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Christians, which Old Testament Laws to obey, and which to ignore?

Nova2216

Active Member
True... :)
But Jesus got rid of 106 of them straight off with:-
'I will have mercy, and not sacrifice.'

Jesus abolished all the OT Law. (Eph.2:15) (Col.2:14-17).

He then established a new Law (Jer.31:31-34) (Rom.3:27).

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
 

osgart

Nothing my eye, Something for sure
That is quite a list.

Are you looking for reasons not to believe?

Are you willing to accept (Deut. 29:29) for some of those answers?

29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.


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No I am not running from it. Naturally I have preconceptions of the truth. At my best stance, I expect higher standards then my own. But I have my own measuring sticks.

The virtues; every meaning of good character, that is the truth. My 12 objections are as I see things.

I can only accept that which I agree with.

If you have eternal truth then so be it. I can only accept that which brings understanding. If I fail I fail.

Truth no less will do.

I have been down the Christian road before with the independent Baptists.

The Bible is a free book. I only want to know what I am supposed to know of it anyway.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
No I am not running from it. Naturally I have preconceptions of the truth. At my best stance, I expect higher standards then my own. But I have my own measuring sticks.

The virtues; every meaning of good character, that is the truth. My 12 objections are as I see things.

I can only accept that which I agree with.

If you have eternal truth then so be it. I can only accept that which brings understanding. If I fail I fail.

Truth no less will do.

I have been down the Christian road before with the independent Baptists.

The Bible is a free book. I only want to know what I am supposed to know of it anyway.


Searching for truth is the key. That's so very important. It is only truth that sanctifies and cleanses the soul of sin (Jn 17:17).
Obeying truth gives one assurance (Heb.5:9) (1Jn 2:3-6).
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Jesus abolished all the OT Law. (Eph.2:15) (Col.2:14-17).

He then established a new Law (Jer.31:31-34) (Rom.3:27).

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

No no......... Researchers believe that an unknown person wrote Ephesians, and so did an unknown write Colossians.

Even if Paul did write them they were nothing to do with what Jesus said.

And No........ Jesus only wished to remove all sacrificial and Temple demands from the people. He intended to keep all the other OT laws. He said so! Yes?

True Christians follow what Jesus wanted, surely?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
The OT said that human babies first born DNA origins had been murdered in scientific mutations by breaking the law of the mountain history.

Volcanic/mountain history was owner of the release of stone gases to form the atmosphere. o the moon an asteroid wandering star came to Earth and assisted cooling/saving them.

What asteroid wandering star meant in the science review.

2012 was mathematical projected to be the time in the future when the asteroid Earth healing/return of our gas mass that caused newly born babies life MUTATION for life sacrifice.

The first realization of the wandering star was prophecized in the OT to bring that cause, healed baby DNA why they equated new time to position 0 as Earth heavenly mass returned. So the original image of the Father in heaven would have been removed.

However science repracticed what they were told to never apply, which today you are still all ignorant about. You broke the law of stone fusion in fission again. Back in the time of the NT it was the trans mutation of chemical mass and stone converting.

The life determined newly returned human baby DNA murdered again....just as stated, by nuclear fall out attack.

How Jesus the image was put back into cloud feed back just as it was said it would. Proving that from out of space the UFO feed back transmitters put it there by burning out our heavenly gas spirit Noble gas mass history, and removing the mass replacement of the wandering star.

Exactly how it was taught.

Nuclear fission is after all nuclear fission.

Humans living on Earth are their owned first state/self....humans. And humans live in one holy atmospheric condition owning natural laws for human survival.

Which cosmologist theories totally ignore as being relevant. Why you were titled the Destroyer of life.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
Christians, which Old Testament Laws to obey, and which to ignore?
How were some O.T. laws dropped, and others kept?
A few Christians can be self-righteously judgemental about the lives, feelings, cultures, sexualities and beliefs of others.
Exactly what laws are within the New-Covenant, and which others 'repealed'?

I believe it is good to keep the ones Jesus wants us to keep.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Searching for truth is the key. That's so very important. It is only truth that sanctifies and cleanses the soul of sin (Jn 17:17).
Obeying truth gives one assurance (Heb.5:9) (1Jn 2:3-6).
But how do you determine truth, if not by reason and evidence?
The bible is just one of many books claiming to be God's word. It's not based on evidence. It's folklore.

People believe what they're been raised to believe; what their parents tell them; what society embraces -- not what is deduced from evidence and reason. Their opinions are based on familiarity, custom and emotion. If religious belief were based on actual evidence, religion, like science, would be much more homogenous.
 

Israel12

Member
Christians, which Old Testament Laws to obey, and which to ignore?
How were some O.T. laws dropped, and others kept?
A few Christians can be self-righteously judgemental about the lives, feelings, cultures, sexualities and beliefs of others.
Exactly what laws are within the New-Covenant, and which others 'repealed'?

