The Word of God

[Windwalker]

I’m not sure that this is relevant, but most of the ideas that people have about what their scriptures say don’t come from reading those scriptures themselves.

That's very much correct. Plop a Bible in front of someone who's never heard anything about it and have them read it, then have them write what they saw, and I'll wager everything that it will not resemble what you hear religious groups tell people is in there.

It's a magic trick to tell someone what it says, and then show them the words on the page, right there in black and white, and they go, "Wow! You're right! It is there. How come others can't see it?" Magic. The power of suggestion.

 

[MNoBody]

Word meaning christ himself, the creator's words incarnated, or word meaning physical scripture?

see where it bifurcates into myriad meanings ascribed to the same word ['word'- is the word in question]
is it a noun, is it a verb....is it even english?
how did the original scribes who first took the oral 'word", the spoken 'word',
set it out inscribed in a specific form, with jots and tittles, and all precisely just so, in a particular and peculiar way, and why did they do so?
so it could be interpreted any old way some different linguistical cultural group decides to interpret it?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

see where it bifurcates into myriad meanings ascribed to the same word ['word'- is the word in question]
is it a noun, is it a verb....is it even english?
how did the original scribes who first took the oral 'word", the spoken 'word',
set it out inscribed in a specific form, with jots and tittles, and all precisely just so, in a particular and peculiar way, and why did they do so?
so it could be interpreted any old way some different linguistical cultural group decides to interpret it?

What?

 

[izzy88]

Can god exist without his words?

Edit. Is god and his word/scripture are one and the same and cannot exist without each other?

God has no parts, so whatever God is, he is necessarily, and he could be no different.

 

[MNoBody]

What?

not to be taken as contentious on my part...we are just sharing ideas on this forum

 

[Unveiled Artist]

God has no parts, so whatever God is, he is necessarily, and he could be no different.

Can you rephrase?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

not to be taken as contentious on my part...we are just sharing ideas on this forum

Can you rephrase it?

It's jumbled.

 

[MNoBody]

Can you rephrase it?

It's jumbled.

it would be helpful to know which part, or parts require clarification,
so i could answer in hopefully a satisfactory way

 

[izzy88]

Can you rephrase?

To explain in a different way (and much more in-depth), your original question simply misunderstands what God is. By 'God' we are referring to the uncaused cause, the unmoved mover, the purely actual actualizer.

We know there must be a purely actual actualizer because nothing can be the cause of its own existence. To come into existence is an actualization of potential, and that potential cannot be actualized by the thing itself because it does not yet exist, so it must be actualized by something that already exists. And because nothing in the universe is eternal and unchanging, this means that there must necessarily be an unactualized actualizer - something that exists as pure actuality, that never came into existence, and that has no potential.

This is what we refer to as "God". Because God is purely actual, it means that he (or 'it', if you aren't a fan of the metaphorical language) has no potential; God could not be different than God is.

Now, when you talk about "God's Word", this is simply more metaphorical language used to refer to some characteristic of God. The Word (what the Greeks referred to as 'Logos') is not a 'part' of God but something like an aspect of God, a characteristic, and because God is purely actual it means every aspect and characteristic is necessary; it is logically impossible for any of them to be different than they are, because if they were we would no longer be talking about this thing we call 'God'.

I've probably done a terrible job at explaining all that, but I definitely welcome further questions and will do my best to clarify.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

it would be helpful to know which part, or parts require clarification,
so i could answer in hopefully a satisfactory way

All of it please

 

[MNoBody]

Unveiled Artist said:
Can god exist without his words?
.......
Is god and his word/scripture are one and the same and cannot exist without each other?

MNoBody said:
according to the story... in the beginning God spoke....and everything that is came to be,
both things visible and THINGS invisible.
So, by extension, we are all living within this spoken "WORD"
and are ourselves some manner of living word.
that is the basics of the story, in extremely simplified form.

it appears, as always, semantics and basic language comprehension and communication skills are still impaired in the species of 'man'.
which is at the root of all the 'word-wrangling' that keeps progress at a standstill.

Unveiled Artist said:
Word meaning christ himself, the creator's words incarnated, or word meaning physical scripture?

MNoBody said:
see where it bifurcates into myriad meanings ascribed to the same word
['word'- is the word in question]
is it a noun, is it a verb....is it even english?
how did the original scribes who first took the oral 'word", the spoken 'word',
set it out inscribed in a specific form, with jots and tittles,
and all precisely just so, in a particular and peculiar way, and why did they do so?
so it could be interpreted any old way
some different linguistical cultural group decides to interpret it?
------------
the conversation so far [the meaningful bits]
-----------
what is it you did not comprehend about what i first said?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Unveiled Artist said:
Can god exist without his words?
.......
Is god and his word/scripture are one and the same and cannot exist without each other?

MNoBody said:
according to the story... in the beginning God spoke....and everything that is came to be,
both things visible and THINGS invisible.
So, by extension, we are all living within this spoken "WORD"
and are ourselves some manner of living word.
that is the basics of the story, in extremely simplified form.

it appears, as always, semantics and basic language comprehension and communication skills are still impaired in the species of 'man'.
which is at the root of all the 'word-wrangling' that keeps progress at a standstill.

Unveiled Artist said:
Word meaning christ himself, the creator's words incarnated, or word meaning physical scripture?

MNoBody said:
see where it bifurcates into myriad meanings ascribed to the same word
['word'- is the word in question]
is it a noun, is it a verb....is it even english?
how did the original scribes who first took the oral 'word", the spoken 'word',
set it out inscribed in a specific form, with jots and tittles,
and all precisely just so, in a particular and peculiar way, and why did they do so?
so it could be interpreted any old way
some different linguistical cultural group decides to interpret it?
------------
the conversation so far [the meaningful bits]
-----------
what is it you did not comprehend about what i first said?

