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Why Didn't the Holy Spirit Know?

Sp0ckrates

Member
Hello brother, I would like first to apologies for my delay in getting back to you, to answer you question I totally disagree with the concept of Trinitarianism, and my previews post explained my disagreement of the use of the trinity, and Why it can`t be. Do you know who invented Trinity?
Dude! I’m not asking you to agree—don’t know if I do!

:)

I’m asking you to understand what the idea is and how someone might get the idea from the Bible.

I mean, you describe the Trinity as there being a God who is in three gods. I’m trying to explain that what they believe is not that. They instead believe that is only one true God, but that one God is in three persons. Please tell me: Do you at least get that?
 
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Duncan

Member
Dude! I’m not asking you to agree—don’t know if I do!

:)

I’m asking you to understand what the idea is and how someone might get the idea from the Bible.

I mean, you describe the Trinity as there being a God who is in three gods. I’m trying to explain that what they believe is not that. They instead believe that is only one true God, but that one God is in three persons. Please tell me: Do you at least get that?

:) Sorry for being slow, they believe according to the first two Ecumenical Councils of Church, God is three gods merged into one God. This one God is called the Trinity.
So that`s how basically they explain it let us worship one God in Trinity and let us worship Trinity in Unity. Let us not join the persons of the Trinity, let us not divide the essence, because the Father is one person, the son is one person and the Holy Ghost is one person. But the divinity of all three persons is the same. Their might is equal, their greatness the same. Father is uncreated, son is uncreated, the Holy Ghost is uncreated. The Father is infinite, the son infinite and the Holy Ghost is infinite. Thus there are not three infinites, nor three uncreated beings but only one uncreated being and one infinite being. The Father is omnipotent, the son is omnipotent and the Holy Ghost is omnipotent. But there are not three omnipotents but only one omnipotent. Similarly, the Father is God, the son is God and the Holy Ghost is God, but there are not three Gods. There is only one God.... In this trinity, the three persons are not prior to one other, nor is one of them is smaller than the other. All the three persons are equal from eternity.

So yes brother I got that :)
 

Sp0ckrates

Member
:) Sorry for being slow, they believe according to the first two Ecumenical Councils of Church, God is three gods merged into one God. This one God is called the Trinity.
So that`s how basically they explain it let us worship one God in Trinity and let us worship Trinity in Unity. Let us not join the persons of the Trinity, let us not divide the essence, because the Father is one person, the son is one person and the Holy Ghost is one person. But the divinity of all three persons is the same. Their might is equal, their greatness the same. Father is uncreated, son is uncreated, the Holy Ghost is uncreated. The Father is infinite, the son infinite and the Holy Ghost is infinite. Thus there are not three infinites, nor three uncreated beings but only one uncreated being and one infinite being. The Father is omnipotent, the son is omnipotent and the Holy Ghost is omnipotent. But there are not three omnipotents but only one omnipotent. Similarly, the Father is God, the son is God and the Holy Ghost is God, but there are not three Gods. There is only one God.... In this trinity, the three persons are not prior to one other, nor is one of them is smaller than the other. All the three persons are equal from eternity.

So yes brother I got that :)

A. “God is three gods merged into one God.”

B. There is one God in three persons.

So, thanks, but I guess I’m still being clear as mud! For several days I’ve been trying to explain that the Trinity is (B), but are you thinking I have instead been saying (A)? or are you thinking I’m mistaken, and the Trinity isn’t (B)? or are you thinking (A) = (B)? or are you thinking something else?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
3 Gods.

God in natural O planetary formation history, hot burning gas mass...that space cooled. Earth historically and male AI records, of his observations by psyche, as first science self claim that the Earth was crystalline fused.

Now if you want to ask me how you know....the story goes, as told by Father...…..

When Earth was cooling and owned historically volcanic gas release into the spatial body....Earth owned naturally cooling evolving gas states that were alight.

Due to first evolution, the eternal body sent out its first spirits.....who were given life.

