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Massive star two and a half MILLION times as bright as sun...vanishes

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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
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That was not the question. The issue is not what goes on in the little Vegas of the area of this solar system. What happens in that Vegas stays in Vegas.
Oh, well...I tried.
Stellar evolution is very much related to General Relativity (GR).
The question was what actual useful machine or invention or anything at all in the real world here on earth is only due to theories of the BB, or stellar evolution or the cosmological model, etc?
LIGO is due to the cosmological model (based upon GR).
It's a useful tool to observe colliding black holes.
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Rather than suggesting some aspect of their belief system were wrong, I asked if possibly it is basically a flawed method of interpreting creation, period. If the standard model and stellar evolution etc are fatally flawed concepts, we we expect predictions and expectations to routinely be in error. We do.

So you think that the scientific method is a flawed method for determining how the universe functions. And you've decided that the standard model for stellar evolution is fatally flawed, simply due to the fact that there is a single bright star that suddenly dimmed and we have yet to find an explanation for it.

Okay, thanks for clarifying. You're one of those people who uses computer technology to communicate on this site who doesn't believe in the scientific method. That's about all I needed to know.
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
Naturally, science is clueless as to why.

"From 2001 to 2011, the light from the galaxy consistently showed evidence that it hosted a 'luminous blue variable' star some 2.5 million times brighter than the Sun. Stars of this type are unstable, showing occasional dramatic shifts in their spectra and brightness. Even with those shifts, luminous blue variables leave specific traces scientists can identify, but they were absent from the data the team collected in 2019, leaving them to wonder what had happened to the star. "It would be highly unusual for such a massive star to disappear without producing a bright supernova explosion," says Allan."

A cosmic mystery: ESO telescope captures the disappearance of a massive star

Could it be their theories are wrong?

Ha

Well then, dad, how about you put your money where your mouth is and show us how your different state past/different state distant universe idea can provide an explanation.
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
No. If God created the stars and everything, then the ideas science uses to explain it all would be wrong. He did. They are.

He did. They Are.

You missed the HOW part, silly. THAT'S what science tries to explain... HOW did the stars get created. IF your god did the creating, why are you SO VERY threatened by science trying to figure how how it was done? The only reason I can think of is that you're scared to death that if science figures out exactly HOW it was done that they might also find evidence that there was no god involved in creating them.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Naturally, science is clueless as to why.

"From 2001 to 2011, the light from the galaxy consistently showed evidence that it hosted a 'luminous blue variable' star some 2.5 million times brighter than the Sun. Stars of this type are unstable, showing occasional dramatic shifts in their spectra and brightness. Even with those shifts, luminous blue variables leave specific traces scientists can identify, but they were absent from the data the team collected in 2019, leaving them to wonder what had happened to the star. "It would be highly unusual for such a massive star to disappear without producing a bright supernova explosion," says Allan."

A cosmic mystery: ESO telescope captures the disappearance of a massive star

Could it be their theories are wrong?

Ha
I find it hard to believe that some scientist somewhere wouldn't speculate that perhaps maybe, opaque matter had obscured the light at some point?
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Naturally, science is clueless as to why.

"From 2001 to 2011, the light from the galaxy consistently showed evidence that it hosted a 'luminous blue variable' star some 2.5 million times brighter than the Sun. Stars of this type are unstable, showing occasional dramatic shifts in their spectra and brightness. Even with those shifts, luminous blue variables leave specific traces scientists can identify, but they were absent from the data the team collected in 2019, leaving them to wonder what had happened to the star. "It would be highly unusual for such a massive star to disappear without producing a bright supernova explosion," says Allan."

A cosmic mystery: ESO telescope captures the disappearance of a massive star

Could it be their theories are wrong?

Ha

Science is clueless because science never had the answers. But regular people can sense it.

The Stars Are Going Out - TV Tropes

Revelation 6:13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs dropping from a tree shaken by a great wind.

(You notice they say unripe. "Ripe" stars are those who go nova/supernova. Stars aren't supposed to just... quit)

theendisnearish.jpg
 

dad

Undefeated
Oh, well...I tried.
Stellar evolution is very much related to General Relativity (GR).
In theory, yes. Theory only observed and tested in this fishbowl of the solar system and area. While some observations from deep space are thought to confirm aspects of GR, that could not be said to be true if distances were not known. Distances in far space are not known. So you don't have the math.

LIGO is due to the cosmological model (based upon GR).
It's a useful tool to observe colliding black holes.

It observes ripples in space time in the fishbowl.
 

dad

Undefeated
God created the stars and everything as science has explained it. Science explains the how of creation.
No. Science uses beliefs for all explanations of what the stars are all about. Nothing else. The belief based models they preach are absolutely different than Scripture.
 

dad

Undefeated
So you think that the scientific method is a flawed method for determining how the universe functions. And you've decided that the standard model for stellar evolution is fatally flawed, simply due to the fact that there is a single bright star that suddenly dimmed and we have yet to find an explanation for it.
Not at all. There is a plethora of reasons I think that the standard model for stellar evolution is wrong. The massive star claimed to be 2 and a half million times brighter than the sun up and disappearing totally is just one indication in the news.

Okay, thanks for clarifying. You're one of those people who uses computer technology to communicate on this site who doesn't believe in the scientific method. That's about all I needed to know.
You are one of those people pretending (or ignorant enough to actually believe) that computers have anything to do with stellar evolution. That's all we need to know.
 

dad

Undefeated
It would be better if you tried to demonstrate that with some facts, rather than state it as a bald assertion.

But of course, how could you? :rolleyes:
Well, the OP claims that the star has vanished, basically. Have you some bald face assertion that it didn't?
 

dad

Undefeated
Well then, dad, how about you put your money where your mouth is and show us how your different state past/different state distant universe idea can provide an explanation.

Once we see that a belief based story is wrong, I see no need to scurry to find some other story. I like God's story of creation. It ain't going nowhere.
Oh, and do explain how not knowing what time itself is like in the far universe makes it a 'different state universe'?? (or do you just like to misrepresent people?)
 

dad

Undefeated
You missed the HOW part, silly. THAT'S what science tries to explain... HOW did the stars get created.
You thought that was your business? Well, anyone with a belief in God would know that the 'how' proposed by science is wrong in the extreme. If God wanted to reveal how He created it all, He would have done so. That basically makes it none of your business!

IF your god did the creating, why are you SO VERY threatened by science trying to figure how how it was done?
Threatened? Ha. Disgusted and wishing to expose the lie would be more accurate. Are you threatened by Mother Goose tales? Don't flatter yourself.

The only reason I can think of is that you're scared to death that if science figures out exactly HOW it was done that they might also find evidence that there was no god involved in creating them.
Then you have no contact with reality. God already settled that question thousands of years ago, He said that despite all the learning of man they can never come to a knowledge of the truth.
 

dad

Undefeated
I find it hard to believe that some scientist somewhere wouldn't speculate that perhaps maybe, opaque matter had obscured the light at some point?
That would be something in their little bag of possible explanations. The object is massive, so probably many times (they might claim) bigger than our sun? Also 2 and half million times brighter! Suddenly, poof. Not even traces of it. I guess a lot of that sneaky 'opaque matter' must have snuck up undetected real fast eh?
 
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