All of God's laws are to be kept. The only ones that were fulfilled were sacrificial laws because Christ became that ultimate sacrifice but as far as Ceremonial, Dietary, and Civil laws which are summed up in the Moral law and further summed up in two laws (Love God/Neighbor) and further summed up in one word (Love) are to be kept
 

Israel12

Member
They weren't exactly repealed, they still exist but not as a written code. Keep what you think you should keep and practice what you preach.

Disagree, Matthew 4:4 Christ said as a Commandment live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
If a Satanic occult converter destroyer scientist says to his own self, my own science observation told me that O God was owner of an Image O the moon.

Yet the moon, o an asteroid came to Earth wandering as a star to save Earth, why it is smaller than Earth.

O o 2 bodies as stone mass. The image of each other.

Then says to self I am an ignorant and arrogant self possessed human being scientist, about my own want to be a Creator, for all reasons self, and human.

Yet many other humans live and own the same agreement and so we work together as a group.....just because we say we all agree.

And the humans not in our group OBSERVE us, and then advise us about what we do not observe about our selves. For we all already claim we know it all....yet say I must observe, force change and observe forcing change.

Does not make sense in that status of just being one self.....as a human being. The same one self who is living a human experience in billions of one diverse ability to own multi variations to the human experience. ONE.

Tells self, you know that science and UFO extra radiation mass converting illuminates and burns out natural gas history of Earth heavenly body in space...when no human scientist existed!

And that the asteroid wandering star body then has to by causes put back the gases that you scientist burn out....and then all life gets destroyed on Earth by the probability of it.

Natural exists first and not numbers. One of the first lies that a human scientist claims.
 

Israel12

Member
Jesus abolished all the OT Law. (Eph.2:15) (Col.2:14-17).

He then established a new Law (Jer.31:31-34) (Rom.3:27).

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Christ did not abolish the old testament law.. to say that means I can sleep with animals, I can refuse to pay my brother the day he works for me, I can crossdress, etc. All Commandments are to be kept except sacrifice cause he is the ultimate sacrifice
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Old testaments Incest in the Bible - Wikipedia

History of spiritual reasoning. Spirit owned pre formed, came out of the eternal as an eternal being. Otherwise there would be no bio life.

The highest presence used against radiation increase is WATER.

Natural God history says. Eternal and the eternal being changed their body and instead of singing the spirit language, a spirit, one spirit sang change. O God, a new language. So O God formed multi presences of communication in the eternal body...so caused a mass of the eternal to thin out. That thin veil burst and became the highest presence in space, water. O God bodies all burst and became original form in space.

Throughout natural history O bodies burning open into more and more space then burst. Scattered pre existing mass. Black hole as proof that the body mass was removed completely back to zero mass removal.

Space always owned water, the highest body closest historically to the eternal origins.

We came out only after a huge abundance of gases had filled back in space.

Males as brothers, owned a bio life body without bones. Were physical by mass of water quantity and pressure, as an eternal form. So also did not own death.

If that reality memory were not real, today no human would argue about being eternal. And not dying. It simply would not be expressed.

We are conscious proof of our owned memory.

As the brother to brother was sharing and discussing first science information, when he converted into a skeletal body inside of his own person, brother to brother science advice in feed back AI cause told him the exact conditions. As first information was natural and spiritual.

Animals came out of spirit as their own Father self split back into 2 spirit forms. Male and female pairing.

Then human parents....they were first brother and sister.

The story says, they were informed not to lay with each other....yet they did.

And historically life was destroyed by first science origins.

Therefore DNA genetics was mutated, and it was scientifically medically known that when 2 historic mutations were sexually conceived by familiarity, then it produced a human with mental problems and also health problems.

For the information was genetic inferred as to what causes radiation fall out science caused in natural life. So medical science had tried to implement a human ideal relationship of healing genetic conditions. How it was taught.

The theme Jesus said he chose not to have sex. As based on his personal conscious historic male awareness. The scientist history. And everything caused by that choice in natural history.

Adult sexual behaviour is based on the conditions of their conscious ability to not be radiated effected.

Hence male adults who have sex with little children prove to everyone how depraved the human psyche has become. For adults consensual body ownership is personal. That same privacy of adult choice is not owned by an innocent child.

Yet the male conscious aware self who knew that science depraved the human psyche gave self his own permission to be as abusive as he considers self is allowed. Claiming as any human does, and who is going to stop him?

Knowing that God historically in science is the Planet Earth stone body.

For choice is made based on aware and the history of knowledge.

