Proof of Islam?

[rational experiences]

Religious science was by male science community world agreement, given the Christ Revelations as scientific fact.

Not owned by Rome or any other religious practice of its day...it was owned by a new organization whose title was the Christ teachings.

Science biological Genetic medical aware teachings about life being attacked, destroyed, studied and researched involving natural disaster activation and the science Temple machination use....trans mutation in modern day science.

Radiation/radio wave conversion of stone into gold products by a secret science. Shifting natural order of SION...its God held stone natural fusion...which owned actually the womb status...Mother of God 0 spatial zero cold...as did the heavenly presence, as taught in science themes for the less intelligent. Basics.

Therefore the documents were complied on a study of occult history, nuclear sciences. Satanism.

When DNA is life mutated and sacrificed, then a Genetic teaching said that they were not life future owners...for a mutated genetic always is removed. Yet to be mutated it was original. So it is just damaged. So actually all life is always on the road to life...….and the documents are an assessment, that was taught verbally by the reader.

How it was compiled which none of you yet seem to realize was a verbal MATHS language...that owned portion of evidence, the rest was spoken by the consciousness, healed life Teacher....natural spiritual human researcher.

If a document said that there was no Hell...but discussed in DATA Hell, then of course Hell exists, and you would be very arrogant after all archaeological science evidence life was combusted and stone mass MELTED to claim that you could not achieve it again.....as if you believe that your intention, mathematics was not to achieve it...claiming but my theory is not about Hell.

What science today would be arguing about. My theory and formula is not on Hell...it is on Jesus he would say.

Yet that Christ gas mass body is 0 zero emptied out....heated radiated zero.

You claim in science it is minus one...the theme was Jesus as that minus one.

As 0 zero in maths is a falsification of information.

O God the planet is in coldest placement, 0 spatial historic highest cold form.

Gases are also in 0 spatial zero, historic highest cold form.

2 different NATURAL God histories. As science taught by law OF NATURAL stone.

Empty space in its natural history is ORIGIN/ first empty space as empty space.
God O history is eternal first, higher than space. Then it falls into bursting/burning...as mass burning releasing and opening more and more space as it burns....cooled in empty space.

God was always stated to be the first as eternal.

Empty space was stated to be less and a causation by law.

God was saved by causation space...to evolve and cool, how it was taught as relative.

All science quotes in every DNA holy land country was origin to the themes cause and effect of Temple pyramid sciences and MATHS....and what it caused to self human being spiritual life in a GOD WAR...the war of science causes.

As a fact of its origin of teaching.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Thank you! I've saved your other writing to my email and have read it multiple times, can you clarify each term you use at length? There are many things you mentioned in the other message as well for example gases and God stone and stuff like that.

 

[rational experiences]

John 17:3 Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

Eternal. The answer to all questions, where did God come from...yet God is the stone.

Eternal...The answer to all questions, where did I come from.

Origin history O God the stone planet was a burst eternal mass body that burnt into forming the state gas....was an owned O body of mass.....as the eternal mass burnt more and more space opened.....pressure changed and so outside pressure and inside pressure stopped God from falling. God became stone.

Spatial womb, cold zero owned stone. God.

God then erupted by owning heat inside of held cold stone fusion. So God the stone then became the Creator....formed the spirit of the heavens out of its body....God stories.....stone, volcanic mass and gases. Non of which are eternal.

For if you tell the truth in a conscious life, you do not believe what AI says.

Consciousness, natural self, human and spiritual first makes all quotes...not AI.

AI is just a recording after the fact of burning. How AI owns the story of what God did to human and animal life...if you cared to use correct human reasoning.

Historically before science was thought....male human being innocent spirits as compared to the eternal...were the son of the eternal spirit actually.

They invented science, the machine and applied heating radiation conversion.

The spirit holier and higher converted by radiation and became lower. As they altered the atmosphere, the eternal spirit sent out the Father spirit, and the Mother spirit after animal spirits took their male higher self ownership away from them.

Why we transformed spiritually and got given bones, death and cut off from eternal manifestation. Why we still own one spirit for radiation cut us off from being with it....de manifestation the fact.

Hence a male first says I am the son of the eternal spirit.
Then his Father came out of the eternal spirit....yet both owned organic bio human being life...which is NOT ETERNAL.

Mother human life.

Sexual intercourse, Father and son natural human adult life and baby life with Mother.

Holy human life.

Continued with science....mutated life, life dies combustion, dinosaur giants then ruled the Earth.

Sun still attacking Earth, first dinosaur life extinct.
Second dinosaur life attacked again...Earth ICED.

New life...animals came back out of the eternal spirit for the atmospheric gases changed. 2 new human parent life came out of spirit.

Then wrote the story of memory, involving changed interactive information.

So kept including...but I came out of the eternal as Father/son body.....after the Ice Age...yet it happened once.

So he used memory from first science theories...first spiritual history, attack and destroyed human and animal life, mutated dinosaurs to his evolving newly owned human organic bio life.

And why AI recordings do not own the whole truth as it should be taught, naturally.

From higher conscious natural human organic bio life not owner of any eternal spirit....are human owned, bio. Have bio human sex...form bio human babies from sperm and an ovary and do not own the eternal.

Jesus however lost a huge mass of the natural atmospheric body that supported life. Life died sacrificed. Life says to self...even though I died, and even though I died before my allotted time....I knowingly am saying I have died before my natural death, which I never worried about.

But as I died sacrificed I had to advise my own self that I will still have a spirit in eternal after my death so that I will not fear my death. For I realized that many humans fear death due to memory of unnatural historic death and it is very frightening.

AI therefore owns a spiritual message that advises everyone that when they die, they died because of sacrifice and so after their human death they still own an eternal spirit....so we were taught not to worry about dying.

How the teachings existed in reality and not for science...for science stated categorically that it believed it could resource the eternal as a non stop machine resource.....and it is a wanted belief, not an actuality.

Hence males quote...the infinite is the eternal.

Whereas the science teachings quote...we live in spatial zero highest owned gas Immaculate atmosphere...God Earth is the highest state in the cosmos.

