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THE LAWS OF GOD

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
And love is to keep the Commandments

2 John 1:6
[6]And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

And the Commandment from the beginning told me to REBUKE my neighbor and not allow him to break God's laws

Leviticus 19:17
[17]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

You are making up stuff that doesn't harmonize with scripture.
when you practice unconditional love, self cannot sin. you're being rebuked. you just aren't aware. focus! wakeup!!!



mark 9:35

john 13:34
 

Israel12

Member
when you practice unconditional love, self cannot sin. you're being rebuked. you just aren't aware. focus! wakeup!!!



mark 9:35

john 13:34
Mark 9 has no weight here because no one is seeking to be above. John 13:34... Exactly and LOVE is keeping God's commandments which I just showed you in 2john 1:6, and one of the Commandments is to rebuke your brother if he is in sin. If I see you stealing and I blow up your spot and scold you for stealing that is love. If I hated you then I'd allow you to be homosexual or whatever because the wages of sin is death. So really if I don't rebuke you then I hate you and I'm a murderer.

Ezekiel 3:18
[18]When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

So idk what you are talking about
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Mark 9 has no weight here because no one is seeking to be above. John 13:34... Exactly and LOVE is keeping God's commandments which I just showed you in 2john 1:6, and one of the Commandments is to rebuke your brother if he is in sin. If I see you stealing and I blow up your spot and scold you for stealing that is love. If I hated you then I'd allow you to be homosexual or whatever because the wages of sin is death. So really if I don't rebuke you then I hate you and I'm a murderer.

Ezekiel 3:18
[18]When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

So idk what you are talking about


the wicked do not follow unconditional love. the wicked are respecters of men. they follow rules of men. they need commandments. they seek to control, manipulate, interfere, disenfranchise, subjugate, denigrate, and are busy bodies. they seek power. self cannot serve love and empowerment of selfishness.
 
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three1

Member
What laws do you think need to be kept today? 10? 600+? Don't mind being thorough but I see some responses that are miles long so be somewhat concise
Don't listen to these people who say you can eat blood as a non-Jew.
This law and the moral laws and the civil laws, and the laws of nature are valid for all and must be obeyed to avoid God's judgment.

The only laws in the Old Testament that can be seen as "Hebrew or Jewish" are the ceremonial laws - all other laws were witnessed long before Israel.
 
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Israel12

Member
the wicked do not follow unconditional love. the wicked are respecters of men. they follow rules of men. they need commandments. they seek to control, manipulate, interfere, disenfranchise, subjugate, denigrate, and are busy bodies. they seek power. self cannot serve love and empowerment of selfishness.
What does that have to do with anything
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
What does that have to do with anything



as told to you.


there are two types of service. service to self, or selfishness or service to all as self; which is selflessness.


those who follow service to self, one's religion, one's tribe, one's vanities at the expense of other are doomed to failure.

those who follow unconditional love, selflessness, service to all as self, are the one's who will know God.


service to self is only tenable at the Absolute; which is service to the ALL as self
 

Israel12

Member
as told to you.


there are two types of service. service to self, or selfishness or service to all as self; which is selflessness.


those who follow service to self, one's religion, one's tribe, one's vanities at the expense of other are doomed to failure.

those who follow unconditional love, selflessness, service to all as self, are the one's who will know God.


service to self is only tenable at the Absolute; which is service to the ALL as self
Again what does that have to do with anything... Rebuking people and telling them not to sin is selflessness or service to others.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
The only laws in the Old Testament that can be seen as "Hebrew or Jewish" are the ceremonial laws - all other laws were witnessed long before Israel.
Where? When? By who?

I've given people on here some of the most eminent Rabbis' opinions on this, not sure why that's not good enough? Are you saying you know better than those Rabbis who have studied the text their whole lives? Or is it just more Christian hubris?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Again what does that have to do with anything... Rebuking people and telling them not to sin is selflessness or service to others.
how so? simply because you think it is? you think non-levites should follow levitical tribal rules? how did that help the levites who left the furnace get into the land of milk and honey?
 

