Massive star two and a half MILLION times as bright as sun...vanishes

[dad]

Science is clueless because science never had the answers. But regular people can sense it.

Some regular people perhaps.

Revelation 6:13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind.

(You notice they say unripe. "Ripe" stars are those who go nova/supernova. Stars aren't supposed to just... quit)

When the stars all get rolled up like a blind one day, it won't be because anything went supernova.

 

[dad]

Science was once unable to create a flying machine too.
There were a lot of false starts, and some painful corrections.

Science is a process, not a result.

Science is still unable to get out of the fishbowl. Go figure.

 

[sun rise]

Since you are so against science, how is it that you use the products of science such as a computer, phone, internet, refrigerator, car and so forth. You are proving by your actions that your beliefs are false. Because if science is false, the products of science are also false.

 

[blü 2]

Naturally, science is clueless as to why.

"From 2001 to 2011, the light from the galaxy consistently showed evidence that it hosted a 'luminous blue variable' star some 2.5 million times brighter than the Sun. Stars of this type are unstable, showing occasional dramatic shifts in their spectra and brightness. Even with those shifts, luminous blue variables leave specific traces scientists can identify, but they were absent from the data the team collected in 2019, leaving them to wonder what had happened to the star. "It would be highly unusual for such a massive star to disappear without producing a bright supernova explosion," says Allan."

A cosmic mystery: ESO telescope captures the disappearance of a massive star

Could it be their theories are wrong?

Ha

I asked God what had happened here.

[He] replied, and I quote, "What? How the hell would I know? I don't do science!"

 

[dad]

I asked God what had happened here.

[He] replied, and I quote, "What? How the hell would I know? I don't do science!"

Try asking the right God.

 

[dad]

Since you are so against science, how is it that you use the products of science such as a computer, phone, internet, refrigerator, car and so forth. You are proving by your actions that your beliefs are false. Because if science is false, the products of science are also false.

Me against science?? You kidding? I am against fables and lies being offered as science falsely.

 

[blü 2]

Try asking the right God.

You mean you have more than one?

What do they say is the scientific explanation?

 

[Tiberius]

Once we see that a belief based story is wrong, I see no need to scurry to find some other story. I like God's story of creation. It ain't going nowhere.
Oh, and do explain how not knowing what time itself is like in the far universe makes it a 'different state universe'?? (or do you just like to misrepresent people?)

Here we go, the same old tired points brought out again.

No evidence at all to support your own claims, and you also think that providing evidence for your position means demanding that I back up mine, as though disproving mine somehow means yours is proven.

Your reasoning skills are just as good as they always have been - and that is "not very".

 

[Tiberius]

Couldn't last the first round eh. No problem.

I think it's more a case of not wanting to sit at the table when cow pats are the only thing being served.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Naturally, science is clueless as to why.

"From 2001 to 2011, the light from the galaxy consistently showed evidence that it hosted a 'luminous blue variable' star some 2.5 million times brighter than the Sun. Stars of this type are unstable, showing occasional dramatic shifts in their spectra and brightness. Even with those shifts, luminous blue variables leave specific traces scientists can identify, but they were absent from the data the team collected in 2019, leaving them to wonder what had happened to the star. "It would be highly unusual for such a massive star to disappear without producing a bright supernova explosion," says Allan."

A cosmic mystery: ESO telescope captures the disappearance of a massive star

Could it be their theories are wrong?

Ha

A star emitting that much energy? And unstable? Then it disappeared?
It’s reasonable to assume it caved in and formed a black hole.

 

[dad]

You mean you have more than one?

What do they say is the scientific explanation?

No, but my God knows all about science. He no more would use the scientific concepts for explaining creation than He would use legos for making Eve.

 

[rational experiences]

Earth owns a blue light sky, and humans claim that it went dark in day time.

Might that be relevant to a claim that the origin of space is cold and empty and oblivion and space irradiated owns mass. Hence if cold space, oblivion decides to change you....which is not a decision, for I own thinking, why our brother is wrong....for who determines you are right for thinking about it?

Only your own group coercive self does. Why single selves join into groups to gain group support. Therefore when you exist in natural form single, you have a lesser opportunity for speaking on behalf of natural versus biblical and also science groups as they are more powerful than the individual, although they live as the same human equal as that single self.

Ever wonder why you all get destroyed?

 

[QuestioningMind]

Not at all. There is a plethora of reasons I think that the standard model for stellar evolution is wrong. The massive star claimed to be 2 and a half million times brighter than the sun up and disappearing totally is just one indication in the news.

You are one of those people pretending (or ignorant enough to actually believe) that computers have anything to do with stellar evolution. That's all we need to know.

Not at all. There is a plethora of reasons I think that the standard model for stellar evolution is wrong. The massive star claimed to be 2 and a half million times brighter than the sun up and disappearing totally is just one indication in the news.

Thanks for demonstrating your complete ignorance. You're the ONLY one who thinks that this star has just totally disappeared. Science is a process that you simply don't have the patience to comprehend.

You are one of those people pretending (or ignorant enough to actually believe) that computers have anything to do with stellar evolution. That's all we need to know.

