creation! If the stars recycle or have new birth and death, so what? That does not mean all stars were made that way! Then there is the question of what is really born out there or not. If you just observed a system for say, 20 years, and have claims that a star was born a million years ago there, or that one will be born in a million years, that is worthless.



So what? If molten rock was also formed in a different nature (different melt points and properties) then we could have had stuff made that is NOT how it happens today! You need to stick to what is known and observed. If we saw an island formed in the last few hundred years for example, great. We know how it formed. That does not give you cart-blanche to claim all similar looking islands formed that way. In the same way just because we see that people only live a hundred years now does not mean Noah lived a hundred years also.

He says He will show us if we ask. He never said godless proud men in their own wisdom could know it all.

Big deal. He also allowed us to know how to light a campfire, harness power from water, and many other things about life on earth. That does not mean your blind faith conjecture on origins has any merit whatsoever.

I am not threatened by lies. I threaten lies.

ROFL... you're just FULL of unsubstantiated claims, aren't you? But I guess that's about all you've got top argue with. So sad.
 

dad

Undefeated
Well, I will say this in agreement, that, although Jehovah God is not controlling this planet right now (as we determine from Scriptures such as Isaiah 11:9, Matthew 6:9-10 & Revelation 11:18), God could still be exerting control over the Universe....but for what purpose, I'm not sure.

Not sure how those verses apply to God having set up nature. Isa 11 for example is prophesy.


Unless, it's to begin fulfilling Jesus' prophecy of the End, at Like 21 esp.vs. 25....."signs in the Sun, moon and stars"; there certainly is "anguish of nations"!

The heavens are Thine, the earth also is Thine; The world and all it contains, Thou hast founded them (Psalm 89:11).

It sounds like God set it all up.


Here's something you might like: explanation of the "roaring of the sea" (Luke 21:25).... Tie in Isaiah 57:20.

Luke is once again prophesy. Yes there will be signs in the heaven, In the very end, the stars all go out for example.
 

dad

Undefeated
Naturally.

But God did it of course.

Why?

Ah, we are not to ask such questions.

Great, that explains it all, then.

:rolleyes:
Ecc 8:17
Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea further; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.

Don't blame me.
 
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