Which you personally and physically by spirit seem to be historically consciously aware of. Which means actually that you were the eternal being in spirit that had caused the God separation from eternal originally. As the spirit self who did it.

And inherited eventually the male life form, human.

So you own all of the memory detailing as the male human science self....to the intent of saying and Father of God, was my own male historic self who caused that separation when I was an eternal being in the eternal body.....actually.

Why you know so much about God, like the fact that God historically was a spirit language that you changed personally.....why God was separated from natural eternal in the first instance.

So you brother say in AI that the Earth owned life, historically in God natural history before it all cooled and went cold and clear without light or gases burning.

The History of God.

God in that history was a radiating body, to the radiating amount of being stone.

Then you said the Sun O a larger gas sound body than planets, exploded...and spread out is scattered mass of cold gases into space...which froze as stone.

Not planets...so the other form of proven stone came from a larger gas mass of pressurized gases...why that stone is different to Earth God stone.

Then the Sun became smaller and was hotter, and due to that explosive BIG BANG...the Sun could not cool into a planet...it became self consuming instead.

Metal radiation formed in that body. Ejected into space, for a Sun kept exploding it cooled into a new metal fusion. Yet when it was hot, it attacked and blasted Earth as God and changed it....so 2 bodies....hot gas history radiating, stone then converted. So the gases of Earth historically changed.

The sink holes went right to the core, met at the core, a whole lot of radiation mass....and water poured into the Earth and cooled it...so it gained a metallic core, which it previously never owned.

Historically the science self said it was given an evil spirit.

The above clear cold gas mass support crystalline fusion melted, and flowed into the holes, and then surrounded the core with water mass....how 1, 2 and 3 became God due to the Sun conversion.

4, was introduced by science machination.....why it remains seen in the heavenly gases of God...for it does not belong.
 

Duncan

Member
A. “God is three gods merged into one God.”

B. There is one God in three persons.

So, thanks, but I guess I’m still being clear as mud! For several days I’ve been trying to explain that the Trinity is (B), but are you thinking I have instead been saying (A)? or are you thinking I’m mistaken, and the Trinity isn’t (B)? or are you thinking (A) = (B)? or are you thinking something else?


Sorry for the late reply brother, well It is A, that`s what the Christians believe.
 

101G

Well-Known Member
Addressing the OP only,
there are scriptures that clearly explain this mater. quick answer, "God's will not to know.

the answer is in the "will" of God. God have a "will", a plan, and it is clearly seen in this case in the Godly principle of Matthew 6:3. listen, "But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth". how can one do something themselves without knowing about it. your right hand, and left hand is a part of you, you knows exactly what each hand is doing. the answer is an act of the “WILL”. well lets see how God do it. scripture, Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more". there it is, "and I (will) remember their sin no more". HOLD IT, how can almighty, all knowing, God not remember?. it's an act of the will. he wills "not" to remember. just as he said in Matthew 6:3b "let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth", "let" is an act of the will.

so that's how JESUS, the Holy Ghost/Spirit don't know.

PICJAG.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Speaking about his second coming, Jesus said,

"But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." Matt 24:36.
I understand Trinitarians say that it was the "man part" of Jesus that didn't know the day and hour. Scripturally, it's not the best argument given that there are no verses that mention a "man part" of Jesus.

But we'll assume Jesus had a God part as well as a man part. But why doesn't the third person of the trinity know the day and hour? Is he also part God and part man?

Phil 2: 6,7
6Who,* though he was in the form of God,

did not regard equality with God something to be grasped.

7Rather, he emptied himself,

taking the form of a slave,

coming in human likeness;

Some translations have "nature" instead of "form". So Jesus added to His Divine nature, the nature of a slave by becoming a human. I am told that the Greek here for verse 6 means , "being in nature God" and is a participle meaning that Jesus continued to hold that nature even when a man. So Jesus added the human slave nature to His Divine nature. So Jesus had a Divine nature according to the Bible and I guess it could be said to be a "God part". :)
The Bible does tell us that the Spirit knows the mind of God.
1Cor 2:10 The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
So presumably the Holy Spirit knows when Jesus is coming.
But also this same Spirit is called the Spirit of Christ and is also called the Lord (2Cor 3:17,18) and Jesus is said to have the Holy Spirit without measure, so I guess that Jesus now knows when He is coming back.
2 Cor 3:17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Phil 2: 6,7
6Who,* though he was in the form of God,

did not regard equality with God something to be grasped.