Try and keep up, dad... we're talking about your total disdain for the scientific method. The same scientific method that enabled scientists to figure out how electrons work so you can use a computer is the EXACT SAME scientific method used is all other hard sciences, like chemistry, geology, biology, and astronomy, and physics.... You can't just decide I accept the scientific method when it comes to figuring out how electrons work and then claim it's some sort of a scam when the exact same scientific method is used in an area of science that you happen to have some sort of bizarre bias against.

 

[dad]

A star emitting that much energy? And unstable? Then it disappeared?
It’s reasonable to assume it caved in and formed a black hole.

That depends on what we determine reason by.. If we assumed the star was really that big and far away and had come to exist as science says and etc we might think a black hole was the explanation.

If we were looking at a created universe with stars made by God, we would not automatically assume that a star that ceased to give light to us on earth was truly gone. We might assume that maybe God wanted it's light to not reach us for at least a time.The stars were, after all made for signs for us here on earth!

 

[dad]

I think it's more a case of not wanting to sit at the table when cow pats are the only thing being served.

Those who are familiar with the fables from science would know that feeling. I suppose some are so used to eating cow dung that if anything else were served they would flee.

 

[dad]

Not at all. There is a plethora of reasons I think that the standard model for stellar evolution is wrong. The massive star claimed to be 2 and a half million times brighter than the sun up and disappearing totally is just one indication in the news.

Thanks for demonstrating your complete ignorance. You're the ONLY one who thinks that this star has just totally disappeared. Science is a process that you simply don't have the patience to comprehend.

Actually I just pointed out they they claim they can't find it anymore. I never said I thought it went away forever.

Try and keep up, dad... we're talking about your total disdain for the scientific method.

No. We are not. But you may have noticed that is do not suffer fools gladly, or false fables from fools gladly. (sorry if you though that was real science)

The same scientific method that enabled scientists to figure out how electrons work so you can use a computer is the EXACT SAME scientific method used is all other hard sciences,

Rubbish. Prove electrons in the time of dinosaurs operated under the same laws? Prove that electrons in deep space operate the same?

like chemistry, geology, biology, and astronomy, and physics...

All relegated to the fishbowl also. What about them?


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You can't just decide I accept the scientific method when it comes to figuring out how electrons work and then claim it's some sort of a scam when the exact same scientific method is used in an area of science that you happen to have some sort of bizarre bias against.

You can't claim electrons in Noah's day obeyed the same forces and laws. Nor can you claim electrons are a result of some hot soup expansion that made the universe, etc.
Electricity and etc work fine right now on earth and it is here, in this time that we have computers. They do not help your religion.

 

[QuestioningMind]

You thought that was your business? Well, anyone with a belief in God would know that the 'how' proposed by science is wrong in the extreme. If God wanted to reveal how He created it all, He would have done so. That basically makes it none of your business!


Threatened? Ha. Disgusted and wishing to expose the lie would be more accurate. Are you threatened by Mother Goose tales? Don't flatter yourself.

Then you have no contact with reality. God already settled that question thousands of years ago, He said that despite all the learning of man they can never come to a knowledge of the truth.

You thought that was your business?

I thought you were aware that you're posting in a public forum and that anyone is welcome to respond. So sorry if you're ignorant about that as well.

Well, anyone with a belief in God would know that the 'how' proposed by science is wrong in the extreme. If God wanted to reveal how He created it all, He would have done so. That basically makes it none of your business!

Except that there are plenty of devout Christians who not only agree with but have helped to develop and verify the model for stellar creation. We've seen suns form and we have a pretty good idea of HOW it happens. We've seen islands form due to volcanic activity and we know HOW it happens. Atmospheric activity can create thunder storms and we have a very good idea of HOW it happens. IF there is a god then he CLEARLY does want humans to figure out HOW he creates a whole bunch of stuff. YOUR God wanted us to know enough about HIS creation of electrons that HE allowed us to figure out HOW they work enough so that you can use a computer.

Why are you SO threatened by the notion that we have a pretty god idea about how YOUR GOD goes about creating stars?

 

[blü 2]

No, but my God knows all about science.

If that's true, [he] dang sure ain't sharing it with you!

He no more would use the scientific concepts for explaining creation than He would use legos for making Eve.

Ah, so that's what [he] meant when [he] said [he] didn't do science! [He] even considered using Lego blocks to make Eve!

I bet the snake was the one who pointed out that wasn't going to work.

 

[QuestioningMind]

Actually I just pointed out they they claim they can't find it anymore. I never said I thought it went away forever.

No. We are not. But you may have noticed that is do not suffer fools gladly, or false fables from fools gladly. (sorry if you though that was real science)


Rubbish. Prove electrons in the time of dinosaurs operated under the same laws? Prove that electrons in deep space operate the same?

All relegated to the fishbowl also. What about them?


. You can't claim electrons in Noah's day obeyed the same forces and laws. Nor can you claim electrons are a result of some hot soup expansion that made the universe, etc.
Electricity and etc work fine right now on earth and it is here, in this time that we have computers. They do not help your religion.

At least you are consistently ignorant and obtuse. Have fun playing on your computer run by those 'magical' electrons whose properties change over the years, depending on what childish argument you're attempting to make about your god.

But you may have noticed that is do not suffer fools gladly

In that case, I can't imagine how you manage to live with yourself.

 

[Twilight Hue]

No. If God created the stars and everything, then the ideas science uses to explain it all would be wrong. He did. They are.

A mental puppet cannot do that.