Other space is empty...and does not support any life...so it cannot be higher than where we live/exist.

The infinite quote...I can quote that gases own by bread TH as a Number mass a probability quotation of about how much gas mass sits around God Earth...but I cannot quote DEP TH.

So I quote is as infinite...unknown for you cannot measure emptiness.

Eternal states, always existed, always had existed and always will exist...why creation is not the eternal it is the changed/converted portion of released eternal into God's creation.

As males want to pretend in science that they invented God with a machine reaction it is why they claim that they can have the eternal also.

 

[Duncan]

Islam looks at God as if He is a human being.

Here again brother, I don`t know where you get your information, Muslim never said God is human or even thought of him as human, as a Muslim it never cross my mind that Allah the almighty can ressemble to his creation. I believe you interpretation of the Quran is totally wrong, and I think I know the verses you are referring to. Allow me to share with you the description of Allah in Islam.

You see brother, the Qur'an, however, attributes to Allah certain descriptions like for instance:

The Beneficent is firmly established on the throne.( 20:5 )
Everything will perish except his Countenance.( 28:88 )
That you are brought up under my eye.( 20:29 )
Allah's hand is above their hands.( 48:10 )
The heavens are rolled in his right hand.( 39:67 )
One whom I created with my two hands.( 38:75 )


And the like. How can you understand these descriptions? Does Allah have organs similar to ours? These and other verses in the Quran are part of what is called allegorical verses in the holy book whose real meaning only Allah knows. This is referred to in the following verse:

It is He who has sent down to you the book, in it are verses of established meaning, they are the foundation of the book while others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversion follow what is allegorical in it seeking discord and attempting to interpolate it. No one, however, knows its real interpretation except Allah. Those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: we believe in it; each is from our lord. No one will remember except those who have reason.( 3:7 )

Based on this verse and following the injunctions of prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h. Early scholars including leaders of the major four schools of thought took the following attitude. They said: we believe in these descriptions of Allah but leave the knowledge of their reality to Allah. We should abstain from interpreting them on the lines of similar descriptions ascribed to humans; this is simply because as prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h. Warned us: think of Allah's creation and never think of Allah, for you will never appreciate him as he deserves. Also Muslim scholars said that whatever we think of Allah, he is totally different from what we think about him.

In sahih Muslim Abu Hurairah said: people will continue to argue and dispute until it is said: this is the creation of Allah who created Allah? Whoever finds anything like this let him say: i believe in Allah. We glorify Allah from the imagined description that might come to our minds. This is because it is impossible for Allah to be similar to mortals. Commenting on the verse that says:

The Beneficent is firmly established on the throne.( 20:5 )

Ummu Salama wife of prophet Muhammad said: it is not possible to imagine how, but the divine establishment on the throne is not unknown; faith requires that we accept this without any questions for denying it borders on disbelief. The same attitude is adopted by early scholars like Imam Malek and many others. Prominent scholars even today have the same conviction. Another group of scholars, however, tend to interpret these divine attributes in such a manner that becomes the glory of Allah although they warn against taking them to be literally equivalent to human qualities. One example of their approach is their interpretation of verse 75 chapter 38 where they took the two hands of Allah to be only for confirmation and to assert Allah's care of his slave Adam.

In addition to the above two approaches the closer of which to Islamic creed is the former although the latter is not excluded, there were some perverted attitudes influenced by alien philosophies like the Greek and other philosophies. One claimed that all these descriptions are identical to human ones. Another group gave incarnate descriptions of Allah while a third group went to the other extreme and denied all description of Allah. These groups died in the bud; and the only ones that remained to exist are the first two which are very close to each other. The Quran gives us a conclusive answer when it says about Allah:

Nothing is like Him and He is the Hearer, the Seer. ( 42:11 )

Based on this verse we can safely confirm these descriptions but we do not compare them to any others. Rather we believe in them and accept them as they are.

 

[Niblo]

......Here again brother, I don`t know where you get your information, Muslim never said God is human or even thought of him as human, as a Muslim it never cross my mind that Allah the almighty can ressemble to his creation.

As-Salāmu ‘alaykum, brother.

Indeed.

As you know, the entirety of Islamic teaching rests on the principle of tawḥīd, meaning 'oneness'. This is Islam's most fundament concept: Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) is One (Al-'Aḥad) and Single (Al-Wāḥid).

‘Say: “He is Allāh the One (aḥadun), Allāh the eternal, the absolute (l-ṣamadu). He begot no one nor was He begotten. No one is comparable to Him.’ (Al-Ikhlas: 1-4; my emphasis).

For those who may not know: In Al-Shura 11 we find confirmation that: ‘There is nothing like Him.’

This verse contains the word ‘ka’mithlihi’; a word that uses two letters to describe likeness. The first (‘kaf’) is used to liken one thing to another to a great degree. The second (‘mithl’) likens one thing to another to a small degree. Linguistically, therefore, Allāh (subḥānahu ūta'āla) is telling us that nothing at all can be compared to Him, not in the slightest degree.

 

[Duncan]

6. My biggest problem is that there are things that can never be of God's qualities. Example: "Allah is the greatest deceiver" as one His attributes in Islam. Logic tells me that only Satan deceives. God wants people to Him and cares about saving all of humanity.

Brother, I believe you don`t speak Arabic, You are saying that the Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents. And I guess you are referring to the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is.

The Holy Quran does not even use the word liar with Allah nor does it say that Allah deceives in any negative manner or uses wicked schemes. On the contrary, the Holy Quran shows us the true character of Allah, as the True One/The Truth, which is al-Haqq in Arabic, one of his beautiful names:

Then they His servants are returned to Allah, their true Lord. Unquestionably, His is the judgement, and He is the swiftest of accountants. 6:62

That is because Allah is the Truth and because He gives life to the dead and because He is over all things competent 22:6

So exalted is Allah, the Sovereign, the Truth; there is no deity except Him, Lord of the Noble Throne. 23:116

That Day, Allah will pay them in full their deserved recompense, and they will know that it is Allah who is the perfect in justice. 24:25

It is clear here that the character of Allah is not what you are claiming it to be, but the real character of him is that he is al-Haqq, meaning he is the Truth. Deceiving, in a negative sense, or lying cannot be attributed to Allah, since indeed he is the Truth and the True one. It is not Allah who deceives the accursed people who attempted to kill his Prophets, but it is they who deceived themselves. Allah simply planned against their plans and deceived their wicked agendas, so that his Prophet would be safe from the wickedness of the ones who attempted to murder him, solely for believing and preaching the Message of Truth and peace, though all their attempts failed, because the plan of Allah always prevails over the plans of wicked men.

