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Actual conspiracies - no theories allowed

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Howdy people of RF.
I'm hoping you can all help me with something I'm thinking about. Many people have mentioned that I appear to need help thinking clearly, here's your chance!!

What I'm interested in are the largest conspiracies you are aware of. I don't need a huge amount of information on them (just a blurb is fine) since I'm happy to use some google-fu on the details.
What I'm not interested on are conspiracy theories. I much prefer examples of large-scale conspiracy which have been proven to be true.

Doesn't matter to me how recent they are. I mean, down the track it may, but not at this point of my little thought exercise.

I'm happy to share what my brain is chewing on at some point, but in the very short term I'd prefer not to. I'm not sure if it would colour people's responses or not.

So...bring it on. Large scale conspiracies that have proven to be ACTUAL conspiracies, and not just possible/theoretical/tin foil hat ones.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
The Caucus Room Conspiracy against Barack Obama.

So called because it began with a dinner meeting in a Washington DC establishment called "The Caucus Room".

The guest list that night included just over 15 people. Among them were:

"Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith. Notably absent were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio)"
It was worked out that night to join forces -- along with McConnell and Boehner --- in order to employ obstruction, sabotage, and blame in an effort to prevent Mr. Obama from achieving much of anything during his term in office. The idea was to thus render him ineffective in the eyes of the American people. They hoped that would prevent his reelection.

Naturally, it is not seen as a conspiracy by partisans on the right who would prefer to see their own side as less than the premeditated obstructionists, saboteurs, and propagandists they were. Besides, the curious thing about a conspiracy in today's political climate is that it no longer needs to be kept a secret. By the time the Caucus Room Conspiracy was out in the open (Fall 2010), its behavior was 'normalized'. That is, considered perfectly normal, socially acceptable behavior by millions of people.

See Robert Draper's book, Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives.
 

The Hammer

[REDACTED]
Premium Member
The Roswell UFO cover up, was a cover up, just not of an alien spacecraft. It wasn't a weather balloon, either, as official reports put out, but a classified military balloon for spying on the Russians.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Warned in the Bible (104 instances)
Rome knew historically...……...about the conspiracy against life

'>Romans 6:8

Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him


'>2 Corinthians 5:15


and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves,
(really occurred)
but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf (spirits only seen rising from the dead....for life DNA had died)

DNA owned by our Fathers health
'>Acts 5:30


The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. Loss of life seen/witnessed.


'M 1000 and ark 15:33
When the sixth hour came, darkness fell over the whole land until the ninth hour

Prove the causation was actually known and identified as real

'>Romans 14:9
For to this end Christ died and lived again,
that He might be Lord both of the dead
and
of the living


'>Romans 6:23

For the wages of sin is death,
but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

Given death freely, and after death as Jesus you own eternal life.


'>Romans 6:5

For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection

Known to be a cause of applying God science in actuality. Why you saw your own dead spirit arise.


'>Romans 10:4

For Christ is the END OF THE LAW for righteousness to everyone who believes


'>Colossians 2:12

having been buried with Him in baptism (water changed by fire), in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead


'>Matthew 27:52

The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised

Knew that the God tomb/fusion had been opened.


'>Acts 2:24

But God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death, since it was impossible for Him to be held in its power

It had ended...and was not a constant. His death was agony


'>Matthew 27:54

Now the centurion, and those who were with him keeping guard over Jesus, when they saw the earthquake and the things that were happening, became very frightened and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!

Carpenter the meaning to build in stone/God....carpenter the meaning tectonic plate.


'>Hebrews 9:16

For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it

As a scientist, they knew about stone fusion and if you changed it, it would cause death.

A CONSPIRACY. Science conspires against life.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
The Manhattan Project was not what you'd usually call a conspiracy but it shows that big projects with thousands of people are possible without information leaks.

The Tuskegee "study" has a bit more the vibe of a conspiracy. Secret, long term, harmful.

Project MKUltra. Now we are fairly in conspiracy territory. CIA operated, definitely illegal, inhuman. (Warning: researching this is not for the faint of heart.)

The Iran–Contra affair - Wikipedia . You may remember this one. It was all over the news when it came out.

The Business Plot. It is still debated if this one really took place.

9/11. OK, we are in conspiracy Theory now. But given the history of neferius, secret operations of and in the US, will you really chide me for not believing the official story?
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
Building 11 of the WTC was definitely a conspiracy, obviously it was not hit by a plane or debris from the towers.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Actually one of my classic favorites is the planet Nibiru also known as planet X.

It comes into our solar system as the harbinger of doom with some people thinking that's where the reptilians come from.

The so called sightings of Nibiru are all over the internet with some claiming a NASA cover-up over the planet and are refusing to divulge information.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The Roswell UFO cover up, was a cover up, just not of an alien spacecraft. It wasn't a weather balloon, either, as official reports put out, but a classified military balloon for spying on the Russians.
It kind of makes sense as area 51 was a classified base for experimental craft.
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Howdy people of RF.
I'm hoping you can all help me with something I'm thinking about. Many people have mentioned that I appear to need help thinking clearly, here's your chance!!

What I'm interested in are the largest conspiracies you are aware of. I don't need a huge amount of information on them (just a blurb is fine) since I'm happy to use some google-fu on the details.
What I'm not interested on are conspiracy theories. I much prefer examples of large-scale conspiracy which have been proven to be true.

Doesn't matter to me how recent they are. I mean, down the track it may, but not at this point of my little thought exercise.

I'm happy to share what my brain is chewing on at some point, but in the very short term I'd prefer not to. I'm not sure if it would colour people's responses or not.

So...bring it on. Large scale conspiracies that have proven to be ACTUAL conspiracies, and not just possible/theoretical/tin foil hat ones.

