Frank Goad
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How is christianity in general.Like christian universalism?
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Well with Christian Universalism you're automatically saved. With regular Christianity you have to ask for forgiveness to be saved. I could be wrong. I never studied Christian Universalism.How is christianity in general.Like christian universalism?
Wow, then it is No wonder Jesus forewarned us that MANY would come 'in his name' but prove false (Matthew 7:21-23)Christian universalism is just one more of the (around) 50,000 brands of christianity.
I find more than just asking for forgiveness but to endure 'faithful' to the end as per Matthew 24:13.Well with Christian Universalism you're automatically saved. With regular Christianity you have to ask for forgiveness to be saved. I could be wrong. I never studied Christian Universalism.
No, it's really not.Christian universalism is just one more of the (around) 50,000 brands of christianity.
How is christianity in general.Like christian universalism?
Even Catholic scholars debate about how purgatory really works. Purgatory is a rather late invention (11th century iirc) to fix the problem that good people could go to hell. It rests on the word that Jesus would come back to judge the souls of men. For some this is absolute and hell is empty now. Others think that certain sins (about which they also don't agree) can send someone strait to hell. There is also the question how long someone has to spend in purgatory. Some think it depends on the sin for others it is always till the judgement.From what I remember the Catholic position is closer to Christian Universalism than Protestant Christianity in that while there are people who are said to go to hell for eternity, others, who have not been so bad, go to a place called Purgatory where they are purified, and so end up being saved. I think the concept of Purgatory also applies to Christians who are not pure enough to go straight to heaven.
Even Catholic scholars debate about how purgatory really works. Purgatory is a rather late invention (11th century iirc) to fix the problem that good people could go to hell. It rests on the word that Jesus would come back to judge the souls of men. For some this is absolute and hell is empty now. Others think that certain sins (about which they also don't agree) can send someone strait to hell. There is also the question how long someone has to spend in purgatory. Some think it depends on the sin for others it is always till the judgement.
The Catholic theologians love debating, they even have a fraternity of elite debaters, the Jesuits. They appoint a special solicitor to represent the opposite site in questions like who gets to be a saint, the "advocatus diaboli". Luther famously debated his point in letters and councils.Certainly the theologians in Catholicism seem to have done a lot of thinking about things and maybe thought they could invent things like Purgatory because the Pope had so much power and could establish them as fact.
The Catholic theologians love debating, they even have a fraternity of elite debaters, the Jesuits. They appoint a special solicitor to represent the opposite site in questions like who gets to be a saint, the "advocatus diaboli". Luther famously debated his point in letters and councils.
You'd better have all your ducks in a row when you go up against an experienced Catholic apologist.
Wow, then it is No wonder Jesus forewarned us that MANY would come 'in his name' but prove false (Matthew 7:21-23)
No, it's really not.
UU is to Christianity rather like Bahai is to Islam. Keeps the basics, but gets rid of the primitive morality. Far more inclusive and secular.
Tom
I can agree because why else would a person belong to a belief unless they believed it was the right one__________And he says the same in just about every version, and every one reckons he is talking about the other sects
I can agree because why else would a person belong to a belief unless they believed it was the right one__________
Or, perhaps more than in just 'some cases' because often false clergy use the pulpit as a recruiting station so that parents will sacrifice their young on the Altar of War as if that is the same thing as the Altar of God. False clergy and the political ' kings/rulers ' are often found to be in bed together (political fornication).True enough but only part of the story
In the case of christianity the right one of around 50,000 slightly different beliefs, which in some cases those differences have been the cause of mass violence and killing
Or, perhaps more than in just 'some cases' because often false clergy use the pulpit as a recruiting station so that parents will sacrifice their young on the Altar of War as if that is the same thing as the Altar of God. False clergy and the political ' kings/rulers ' are often found to be in bed together (political fornication).
This is why I find the false clergy feel secure and think they sit as some sort of religious ' queen ' who will never see sorrow or mourning - Revelation 18:7-9.
Whereas, Jesus and his followers were politically neutral even remaining neutral in the issues of the day between the Jews and Romans.
It is not your prerogative to point and accuse of "false clergy" the OT is full of examples of where their belief developed. Politically neutral??? Wow,
His preaching was tinged with political statements. His healings carried massive political implications for the ways we structure our world and understand our neighbor. His execution was of the kind reserved for acts of political disruption. That is, he died on a cross because the political authorities of his day saw him as a threat to the political structures and order of his day.My own view is that he taught one god which is in direct opposition to polytheism of the official government of the time and a direct threat to the emperor of Rome who was a god, in effect, jesus publicly and repeatedly denied the emperor, how political do you want?