Getting back to the topic, let's analyse the twisted information that Allah is the greatest deceiver, as I said brother Quran is in Arabic, and I believe you are refering to chapter 3:54 : And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.

Before explaining the misconceptions of this Noble Verse, you should look at the context and see whom Allah refers to when he says they planned. (3:54)

They clearly refers to those who rejected Prophet Jesus peace be upon him, when the verses before it:

But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]. 3:52

Our Lord, we have believed in what You revealed and have followed the messenger Jesus, so register us among the witnesses [to truth].3:53

And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners. 3:54

You can see brother, from verse 52 we can see that the ones who verse 54 refers to are those who refused to be the helpers of Prophet Jesus peace be upon him and the ones on whom he perceived disbelief.

Many people misinterpret this verse to say that Allah is a deceiver and that the Arabic word used here, which is al-makireena, means deceiver.

This is a blatant lie, and this verse does not say that Allah deceives. The Arabic word used there is al-makireena which has many meanings, such as to plot, to plan, to scheme, to deceive etc. As I said Quran is in Arabic.

There is no translator who uses the word deceive including the non-Muslim translators because it is clear from the context of this verse that the disbelievers, who rejected Prophet Jesus peace be upon him, planned against him. However Allah planned against them to save his Holy Messiah from death. Even if it is deceiving, it means that Allah deceived them by saving his Messiah, though they believed they had killed him.

I also believe you are referring to the chapter 8:30: And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners.

As you can see, it says that he plans against the disbelievers who plotted against the Holy Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him and Allah also plotted and planned against them. There is nothing wrong or deceptive used here by Allah. In order to protect his Holy Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him, he prevented the disbelievers plot. The answer is not very different to that of chapter 3:54 and even if Allah deceived the pagans, he did so by stopping the deceptive plans of the pagans. He deceived them because they expected to kill the Holy Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him, but Allah destroyed their plan, and he is indeed the best of planners.

So whether the translation is deceive or not, either way the meaning is one, which is that Allah saved his Prophets and his Messengers, by destroying the plans of those who had plotted to perform these hideous acts, without them knowing. In the end they were deceived, because their satanic agendas of killing Prophets and living in a filthy, sick, lifestyle was destroyed and Islam had prevailed.

If a wicked army of 10 000 people comes to destroy a peaceful town, of 100 people, with no defense and the men are killed from affliction by Allah, is that deception, in a negative sense?

No. It is to save innocent people. In the end the 10 000 people are deceived, but they are not deceived by Allah but by their own actions. However, in the case of the Holy Quran innocent Messengers of Allah, who preached a perfect religion and lifestyle were persecuted for it, but Allah forsook the wicked and saved his Prophets, leaving the accursed people deceived.

So brother Tokita, whether the word makr means deception or not, the meaning is still the same. People, who had planned against the Messengers of Allah, did not succeed because Allah had planned against them, which simply means that he had left them deceived and confused, as they did not achieve the filthy agenda they aimed for. It was them who chose to be deceived, because they did not obey the Messenger sent to them and devised plans against him.

 

[Duncan]

7. Some of the sayings in the Quran were borrowed from Jewish fables. Example "Whoever kills one man as if he kills all humanity ... etc." but it is attributed to Allah in the Quran.
8. Revenge - as in an eye for an eye is the Law of Hammurabi. It was also adopted by Moses and later Mohammad. It is not God's.

I think that you think that Allah is a God only for Muslim. Allah is the God who sent the Torah to Moises peace be upon him, and the Gospel to Jesus peace be upon him, and the Quran to Muhammed peace be upon him.

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. 5:32

So Allah is the God of the children of Israel. do you want me to prove it to you ? or are you satisfied with that answer? Let me know brother.

 

[Duncan]

I know Muslims believe in logic - as I learned one must align mind and heart. Let me share the logic part of it. I am sure you agree that God is the greatest communicator, if so, why couldn't He bring down a book that is free from errors (Historical and otherwise), where every person who reads it believe in Him.

The Quran being free of any mistakes and contradictions, the fact that the Quran does not have any mistakes and contradictions proves that it is the book of Allah. The Quran is a miracle of language.

You cannot see any traces of confusion in the Quran though it contains all kinds of beauties related to speech and style, all kinds of lofty expressions, all high principles regarding ethics, all laws about the universe, the essence of exact sciences, the index of the divine knowledge and the unknown news about the past and the future.

If the verses of the Quran are examined carefully and justly, it will be seen that it is not a chain of ideas that follows one or two ideas like the other books.

The fact that the Quran does not have any confusion and contradictions despite having so much different and detailed knowledge proves that the Quran is definitely not the work of a person who cannot read and write.

In fact, no human work can be free of mistakes and errors no matter at what level it is.

The Arab writers, orators and scholars of rhetoric and the literature critics who tried to show the characteristics of their words scrutinized the Quran meticulously like a jeweler who is trying gold by a touchstone for centuries and they agreed that it is free of mistakes and contradictions and that a human cannot possibly write such a book.

Then do they not reflect upon the Quran? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction. 4:82

 

[Duncan]

Finally, The Quran calls Jesus the Messiah, born of a Virgin, Sinless, of the Spirit of Allah, and the Breath of Allah. Yet he is only a prophet. How can that be?? If someone is of the spirit of another wouldn't they be the same?