Israel12

Member
how so? simply because you think it is? you think non-levites should follow levitical tribal rules? how did that help the levites who left the furnace get into the land of milk and honey?
So loving your neighbor is only a levitical rule? Lol
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
So loving your neighbor is only a levitical rule? Lol
thats not an explanation of my question. how does levitical laws apply? why do you care who is enjoying sex with who? aren't the prostitutes entering the kingdom of heaven against the orthodox? why do homosexuals need to be rebuked?


a hypocrite by any other name is still the same


isn't thou shall not judge lest you be judged simply the golden rule in another form?
 
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Israel12

Member
thats not an explanation of my question. how does levitical laws apply? why do you care who is enjoying sex with who? aren't the prostitutes entering the kingdom of heaven against the ultra-orthodox? why do homosexuals need to be rebuked?


a rotten egg by any other name is still the same
Will prostitutes get in the kingdom? No they will not.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
[9]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Fornication like Homosexuality, Beastiality, prostitution, etc will not get the kingdom along with many others. Are these named in Leviticus? Yes they are so I don't see your point. Loving your neighbor requires you to rebuke them

Titus 1:13
[13]This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

The apostles rebuked sharply which is the same thing that was ordered in Leviticus so what's your point? There is no point
 

three1

Member
Where? When? By who?

I've given people on here some of the most eminent Rabbis' opinions on this, not sure why that's not good enough? Are you saying you know better than those Rabbis who have studied the text their whole lives? Or is it just more Christian hubris?
You can call them rabbis, but for me they're not.

That all these laws existed long before Israel is confirmed in this Bible passage:

Genesis 26:5
Because Abraham obeyed my voice and observed my regulations, my commandments, my statutes and my laws.


Which regulations, commandments, statutes and laws do you think are meant?
And do you think people had no laws before Israel? Do you think they lived like animals?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Will prostitutes get in the kingdom? No they will not.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
[9]Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
[10]Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Fornication like Homosexuality, Beastiality, prostitution, etc will not get the kingdom along with many others. Are these named in Leviticus? Yes they are so I don't see your point. Loving your neighbor requires you to rebuke them

Titus 1:13
[13]This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

The apostles rebuked sharply which is the same thing that was ordered in Leviticus so what's your point? There is no point

trump



Matthew 21:31 - Bible Gateway
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
You can call them rabbis, but for me they're not.

That all these laws existed long before Israel is confirmed in this Bible passage:

Genesis 26:5
Because Abraham obeyed my voice and observed my regulations, my commandments, my statutes and my laws.


Which regulations, commandments, statutes and laws do you think are meant?
And do you think people had no laws before Israel? Do you think they lived like animals?
The Noahide Laws; the ones I have literally been discussing throughout this thread.
 

three1

Member
The Noahide Laws; the ones I have literally been discussing throughout this thread.
You think only the Noahide Laws are valid for non-Jews, so you are saying that the blood prohibition and all other laws not included in the Noahide Laws are not valid for non-Jews?
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
You think only the Noahide Laws are valid for non-Jews, so you are saying that the blood prohibition and all other laws not included in the Noahide Laws are not valid for non-Jews?
You are very confused about this.

The Noahide Law is for non-Jews.

The Mosaic Law is for Jews.

So yes, non-Jews are not and have never been bound by the Mosaic Law. Before the giving of the Law on Sinai, everyone was bound by the Noahide Law, but then after Moses gave the Tora/Mosaic Law, the Jews became bound to that Law instead, while the rest remain under the Noahide Code.
 

three1

Member
You are very confused about this.

The Noahide Law is for non-Jews.

The Mosaic Law is for Jews.

So yes, non-Jews are not and have never been bound by the Mosaic Law. Before the giving of the Law on Sinai, everyone was bound by the Noahide Law, but then after Moses gave the Tora/Mosaic Law, the Jews became bound to that Law instead, while the rest remain under the Noahide Code.
The only thing that is Jewish about the Mosaic Laws are the ceremonial laws, all other laws were already in force at Adam's time.
Your faith comes from the Talmud and therefore has not really to do with the Bible.
But well, believe what you want.
 

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
The only thing that is Jewish about the Mosaic Laws are the ceremonial laws, all other laws were already in force at Adam's time.
Then explain why Jacob could marry two sisters.

Explain why Lot could commit incest with his daughters.
 

Israel12

Member
Matthew 21:32
[32]For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Yeah if they repent my guy... And when you do that you are a NEW MAN in Christ so therefore you wouldn't be a prostitute so again no prostitutes will be in heaven are you serious lol?
 
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