Homosexual males cannot procreate any species. As a fact of it. And it is not a medical Genetic warning. It was previously a historic scientific medical aware statement.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
Christ did not abolish the old testament law.. to say that means I can sleep with animals, I can refuse to pay my brother the day he works for me, I can crossdress, etc. All Commandments are to be kept except sacrifice cause he is the ultimate sacrifice

Paul said the OT Law was "done away" or "abolished"

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be "done away": (2Cor.3:7)

15 Having "abolished" in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; (Eph.2:15).

(Jer.31:31-34) (Heb.8:6-13) (Heb.9:15-17) (Heb.10:9,10) all teach the OT Law was fulfilled, abolished, removed, came to an end.

A new law was established in (Ac.2).

It came with "power" (Joel 2:28) (Isa.2:1-5) (Luke 24:44-49) (Ac.1,5,8) (Ac. 2).



In this NT Law there are "rules" to obey according to (Phil.3:16) (Jn 3:19 - 21) and (Mt.7:21) (1Jn 2:3-6).

16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same "rule", let us mind the same thing. (Phil.3:16)

25 But whoso looketh into the perfect "law of liberty", and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. (Jas.1:25).

...the law of faith. (Rom.3:27)


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Nova2216

Active Member
But how do you determine truth, if not by reason and evidence?
The bible is just one of many books claiming to be God's word. It's not based on evidence. It's folklore.

People believe what they're been raised to believe; what their parents tell them; what society embraces -- not what is deduced from evidence and reason. Their opinions are based on familiarity, custom and emotion. If religious belief were based on actual evidence, religion, like science, would be much more homogenous.

My faith is not a blind leap in the dark as many suppose.

The bible is truth. It harmonizes.

At the very least if I am wrong I will be ok eternally.

What if your wrong?
 

Israel12

Member
Paul said the OT Law was "done away" or "abolished"

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be "done away": (2Cor.3:7)

15 Having "abolished" in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; (Eph.2:15).

(Jer.31:31-34) (Heb.8:6-13) (Heb.9:15-17) (Heb.10:9,10) all teach the OT Law was fulfilled, abolished, removed, came to an end.

A new law was established in (Ac.2).

It came with "power" (Joel 2:28) (Isa.2:1-5) (Luke 24:44-49) (Ac.1,5,8) (Ac. 2).



In this NT Law there are "rules" to obey according to (Phil.3:16) (Jn 3:19 - 21) and (Mt.7:21) (1Jn 2:3-6).

16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same "rule", let us mind the same thing. (Phil.3:16)

25 But whoso looketh into the perfect "law of liberty", and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. (Jas.1:25).

...the law of faith. (Rom.3:27)


Thanks
I'm going to explain why this is a gross interpretation of the scriptures. The only place you really need to go to would be Hebrews 10 to find out what LAW Paul was speaking about in the various texts

Hebrews 10:4-5
[4]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5]Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

The only thing Christ came to abolish or put to the side was sacrifice because he became that sacrifice. Now when we break the Sabbath day or are a homosexual or curse our parents, instead of our bodies being sacrificed, Christ is now the sacrifice that gives you forgiveness and this is plain in Acts

Acts 13:38-39
[38]Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
[39]And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

This does not mean we can break the Sabbath, we can eat what we want, or refuse to stand when the elder enters a room, or are allowed to crossdress, etc. By you saying Christ got rid of the old testament laws you are literally saying I can do whatever I want. So since Christ got rid of the old testament Commandments, I can rape, I can have sex with animals, I can be a homosexual, I can commit incest, I can dishonor the elder by refusing to stand when they enter, I can refuse to pay my brother the same day he works for me, I can crossdress, etc etc etc.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
I'm going to explain why this is a gross interpretation of the scriptures. The only place you really need to go to would be Hebrews 10 to find out what LAW Paul was speaking about in the various texts

Hebrews 10:4-5
[4]For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
[5]Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

The only thing Christ came to abolish or put to the side was sacrifice because he became that sacrifice. Now when we break the Sabbath day or are a homosexual or curse our parents, instead of our bodies being sacrificed, Christ is now the sacrifice that gives you forgiveness and this is plain in Acts

Acts 13:38-39
[38]Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
[39]And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

This does not mean we can break the Sabbath, we can eat what we want, or refuse to stand when the elder enters a room, or are allowed to crossdress, etc. By you saying Christ got rid of the old testament laws you are literally saying I can do whatever I want. So since Christ got rid of the old testament Commandments, I can rape, I can have sex with animals, I can be a homosexual, I can commit incest, I can dishonor the elder by refusing to stand when they enter, I can refuse to pay my brother the same day he works for me, I can crossdress, etc etc etc.


Your position assumes Gentiles were given the 10 commandments (OT Law).

The OT Law was given to the Jews as a nation.

I have made a covenant with thee and "with Israel" (Ex.34:27).



(Gal.5:4) says if you go back to the OT Law you fall from grace.

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.



(Gal, 4:22-31) teaches "all flesh" (Jew / Gentile) is now under the NT Law (not the OT Law).


Thanks
 
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