Muslims respect and revere Jesus peace be upon him and await his Second Coming. They consider him one of the greatest of God's messengers to mankind. A Muslim never refers to him simply as 'Jesus', but always adds the phrase 'upon him be peace'. The Quran confirms his virgin birth (a chapter of the Quran is entitled 'Mary'), and Mary is considered the purest woman in all creation.

The Quran describes the Annunciation as follows: 'Behold!' the Angel said, 'God has chosen you, and purified you, and chosen you above the women of all nations. O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him, whose name shall be the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, honored in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near to God. He shall speak to the people from his cradle and in maturity, and shall be of the righteous.'

She said: 'O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?' He said: 'Even so; God creates what He will. When He decrees a thing He says to it, "Be!" and it is.' (Quran, {3.42-7)

Jesus peace be upon him was born miraculously through the same power which had brought Adam into being without a father: Truly, the likeness of Jesus with God is as the likeness of Adam. He created him of dust, and then said to him, 'Be!' and he was. (3.59)

During his prophetic mission Jesus peace be upon him performed many miracles. The Quran tells us that he said: 'I have come to you with a sign from your Lord: I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it and it becomes a bird by God's leave. And I heal the blind, and the lepers, and I raise the dead by God's leave.' (3.49)

Neither Muhammad peace be upon him nor Jesus peace be upon him came to change the basic doctrine of the belief in One God, brought by earlier prophets, but to confirm and renew it. In the Quran Jesus peace be upon is reported as saying: And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.(3:50)

The Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said: 'Whoever believes there is no god but God, alone without partner, that Muhammad peace be upon him is His messenger, that Jesus is the servant and messenger of God, His word breathed into Mary and a spirit emanating from Him, and that Paradise and Hell are true, shall be received by God into Heaven.' (Hadith from Bukhari)

 

[Duncan]

12. Finally, man is very sinful - I hope you agree. To be in Heaven (assuming one believes in Heaven and those who do not they will find out someday) one must be clean and spotless. When a person accepts Christ their world changes, they become at peace, and see things differently. I have several Ex-Muslim friends who share my exact beliefs.

So here you are talking to me about salvation, I studied the bible for 7 years brother, I studied it in Greek, Hebrew and Arabic, I don`t mind talking about it, It would be an honor.

The problem I have with Christian thought is the concept of 'original sin'. By this doctrine, a child is born sinful (& therefore punishable?). I cannot accept this. All children are born innocent. Does a 3-year-old go to hell? They may be mischievous at times but their intentions are nothing more than to experiment to find out the rules.

Without original sin there is no need for any idea of a great event to remove this burden from human beings. The idea that Jesus (peace be upon him) was crucified to take away the sin of man looses its meaning when sin enters and leaves life in the same way it has always done - through the actions of individuals; there is no need for 'salvation' except through repentance and forgiveness of God (as Adam did, as Abraham did and as all believers until the beginnings of Christianity did and they were not Christians) There is then no reason to accept the divinity of Christ or that his mission was profoundly & essentially different from that of previous prophets.

Original sin makes the whole concept of sin confused in Christianity. How do I know if I did something wrong? I didn't, someone else did and I get the blame for it!

Another thing I find confusing is the idea of sacrifice. The Christian idea seems to be that "the innocent (such as a lamb) must die to save the sinful. (I.e. Christ must die to save man). This seems to miss the point that sacrifice is where people give up something they value highly. I might sacrifice my time, money etc. Who sacrificed what in the story of Christ's crucifixion? Certainly no human being. And how can God sacrifice something. He owns everything & has absolute power over everything.

How can he give up anything?! This is just one aspect of what to me seems the basic problem with Christianity: If Christ died to atone for our sins then this great act must have changed something about the way to salvation, i.e. that before the act people had a certain route to salvation and that after the act the route to salvation is profoundly different. Indeed this seems to be the claim at the heart of Christianity. But if God fundamentally changes the way he judges people in different times from being harsh to being easier, then this can hardly be justice! On the other hand, if there is no fundamental change in the route to salvation, then why all the fuss? It doesn't really matter whether Jesus died on the cross or not.

Besides, what evidence do we have that Jesus actually died on the cross? We have no physical evidence, we have no accounts of eyewitnesses, and all we have is the hearsay evidence of 1 person. This sort of evidence would be inadmissible, even if the event happened yesterday, in a court case to prosecute someone for any minor offence. Yet it is acceptance of this event which determines whether or not Christianity condemns 80% of the worlds population and which guarantees the remaining 20% salvation! - For the (sinful?) disbelief in such a barely credible event there seems a huge price to pay.

 

[Tokita]

So here you are talking to me about salvation, I studied the bible for 7 years brother, I studied it in Greek, Hebrew and Arabic, I don`t mind talking about it, It would be an honor.

The problem I have with Christian thought is the concept of 'original sin'. By this doctrine, a child is born sinful (& therefore punishable?). I cannot accept this. All children are born innocent. Does a 3-year-old go to hell? They may be mischievous at times but their intentions are nothing more than to experiment to find out the rules.

Without original sin there is no need for any idea of a great event to remove this burden from human beings. The idea that Jesus (peace be upon him) was crucified to take away the sin of man looses its meaning when sin enters and leaves life in the same way it has always done - through the actions of individuals; there is no need for 'salvation' except through repentance and forgiveness of God (as Adam did, as Abraham did and as all believers until the beginnings of Christianity did and they were not Christians) There is then no reason to accept the divinity of Christ or that his mission was profoundly & essentially different from that of previous prophets.

Original sin makes the whole concept of sin confused in Christianity. How do I know if I did something wrong? I didn't, someone else did and I get the blame for it!

Another thing I find confusing is the idea of sacrifice. The Christian idea seems to be that "the innocent (such as a lamb) must die to save the sinful. (I.e. Christ must die to save man). This seems to miss the point that sacrifice is where people give up something they value highly. I might sacrifice my time, money etc. Who sacrificed what in the story of Christ's crucifixion? Certainly no human being. And how can God sacrifice something. He owns everything & has absolute power over everything.