7Rather, he emptied himself,

taking the form of a slave,

coming in human likeness;

Some translations have "nature" instead of "form". So Jesus added to His Divine nature, the nature of a slave by becoming a human. I am told that the Greek here for verse 6 means , "being in nature God" and is a participle meaning that Jesus continued to hold that nature even when a man. So Jesus added the human slave nature to His Divine nature. So Jesus had a Divine nature according to the Bible and I guess it could be said to be a "God part". :)
The Bible does tell us that the Spirit knows the mind of God.
1Cor 2:10 The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
So presumably the Holy Spirit knows when Jesus is coming.
But also this same Spirit is called the Spirit of Christ and is also called the Lord (2Cor 3:17,18) and Jesus is said to have the Holy Spirit without measure, so I guess that Jesus now knows when He is coming back.
2 Cor 3:17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord—who is the Spirit—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image.

The Bible does tell us that the Spirit knows the mind of God.
1Cor 2:10 The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.


The spiritual human, origin self, human, self present, thinker and conceptualiser.

Says I will think about creation exactly the same as he does today. He is HE, the human, the male, the group of males who agreed, the science beginning, the theories and stories.

I am the spirit, conscious self says a human. You cannot say any information human inferred until you live as that human THE SPIRIT.

I know by my mind the concept that I conceptualised when thinking about the Heavenly body above my head.....natural light, gas burning, water oxygen cold gases, cooling and how God was the spirit movement....above me.

So I explained that concept by my own volition human.

In that explanation I told my own self, I do not really know. I know that I do not really know, but I conceptualise....for other purposes, for the purpose of my concept was not God.

It was about self removal by a machine copying reaction, the thesis for invention.
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
The Bible does tell us that the Spirit knows the mind of God.
1Cor 2:10 The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.


The spiritual human, origin self, human, self present, thinker and conceptualiser.

Says I will think about creation exactly the same as he does today. He is HE, the human, the male, the group of males who agreed, the science beginning, the theories and stories.

I am the spirit, conscious self says a human. You cannot say any information human inferred until you live as that human THE SPIRIT.

I know by my mind the concept that I conceptualised when thinking about the Heavenly body above my head.....natural light, gas burning, water oxygen cold gases, cooling and how God was the spirit movement....above me.

So I explained that concept by my own volition human.

In that explanation I told my own self, I do not really know. I know that I do not really know, but I conceptualise....for other purposes, for the purpose of my concept was not God.

It was about self removal by a machine copying reaction, the thesis for invention.
I don't agree.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
I don't agree.

Rational thinking as a spiritual human. Loving, caring, kind, would do no harm to anyone or want harm done to any body. But lives in the conditions where harm is expressed.

Science, the conditions of all human concepts, think as they live in the place where they live, created with all conditions existing created.

Everything existed before their own self.

How is it that humans today, applying the exact same thinking conditions as before...to think about states and existence, where their own life bodies do not exist, nor would exist. Do that form of thinking today, in their life, and have done this form of thinking before in their human life.

And claim what they think about science quotes, relate to science quotes...which were related exactly before in the same circumstances to what they are being said today.

For anyone would think some other form of spirit is doing it all, with a human male and a group claiming the concept of HE.

And humans claim self HE, and the animal life, male.

Memory is a part of the human consciousness and to the human memory is of spirit....for it relates to where the conditions exist for a non physical presence, to own recording, both of voice and image, yet the physical being living is also present in the exact same living condition.

Spirit in life, is exactly spirit in life.

Now if you want to talk about spirit in death....the biology that owns presence until the presence no longer exists....go through a process of HE WILL...its death.