Please use the quote function or a way to seperate my comments from yours. The format makes it hard to understand.

 

[MNoBody]

Please use the quote function or a way to seperate my comments from yours. The format makes it hard to understand.

let's go back to the beginning-

MNoBody said:
according to the story... in the beginning God spoke....and everything that is came to be,
both things visible and THINGS invisible.
So, by extension, we are all living within this spoken "WORD"
and are ourselves some manner of living word.
that is the basics of the story, in extremely simplified form.

which is to say that this all is an allegory, a story about something

besides, those religious teachings were originally not written into textual readable words
they were spoken, oral teaching.
only comparatively recent have they been rendered into written text.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

let's go back to the beginning-which is to say that this all is an allegory, a story about something besides, those religious teachings were originally not written into textual readable words they were spoken, oral teaching. only comparatively recent have they been rendered into written text.

So, it's not? It is?

 

[rational experiences]

according to the story... in the beginning God spoke....and everything that is came to be,
both things visible and THINGS invisible.
So, by extension, we are all living within this spoken "WORD"
and are ourselves some manner of living word.
that is the basics of the story, in extremely simplified form.
it appears, as always, semantics and basic language comprehension and communication skills are still impaired in the species of 'man'.
which is at the root of all the 'word-wrangling' that keeps progress at a standstill.

Use some brain cells for once.

For a human being to be telling this story, a human being had to be present when they claimed God spoke.

Whereas they lived first, no science.

They reacted a condition in which they had never previously existed....the reaction itself.

They gained science from a VISION research about Earth in natural history.

They encoded their own speaking voice in the fission reaction condition owned by machine radio wave/radiation causes.

A male had to think about what conditions he would entail a circle meant by mass.

O the UFO radiation mass ball, in its last portion of attacking fusion...with a huge water massed Earth right up to mountain tips. His theory for thinking O pi and then O PHI. Where the thinking of a human male group agreed upon the terms science a long time ago.

 

[MNoBody]

Use some brain cells for once.

For a human being to be telling this story, a human being had to be present when they claimed God spoke.

hmm...nice attitude.
to respond- if that is the standard you chose to use,
then a human would have had to be present at the big bang moment
to be able to claim it was the way it happened.....No???

 

[rational experiences]

hmm...nice attitude.
to respond- if that is the standard you chose to use,
then a human would have had to be present at the big bang moment
to be able to claim it was the way it happened.....No???

That would be right.

Meaning would be living in a natural environment. In all natural living conditions when a big bang blasted.

Science says that it owns a beginning formula and an end formula.

Science says I was once a higher life human form before my science machine reaction irradiated my life. My machine owned use of a portion reaction of radiation mass...and the Sun owned the natural radiation mass release.

My machine used a portion, the rest did ground fission, not my machine theory at all.

Humans owned a healthy changed bio life, the life we all own today. Proof to self by using that formula in a nuclear power plant reactor.

Then life begins to die, for the radiation level is increased....and life only survives for about 100 years of a bio life.

Then life would have died in the big bang explosion.

So if you were alive in human history owning DNA that was being sacrificed and then all life ended, would you not today own that memory in a relived/regained life returned status?

Males in their science psyche said, God created Satan and tell a story about Satan plummeted into the deep pit of space...….O black holes and dust particles and gas.

Males only ever taught that God was the O stone planet. For you have to be alive, living on a planet to own science and practice science.

If a human being idealizes a mass of stone blasting and creating particles, and changing, then they would have lived witnessing it.

For you cannot talk about a human pondered term, unless you are living as a human pondering it, owning your own natural form. Then you would ask self how do you know terms of stories, unless the stories already existed?

 

[MNoBody]

That would be right.

Meaning would be living in a natural environment. In all natural living conditions when a big bang blasted.

Science says that it owns a beginning formula and an end formula.

Science says I was once a higher life human form before my science machine reaction irradiated my life. My machine owned use of a portion reaction of radiation mass...and the Sun owned the natural radiation mass release.

My machine used a portion, the rest did ground fission, not my machine theory at all.

Humans owned a healthy changed bio life, the life we all own today. Proof to self by using that formula in a nuclear power plant reactor.

Then life begins to die, for the radiation level is increased....and life only survives for about 100 years of a bio life.

Then life would have died in the big bang explosion.

So if you were alive in human history owning DNA that was being sacrificed and then all life ended, would you not today own that memory in a relived/regained life returned status?

Males in their science psyche said, God created Satan and tell a story about Satan plummeted into the deep pit of space...….O black holes and dust particles and gas.

Males only ever taught that God was the O stone planet. For you have to be alive, living on a planet to own science and practice science.

If a human being idealizes a mass of stone blasting and creating particles, and changing, then they would have lived witnessing it.

For you cannot talk about a human pondered term, unless you are living as a human pondering it, owning your own natural form. Then you would ask self how do you know terms of stories, unless the stories already existed?

well alrighty then, thanks for sharing all that.

 

[dfnj]

I think he set limitations for himself. I can't remember how, though.

There's an herb you can take to help your memory but I forget what it is.

 

[dfnj]

hmmmm…..yes He does

for His creation to hold AS firmament
it must behave in a manner....firmly so

as for miracles performed by Prophets.....yes....that was cheating

In one dimension it holds. In another dimension Trump is president and everything is chaos. God has not limitations. There are plenty of space-time dimensions and alternate realities for God to be whatever you claim Him to be. Once you include the attribute "omnipotent" all the laws of logic and physics get thrown out the window.