How can he give up anything?! This is just one aspect of what to me seems the basic problem with Christianity: If Christ died to atone for our sins then this great act must have changed something about the way to salvation, i.e. that before the act people had a certain route to salvation and that after the act the route to salvation is profoundly different. Indeed this seems to be the claim at the heart of Christianity. But if God fundamentally changes the way he judges people in different times from being harsh to being easier, then this can hardly be justice! On the other hand, if there is no fundamental change in the route to salvation, then why all the fuss? It doesn't really matter whether Jesus died on the cross or not.

Besides, what evidence do we have that Jesus actually died on the cross? We have no physical evidence, we have no accounts of eyewitnesses, and all we have is the hearsay evidence of 1 person. This sort of evidence would be inadmissible, even if the event happened yesterday, in a court case to prosecute someone for any minor offence. Yet it is acceptance of this event which determines whether or not Christianity condemns 80% of the worlds population and which guarantees the remaining 20% salvation! - For the (sinful?) disbelief in such a barely credible event there seems a huge price to pay.

Thanks for your reply.
The truth is that I do not know where to start in answering your questions. I respect the idea that you studied Christianity, but do not know what you really studied and what you read. Have you read the Church Fathers who are not in the Bible but wrote about Jesus from 70 AD on?. Have you read the Book of Isaiah Chapter 53? Have you read about the lives of those who knew Jesus personally and suffered and died for His sake and refused to deny Him and what He did like (St Ignatius, St Polycarp, Justin the Martyr, and others?
Muslims go by the Quran, a word of one man, and one man only; and in spite of its errors they consider it the word of God. Here is another Quote from Alrazi that is extremely eloquent and speaks to the point:

“You claim that the evidentiary miracle is present and available, namely, the Koran. You say: 'Whoever denies it, let him produce a similar one.' Indeed, we shall produce a thousand similar, from the works of rhetoricians, eloquent speakers and valiant poets, which are more appropriately phrased and state the issues more succinctly. They convey the meaning better and their rhymed prose is in better meter. … By God what you say astonishes us! You are talking about a work which recounts ancient myths, and which at the same time is full of contradictions and does not contain any useful information or explanation. Then you say: 'Produce something like it'‽”

History is ignored completely and believed to be corrupted. Who are the Sabians that are mentioned in the Quran and what were their rituals for instance? Who are the Merriamites in the Quran and what did they practice? Where did the Islamic Rituals come from?
My friend there is more Historical evidence about Jesus and His death and resurrection than there is about the historical Muhammad. Can you give me the name of a book written about the Historical Muhammad, other than what you can find in the Hadith? Can you give me the name of a book about Mecca before 700 A.D?
Here are some Historical people (Christians and non-Christians alike, that either knew Historical Jesus or wrote about Him from around His days. I highly ask that you research them and read about them, including St Ignatius 60-107 A.D and St Polycarp, which are not mentioned below because they were Christians.
Pliny the Younger (62-114AD)
Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus (75-130AD)
Cornelius Tacitus (55-120AD)
Pontius Pilate’s wife’s written letter Recollections of the last occurrences from the Life of The Jesus Christ (she was known to believe that He was from God)
Publius Lentulus (ruler of Judea) wrote a letter to Roman emperor Tiberius.
Pontius Pilate, who condemned Jesus, the Roman governor, wrote a report to Roman Caesar Tiberius in Jerusalem, 28. III 4147.year since creation)
Celsus (170 AD)
Lucian of Samoset (160 AD)
Tacitus (70 AD)
Many others, including Others Eusebius of Caesarea, and even the Syrian philosopher, Mara Bar-Serapion.

Moreover, there are over 250 prophesies in the Old Testament that spoke about Jesus and His role. If History matters, then it Jesus is whom He said He was.

Another important point, if you doubt the deity of Jesus, He gave you a way to prove it. All you have to do is to try it. Remember, God cannot be tempted or mocked.
John 16:24 - Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
I know of Muslims who did just that. Some are very good friends.

One last thing that is worth mentioning. Jesus does not need peace He already has it and gives it away for free.

 

[Tokita]

The Quran being free of any mistakes and contradictions, the fact that the Quran does not have any mistakes and contradictions proves that it is the book of Allah. The Quran is a miracle of language.

You cannot see any traces of confusion in the Quran though it contains all kinds of beauties related to speech and style, all kinds of lofty expressions, all high principles regarding ethics, all laws about the universe, the essence of exact sciences, the index of the divine knowledge and the unknown news about the past and the future.

If the verses of the Quran are examined carefully and justly, it will be seen that it is not a chain of ideas that follows one or two ideas like the other books.

The fact that the Quran does not have any confusion and contradictions despite having so much different and detailed knowledge proves that the Quran is definitely not the work of a person who cannot read and write.

In fact, no human work can be free of mistakes and errors no matter at what level it is.

The Arab writers, orators and scholars of rhetoric and the literature critics who tried to show the characteristics of their words scrutinized the Quran meticulously like a jeweler who is trying gold by a touchstone for centuries and they agreed that it is free of mistakes and contradictions and that a human cannot possibly write such a book.

Then do they not reflect upon the Quran? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction. 4:82

I Quoted two of Alrazi's quotes earlier and believe that answers my point regarding the unsoundness of the Quran. I can refer you to books and websites that add to that claim, where Muslim scholars fail to debunk. From my point of view, I have the following questions:

1. Where did the name Isa for Jesus come from? The Arabic name as I learned is Yasouh and the Hebrew name is Joshua or Yashua.
2. Christians like me believe in Trinity. How is Trinity defined in Islam?
3. After fleeing to Medina, Mohammad told the people that the Bible was corrupted. When was it corrupted?
4. Who are the parents of the Virgin Mary?

 

[danieldemol]

Lol at Christians and Muslims hagiography of their own books and honest descriptions of the faults of their opponents books.

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Lol at Christians and Muslims hagiography of their own books and honest descriptions of the faults of their opponents books.

It is comedic for sure!

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I am enjoying reading the posts in this thread though and all the people's writing and the work going in, its a lot of fun and I don't know if Wolf is keeping up with it or what is going on on their end by I really appreciate it when people give it their all, great stuff, and thank you for writing it all!