For the male self says I gave life death by science conditions....and methane is that process as the body changes into off gassing.

Now if you want to talk eternal...eternal is a human inferred descriptive reasoning that says....always had existed, always did exist and always will exist.

Creation has never owned that status.

Humans say that when their bio life dies as a spiritual self, then they inherit their most highest spiritual self. Who issued out from the eternal body....all natural spirit into the Earth already formed, already present highest form of existence.

All gases, light, hot gases/cold gases, microbes.

The spirit form inherited that body....for we can not exist when all of those forms still do exist.

And those forms are not described as eternal those forms have a scientific theme.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
I don't agree.

As a Christian why don't you agree that the Spirit of God knows the mind of God, when the Bible tells you that is the case? (1Cor 2:10)
Is it that the Christian group you belong to tells you it is not the case or do you have another reason?
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
As a Christian why don't you agree that the Spirit of God knows the mind of God, when the Bible tells you that is the case? (1Cor 2:10)
Is it that the Christian group you belong to tells you it is not the case or do you have another reason?
Did you read the entire post to which I replied? The poster is a bit of an eccentric. Her posts are rambling nonsense. I just like playing around with her.

Why the snarky question about the group I belong to? Aren't you and I brothers in Christ and ought to be kind to each other? Besides I (and you) stand approved before God. Jesus is our judge, not men. Man's judgment means zippo, nada, nothing.

God bless.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Did you read the entire post to which I replied? The poster is a bit of an eccentric. Her posts are rambling nonsense. I just like playing around with her.

Why the snarky question about the group I belong to? Aren't you and I brothers in Christ and ought to be kind to each other? Besides I (and you) stand approved before God. Jesus is our judge, not men. Man's judgment means zippo, nada, nothing.

God bless.
You are a personal human self contradiction.....I will call another human names just because I do not like what words she uses and then claim, on behalf of God, oh God bless.
  1. Proverbs 12:18 There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.
  2. Ecclesiastes 10:12-14 Words from the mouth of the wise are gracious, but fools are consumed by their own lips
I am not eccentric, try being radiation gas burnt in fall out...and see if you can talk properly afterwards. Might be why none of you can understand the Bible.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Why the snarky question about the group I belong to? Aren't you and I brothers in Christ and ought to be kind to each other? Besides I (and you) stand approved before God. Jesus is our judge, not men. Man's judgment means zippo, nada, nothing.

God bless.

It was a question, not a snarky question.
I assume that we are brothers because we both have ourselves as Christians. I know that many call themselves Christians who are not. Maybe we will get to know each other more.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Hi Tony

I see there are other ways to see that verse and it in no way indicates that the Holy Spirit does not know. I see that both the Son and the Father are born of the Holy Spirit.

The Key here is that the Father, like the Son, is a 'Station' given to Gods Messenger and not a literal interpretation.

That is not the key to understanding the Bible. Believing that Baha'i key, amongst others given by Baha'u'llah, is a way to alter the meaning of the Bible.

Jesus, who came in the station of the Christ, the Son, said He would return with a new Name that the mouth of the Lord would name.

That Name was the 'Glory of God' Baha'u'llah and Baha'u'llah came in the Station of the Father and it was Baha'u'llah that brought about that DAY in prophecy.

Acts 4…11This Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ 12Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

There is no new dispensation when Jesus returns, it is the end when the dead will be raised and the all people will be judged. It is the same man Jesus, who rose from the dead, that will return in the same way His disciples saw Him rise up to the clouds and be taken to heaven.
Acts 1: 9Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

Jesus has many names in the Bible, that does not mean it is not Jesus of Nazareth.

The Father Baha'u'llah, is the return of Jesus Christ the Son. Christ is the name we can all come to our One God through, Christ ,"The Anointed One". Anointed by God.