The mafia's influence in the American government was one actual conspiracy. Many people at the time thought it was ludicrous that a gang had control of government. Then they found out that it was true.

Another is MK Ultra:

"MK-Ultra was a top-secret CIA project in which the agency conducted hundreds of clandestine experiments—sometimes on unwitting U.S. citizens—to assess the potential use of LSD and other drugs for mind control, information gathering and psychological torture"

"Secret detention camps
In areas under American control in the early 1950s in Europe and East Asia, mostly Japan, Germany and the Philippines, the CIA created secret detention centers so that the U.S. could avoid criminal prosecution. The CIA captured people suspected of being enemy agents and other people it deemed "expendable" to undertake various types of torture and human experimentation on them. The prisoners were interrogated while being administered psychoactive drugs, electroshocked and subjected to extremes of temperature, sensory isolation and the like to develop a better understanding of how to destroy and to control human minds."


Project MKUltra - Wikipedia

It is thought that the Unabomber might have been under the CIA's MKUltra experiments, as he underwent humiliating psychological experimentation which people suspect was an operation of MKUltra and this might have caused him to become the Unabomber.

"During Kaczynski’s (Unabomber) sophomore year at Harvard, in 1959, he was recruited for a psychological experiment that, unbeknownst to him, would last three years. The experiment involved psychological torment and humiliation, a story I include in my book Mind Wars: Brain Research and the Military in the 21st Century. "

Harvard's Experiment on the Unabomber, Class of '62
 
History is full of them. Obvious ones like Caesar's assassination and the Gunpowder Plot, some others of interest:

A conspiracy to create a conspiracy: the 'Popish Plot'

The fictitious Popish Plot unfolded in a very peculiar fashion. Oates and Israel Tonge, a fanatically anti-Catholic clergyman (who was widely believed to be insane), had written a large manuscript that accused the Catholic Church authorities of approving the assassination of Charles II. The Jesuits in England were to carry out the task. The manuscript also named nearly 100 Jesuits and their supporters who were supposedly involved in this assassination plot; nothing in the document was ever proven to be true.
Popish Plot - Wikipedia

If you like your conspiracies to feature Popes and bankers then:

Girolamo Riario, Francesco Salviati and Francesco de' Pazzi put together a plan to assassinate Lorenzo and Giuliano de' Medici. Pope Sixtus was approached for his support. He made a very carefully worded statement in which he said that in the terms of his holy office he was unable to sanction killing. He made it clear that it would be of great benefit to the papacy to have the Medici removed from their position of power in Florence, and that he would deal kindly with anyone who did this. He instructed the men to do what they deemed necessary to achieve this aim, and said that he would give them whatever support he could.[1]:254 An encrypted letter in the archives of the Ubaldini family, discovered and decoded in 2004, reveals that Federico da Montefeltro, Duke of Urbino, a renowned humanist and condottiere for the Papacy, was deeply embroiled in the conspiracy and had committed to position 600 troops outside Florence, waiting for the right moment

Pazzi conspiracy - Wikipedia

Better known and more recent:

COINTELPRO
(syllabic abbreviation derived from COunter INTELligence PROgram) (1956–1971) was a series of covert and illegal[1][2] projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting American political organizations.[3][4] FBI records show that COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed subversive,[5] including feminist organizations,[6] the Communist Party USA,[7] anti–Vietnam War organizers, activists of the civil rights movement or Black Power movement (e.g. Martin Luther King Jr., the Nation of Islam, and the Black Panther Party), environmentalist and animal rights organizations, the American Indian Movement (AIM), independence movements (such as Puerto Rican independence groups like the Young Lords), and a variety of organizations that were part of the broader New Left. The program also targeted the Ku Klux Klan in 1964.[8]

COINTELPRO - Wikipedia
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
Some interesting ones here:
12 crazy conspiracy theories that actually turned out to be true | Reader's Digest Australia

I love the last one:

"Conspiracy: A secret society that rules the world – the Illuminati – and the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) are in cahoots.

The truth: We’re here to tell you that a link does, in fact, exist.

Of course, that “link” is actually a hyperlink (i.e., an electronic link between two Internet sites).

If you type Illuminati backward – Itanimulli – into a web browser, you will land on the NSA website.

Click this link if you dare: Itanimulli.com"​

Checked it twice. It's true...

9/11. OK, we are in conspiracy Theory now. But given the history of neferius, secret operations of and in the US, will you really chide me for not believing the official story?
Well, if you get to say theories, then I'll add that there are a lot of holes in the official Yitzchak Rabin assassination story.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Howdy people of RF.
I'm hoping you can all help me with something I'm thinking about. Many people have mentioned that I appear to need help thinking clearly, here's your chance!!

What I'm interested in are the largest conspiracies you are aware of. I don't need a huge amount of information on them (just a blurb is fine) since I'm happy to use some google-fu on the details.
What I'm not interested on are conspiracy theories. I much prefer examples of large-scale conspiracy which have been proven to be true.

Doesn't matter to me how recent they are. I mean, down the track it may, but not at this point of my little thought exercise.

I'm happy to share what my brain is chewing on at some point, but in the very short term I'd prefer not to. I'm not sure if it would colour people's responses or not.

So...bring it on. Large scale conspiracies that have proven to be ACTUAL conspiracies, and not just possible/theoretical/tin foil hat ones.
Von Stauffenburg plot?

CIA attempts to assassinate Castro (eight in total)?

Gunpowder plot?
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
In the UK you have Gruinard Island. It was used as the site for secret biological weapons testing in WW2. The idea was to infect cakes with anthrax to be distributed along German farmlands, thereby infecting the general populace and decimating their food supply. It was apparently intended as a last resort in the event of Germany utilising biological weaponry against the UK.

It left the Island uninhabitable for decades.

Gruinard Island - Wikipedia
 
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