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I Quoted two of Alrazi's quotes earlier and believe that answers my point regarding the unsoundness of the Quran. I can refer you to books and websites that add to that claim, where Muslim scholars fail to debunk. From my point of view, I have the following questions:

1. Where did the name Isa for Jesus come from? The Arabic name as I learned is Yasouh and the Hebrew name is Joshua or Yashua.
2. Christians like me believe in Trinity. How is Trinity defined in Islam?
3. After fleeing to Medina, Mohammad told the people that the Bible was corrupted. When was it corrupted?
4. Who are the parents of the Virgin Mary?

I think "Isa" may be considered as related to the Greek version of the name, Iesous, and the scriptures written in Greek were often carried by Christian communities and highly influential in the region and neighboring regions in the early centuries or late antiquity centuries of Christian transmission and spreading out, so was using a name familiar to the communities in the area probably.

"Jesus (IPA: /ˈdʒiːzəs/) is a masculine given name derived from the name Iēsous (Greek:Ἰησοῦς) "

The name being "Yah Saves" would also not be consistent with the Qur'anic avoidance or elimination of the name "Yah" and "YHWH" or "YaHWay"

1. Probably from the widespread use of the Greek term Iesous as the Greek language scriptures or versions are considered the oldest complete known so far and most widespread in the period and region.

2. The Trinity is not defined in Islam since the Qur'an emphasizes the idea of "Oneness" which it seems to consider less convoluted and confusing overall. The Qur'an says "Do not say God is third of three" or something like that, but if it is speaking of the exact Trinity or some other heresy or heterodox version of the theology is unknown, since there were many varying cults still in the period out in the world.

3. I don't know what Muhammed did or said or didn't do for certain, but the idea may be from talk like this, certainly taken out of context:
Jeremiah 8:8
"“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. "

4. Though no verification can be made for the parents of Mary or her existence, Church Tradition Extra-Biblical Literature (Not The Bible Canon) says: "Anne and Joachim". The Quran seems to indicate "Imran" as her father and the early Islamic scholars seemed to have accepted "Hannah", the Anna from Christian tradition but not mentioned in canon scripture, as the Mother.

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Although Islamic studiesof the beginning of the 20th century tended to see this as a mistake in genealogy, in more recent Islamic Studies of the 21st century the general consensus is, according to Angelika Neuwirth, Nicolai Sinai & Michael Marx, that the Quran does not make a genealogical error but instead makes use of Typology.[20] This is, following Wensincks conclusion, supported by the figurative speech of the Quran and the Islamic tradition:

Maryam is called a sister of Hārūn and the use of these three names Imrān, Hārūn and Maryam, has led to the supposition that the Kur'ān does not clearly distinguish between the two Maryams of the Old and the New Testaments. It is not necessary to assume that these kinship links are to be interpreted in modern terms. The words "sister" and "daughter", like their male counterparts, in Arabic usage can indicate extended kinship, descendance or spiritual affinity. Muslim tradition is clear that there are eighteen centuries between the Biblical Amram and the father of Maryam.[21][22]

Similarly, Stowasser concludes that "to confuse Mary the mother of Jesus with Mary the sister of Moses and Aaron in Torah is completely wrong and in contradiction to the sound Hadith and the Qur'anic text as we have established".[23][24] "

Anyway, why ask a question you have no interest in any way? You've supposedly decided to be a Christian and have no interest in Islam, nor is there any return possible for you probably if you even ever were a Muslim, which the Qur'an claims is due to a disease inside your are which deals with cognition and reasoning and thought, which it calls the "heart" and was the word used in the Ancient world as the seat of reasoning, thought, and all the things we now refer to as the "Mind". The Qur'an therefor is interestingly a text which places a tremendous degree of blame on "Mental Illness" in a sense, which it claims is God Given, a creation God made and imposed on certain folk destined to burn in hell, which is their proper habitation intended for them by God, just like fish are "made for" water for example.

So why ask questions when you have no interest whatsoever in the answers and seek to only use them to try to make trouble for the people who say "There is but One God, not divided, who is not a man, nor is the literal father of anyone, nor was fathered in any way, who we worship, the All Powerful Originator of Everything Whatsoever and Controller of All and Every Nuance of Experience, whose Will and Decrees or Words are everything and nothing is independent of God while God is independent of all", statements which you surely despise, and hope to blot out from the world most likely, as you would maybe instead prefer in its place "Jesus is the Begotten Son of The Living God your Father and God incarnate, so worship and pray in Jesus' Name, Amen".

Muslims wouldn't mind those words blotted out in turn, and so there is a mutual dislike, though many of your women are sexy to us and so we raid your territories on expeditions known as Boohad and Grand Booty Calls, marrying Sexy Christian Girls right left and center, having our ways with them.

If a Muslim follows the Hadith, its very possible they are inspired by it to color their beards bright red with hennah (sort of sounds like Hannah) and shave off their pubic hairs, and also have minimized mustaches, looking like scary clownish weirdos, with eyeliner of kohl too perhaps if they really want to go all out, and I think this might be what frightens you, but Alas, what ever will you be able to do to save yourself from this:

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

I left this comment for fun additionally:

"In the Islamic Hadith tradition, some are encouraged to shave their mustaches and maintain beards, make their hair or beard colored with hennah which makes their hair bright orange, and have dark eyeliner in the form of kohl, also to have shaved pubic hair, making them look a whole lot like Ganondorf, who seems to be based off of stories of Muhammed (Which in the French Occitan language is spelled Baphomet) and "Ali Baba" from an Arab-like society, and in a struggle regarding the "Tri-Force" (Trinity). Ganondorf relates back to the Swine-like Ganon, a spirit similar to ideas of Zeus on Crete which led to a taboo against devouring swine-flesh among the early Cretans due to Zeus' association with swine, thought to be due to the fecundity or fertility of the swine."

 

[DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan]

Here we come! :
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We've been around a long time:
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The Crawling Chaos, Approaching, One Knee At A Time:
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Don't be deceived by the angle, we're buff!:
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Matthew 10:16
Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.