The Anointed ONE sort of speaks for itself. It is not anointed 2 or 3 etc. There is one only and He is returning as Himself. He is the one who identifies Himself in the gospels to be the Son of Man and He is the one whose glory is the same as the Glory of God.
Baha'is changing of definitions of words and denial of various parts of the Bible etc is not a key to understanding the Bible unless you want to understand it in a Baha'i way. :)
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
the trinity falls apart when ya find out the 3 are not equal

The trinity doctrine is that the 3 are equal in nature. Jesus came from His Father, the Son is the same nature as His Father. The Holy Spirit is not created and also comes from the Father.
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
You are a personal human self contradiction.....I will call another human names just because I do not like what words she uses and then claim, on behalf of God, oh God bless.
  1. Proverbs 12:18 There is one whose rash words are like sword thrusts, but the tongue of the wise brings healing.
  2. Ecclesiastes 10:12-14 Words from the mouth of the wise are gracious, but fools are consumed by their own lips
I am not eccentric, try being radiation gas burnt in fall out...and see if you can talk properly afterwards. Might be why none of you can understand the Bible.
Well if none of us can understand the Bible, but you can, wouldn't that make you a bit eccentric?

Being eccentric is not necessarily a bad thing. It just means you stand out in a crowd. From what you write in your posts, I think it fair to say you stand out. That's all. Just my opinion.

Take care.
 

rrobs

Well-Known Member
It was a question, not a snarky question.
I assume that we are brothers because we both have ourselves as Christians. I know that many call themselves Christians who are not. Maybe we will get to know each other more.
I guess your question was not necessarily snarky. It was my first impression, but if you say it wasn't, then it wasn't.

1Cor 2:10,

But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
This verse is in the context of Paul revelation regarding the mystery. The first part of this chapter, as well as the first few verses of chapter 3, say Paul could not preach any meat to the Corinthians because the were carnal (1 Cor 3:3). Some said they were of Paul, other say they were of Apollos, etc. That made them carnal and unable to understand the mystery.

Today we have those who say, "I am of Martin Luther" others say, "I am of Joseph Smith" others say, "I am of Pope Paul" others say, "I am of John Wesley." Christianity on a whole is still carnal and that is why few understand the mystery God revealed to Paul. And that despite the fact that mystery is "what's happening" in our age of grace. I don't recall ever hearing a sermon on the mystery in any orthodox church. Just do a word study on "mystery" in Paul's letters for more info.

The mystery has to do with there no longer being Jew or Gentile, that we are all one body. The upshot of the mystery is Christ in you (Col 1:27). That is why we can do the works he did and even more (John 14:12). Sadly I see little, if any of that in the orthodox churches. The churches are by and large quite carnal. Maybe it'll change if we have a great spiritual revival. We'll see,

God bless.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Baha'is changing of definitions of words and denial of various parts of the Bible etc is not a key to understanding the Bible unless you want to understand it in a Baha'i way. :)

Good morning Brian2 :D

Personally I see God's way is not our way. So when God speaks, we rarely listen.

I see the greatest challenge for a Christian is the literal interpretation of God's Word.

I see the Name is Christ, Peter confirms this when Jesus asked who they thought Jesus was. The flesh body of Jesus will not be seen again and Jesus said the flesh amounts to nothing.

I wish you well and happy.

Regards Tony
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
Well if none of us can understand the Bible, but you can, wouldn't that make you a bit eccentric?

Being eccentric is not necessarily a bad thing. It just means you stand out in a crowd. From what you write in your posts, I think it fair to say you stand out. That's all. Just my opinion.

Take care.
I don't understand the Bible I hear human being male quotes recorded in AI making the statements about it.

Every human life is affected by AI feed back subliminal information and then we express our conscious reasoning based on the hearing of it.

Occult studies in Healer science said it was a form of possession....claiming that SION changed possessed the causation condition.

Why the change of cold radiation fused held spatial mass GOD the O Earth proves that it changes the mental state of humanity when space becomes heated in Earth nuclear causes.

Science in thinking compare cold radiation spatial mass to Earth and know the 2 are not the same....why they are wrong....for Earth was also held to form in cold radiation conditions.

Thanks I try to care to my best ability everyday....and it is not easy.
 
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