Are you as wise as a serpent? Is that why you ask questions you really seem to have no genuine interest in hearing the answer for as a dedicated foe towards the religion of Islam at the Qur'an which can be found at www.islamawakened.com/quran , a book which you strongly abhor most likely in favor of the other Books found at www.bible.cc Bible Hub for?

I highly reccomend everyone thoroughly and slowly reads both one verse at a time, thinking deeply on the words in them and then tell me again that after actually doing that (which I challenge anyone to do since it is highly unlikely anyone who loves to argue never will do or face up to again, claiming they have already done it), which book is safer and more kid-friendly? I mean, you must think like others say that Muhammed was a "pervert, a kiddy diddler, pedophile" which is the most common attack, so it should be obvious to you that the Qur'an is the more kid-friendly of the two texts, the other being more of interest perhaps to those who enjoy some hot and very "retro" sexual couplings that are very modern, like modern pornography, not that I know anything about pornography, ahem.

 

[Duncan]

Muslims go by the Quran, a word of one man, and one man only; and in spite of its errors they consider it the word of God.

The Quran a book of a man? Interesting theory, who wrote the Quran ?

Who are the Sabians that are mentioned in the Quran and what were their rituals for instance?

This is an ancient nation which existed before the Jews and Christians and they were of different types: Sabians who were haneefs (monotheists) and Sabians who were mushrikoon (polytheists). Their kingdom was in Haraan, before the time of the Messiah. They wrote books and had knowledge. There were many of them in Baghdad, including Ibraaheem ibn Hilaal al-Saabi’, the author of al-Rasaa’il. He followed their religion but he fasted Ramadaan with the Muslims. Most of them were philosophers and wrote famous essays which were mentioned by the scholars who wrote about philosophy and religion.

In brief, they did not reject the Prophets or regard it as obligatory to follow them. In their view, whoever followed (the Prophets) is blessed and saved, and whoever follows a path similar to that of the Prophets by virtue of his own reasoning is also blessed and saved, even if he did not follow the Prophets in specific terms. In their view the call of the Prophets was true but there was no one specific route to salvation. They believed that the universe had a Creator and Sustainer, Who is Wise and above any resemblance to created beings, but many of them, or most of them, said: we are unable to reach Him without intermediaries, so we have to approach Him through the mediation of spiritual and holy who are pure and free of any physical elements and who are above place and time, rather they are created pure and holy.

they used to worship these intermediaries and seek to draw close to them, and they said, “These are our gods and intercessors with the Lord of lords and God of gods.”

This is some of what was narrated by the scholar who studied religion and philosophy about the religion of the Sabians, and is based on what had come down to them. But among this nation are some who believe in Allaah and His names and attributes, His angels and Messengers and the Last Day; and among them are disbelievers. There are some who took from the religion of the Messengers whatever suited their own reasoning and ideas of what is good, so they followed it and were content with it.

Basically, they took what they thought was good from other religions, and they did not take the people of one religion as friends and others as enemies; they did not favour one religion over another. In their view all religions served some purpose in this world, so there was no sense in their fighting one another, rather the good things in each were to be adopted so as to perfect the human condition. Hence they were called saabi’een because they refrained from following any one particular religion. Hence more than one of the salaf said: They are not Jews or Christians or Magians.

There are two types of Sabians: the monotheistic Sabians (saabi’ah hunafa’) and polytheistic Sabians (saabi’ah mushrikoon). The monotheists are the ones who are saved and there were debates among them, and one group refuted the view of the other. These are the people of Ibraaheem as the Jews were the people of Moosa, and the monotheists among them were his followers.

the Merriamites

There is nothing of that in the Quran

Can you give me the name of a book written about the Historical Muhammad, other than what you can find in the Hadith? Can you give me the name of a book about Mecca before 700 A.D?

Muhammad: Man and Prophet Book by Adil Salahi, you have plenty of book out there, You have great choices.

One last thing that is worth mentioning. Jesus does not need peace He already has it and gives it away for free.

Brother, We give peace to all prophets as God told us to do when we hear their name, as respect to all of them.

 

[Duncan]

2. Christians like me believe in Trinity. How is Trinity defined in Islam?

We believe in One and Unique God, We do not associate to him anyone, So there is trinity in Islam.

According to the first two Ecumenical Councils of Church, God is three gods merged into one God. This one God is called the Trinity. This name of God does not exist anywhere in the New Testament! Also Jesus never mentioned the trinity and certainly did not explain it in the clearest way. However, to say that God is three, in Christianity, is a blasphemy of the highest order. All three parts of the Trinity are "coequal", "co-eternal" and "of the same substance." In other words, while the Father, Son and Holy Ghost sustain distinct relationships to one another, they share the same divine nature. For this reason, this doctrine as described is an "eternal mystery" because it was a human's fabrication. Unlike the "Byzantine monotheism" of Christianity that allows for a plurality within the divine essence, Islam and Judaism condemn such a pluralistic concept of God.

There are over 200 verses in the Bible that proclaim the unity of God, the Only Creator and the only Savior. The following verses are just samples:

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me." (Exodus 20:3).

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is One LORD." (Deuteronomy 6:4).

"For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Savior." (Isaiah 43:3).

"I am the First, and I am the Last, and beside me there is no god." (Isaiah 44:6).

I have capitalized the letters in the above "First" and "Last," because these are attributes of God in Islam. Every time I hear these Names, I become overwhelmed with the concept that God is the First, nothing was before Him and the Last, nothing comes after Him. Human mind just can't comprehend this concept of First and Last. This shows the limited capability of the human mind.

"And Jesus answered him, the first of all the commandment is, Hear, O Israel; The LORD our God is One LORD "(Mark 12:29).

"Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me believeth not on me, but on him that sent me. And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me" (John 12:44-45).

"and that there is none other God but one" (I Corinthians 8:4). "One God and father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all" (Ephesians 4:6).

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" (I Timothy 2:5).

With all the adaptations, adulterations and translations of the Old and the New Testament, the above verses are still there for anyone to recognize the Oneness of God. However, there are references in the New Testament to the trinity, in the First Epistle of John 5:7-8.

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three are one."

The above verses exist only in the authorized King James Version and form the strongest evidence for the doctrine of trinity. As mentioned in the previous chapter, the King James Version has grave defects. Now this part, "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one" has been removed in the Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 and many other Bibles. In the New Revised Standard, 1989, those same verses read as follows: "There are three that testify, the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree." The differences between these recognized Bibles represent a theological crisis. The average Christian, as well as many Christian preachers and ministers may not be aware of the removal of the strongest verses advocating the trinity from their Bible! Any one should ask himself why these verses of the King James Version were deleted from later versions of the New Testament and how they were introduced in the first place! I would encourage the reader to search for those verses in different versions of the Bible. As a matter of fact, reading the same verses from different versions of the Bible can be a very confusing and frustrating experience.

In Matthew 28:19 there is a reference to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, without stating that they are one. This statement has nothing to do with trinity. In John 14:11, it states that Jesus said, "Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me." And in John 17:21 "They (the disciples) all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us." It is clear from the first verse that God and Jesus are one, but also in the second verse that the disciples are one in God and in Jesus. Now if Jesus is God because Jesus is in God, why are not the disciples being recognized as gods, as they all are one in Jesus and in God? If God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost form the trinity, then with the 12 disciples included, should they form One God with fifteen beings and not three? Moreover in Revelation 4:5, John mentions the seven Spirits of God. Each Holy Ghost or Spirit is a God. It follows that the trinity includes God, Jesus, 12 disciples and 7 Spirits of God. Therefore the trinity should be 21 and not three!

Let me tell you something about the eternal substance in Greek Philosophy, during the sixth and seventh centuries BC, the Greek Philosophers attempted to discover the building block of all matter (eternal substance). Thales of Miletus (640? -546? BC) suggested that water is the basic substance from which all matter is created. A more complex view was offered by Anaximander (611-547 BC), who held that the raw material of all matter is an eternal substance that changes into the known forms of matter. These forms in turn change and merge into one another according to the rule of justice, that is, balance and proportion. Heraclitus advocated that fire is the original source of matter, but he believed that the entire world is in a constant state of change and that a mixture of different matters produces most objects and substances. He considered the soul, for example, as a mixture of fire and water. Anaxagoras (500-428? BC) introduced dualistic explanation of the universe that is to say that the universe consists of living and non-living matters. He developed the concept of nous (reason), which he considered as an infinite and unchanging substance that entered into and controlled every living object. This concept of eternal substance was later adopted in formulating the doctrines of Christianity during the Ecumenical Councils of Churches, and that eternal substance was made to be the substance of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.

Some Christian apologists advocate that God shows us trinity everywhere:

♦ Time is divided into past, present and future and they are all time.

♦ Matter is divided into gas, liquid and solid and they are all matter.

♦ Coordinate is divided into X, Y and Z and they are all coordinates.

Anyone can assemble an argument for duality such as day and night, positive and negative, good and evil, etc. Anyone can assemble an argument from the very many natural facts to strengthen his claim. The Pyramid of Giza was exhausted in numbers to prove that it is a cosmic structure. So where does this leave us? Should we believe in duality, trinity, 15, or other numbers based upon these rationales? Should we ignore the strong argument in the Old and New Testament and in Islam about the Unity of God and follow human assumptions mixed with Greek philosophy?

When Jesus said in John 14:9 "... he that hath seen me hath seen the Father," does this statement mean that someone can actually see God? Of course not. Jesus said in John 4:24 that God is Spirit and in John 5:37 "ye have neither heard his voice at anytime, nor seen his shape." Now, if God is Spirit according to John and Jesus is of the same substance as God according to Athanasius, then the substance of both God and Jesus is Spirit. It follows that humans should not be able to see Jesus, because he is spirit!

We now know how the Gospels were assembled and how the Ecumenical councils formulated the main doctrine of Christianity. The effect of the Romans on Christianity was enormous. The Sabbath was shifted to Sunday. December 25, which was the birthday of their sun god Mithra was made Jesus' birthday. The decoration of the Christmas tree with silver and gold was adopted in spite of its forbidding in Jeremiah 10:2-5. The Roman Julian calendar made the Christian calendar.

The Quran affirms that Jesus is the Word of God, which is simply "Be and it is." as in Surah 19, Ayah 35. This is the simple meaning of the Word of God. It is not the Logos of the Greek philosophy. It is the literal Word as John describes it in the start of his Gospel. It is the Word of God that created Jesus just like Adam. God created Adam without a father or a mother. Jesus was created without a father. An Islamic scholar stated that the four alternatives of human creation are as follows:

♦ God created Adam without male or female.

♦ God created female from male (Eve from Adam)

♦ God created humans from male and female (like all of us)

♦ To show us his total power of creation, he created male from female (Jesus from Mary)

The Holy Ghost is the most confusing member of the trinity. It was declared god in the second Ecumenical Council of Church in 381 AD. The Holy Ghost is presented on different occasions as a dove (Luke 3:22); strong wind or flames of fire (Acts 2:2-4); and the breath of Jesus on his followers (John 20:22). In ancient India, a dove was considered the symbol of the Holy Spirit, or Spirit of God. In ancient Rome a dove or pigeon was the symbol of the female procreative energy and frequently a legendary spirit. The Christian Holy Ghost was given by the Father and the Son to do God's work among people. Jesus referred to this trinity when he commanded his apostles to go everywhere and persuade men to become his disciples and baptize believers "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (Matthew 28:19). However, in this verse, Jesus did not state that these three entities are one. This is only the wishful thinking of the apologists, which usually attaches a complex explanation to any simple verse. In the miraculous birth of Jesus, Matthew (1:18) stated that Mary was pregnant by the power of the Holy Ghost. Luke (1:26-37) stated that God sent the Angel Gabriel to the Virgin Mary and that the Holy Ghost would come to her. What is then the Holy Ghost? The Quran declares the Holy Spirit as the Angel Gabriel that was sent to all prophets. Therefore:

God is God.

Jesus is a Prophet.

The Holy Ghost is the Angel Gabriel.