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Coping with a crisis

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
As someone who is retired and single (both parents dead), lives alone, and whose friends are scattered somewhat with none close by, and having a house of my own together with no particular commitments and no debts, I mostly have just to worry about not getting the virus and just getting sufficient to eat - which mainly isn't that much of a bother even if it requires a little more searching than usual. My income is modest but reasonably secure and I live such as not to ever get into any debts - something learned from the past. Of course I still worry that the virus might take some of my friends, a few being older than myself and possibly in worse health, and I'm not so complacent to think that I would necessarily survive although I'm probably in better health that most my age and I've never smoked so that helps apparently. I'm also someone who can enjoy company when available but can also manage for long periods without such.

However, I can fully understand how so many others will be feeling when their circumstances are very different from mine. Many will have families to look after, particularly their children, and possibly elderly relatives, and might even have problems with their jobs and/or their financial arrangements. So their worries are compounded. The Coronavirus must be exceptionally worrying for many because of these additional considerations, such as to be rather difficult to put into perspective. This is particularly so because, as most will now know, nothing on this scale has really existed in living memory apart from the last atrocious world war.

We will survive this - or at least most will - and we will eventually get back to some normal way of living, so how we behave during these trying times will perhaps reflect how much resilience and adaptability we possess, and also perhaps how much we are willing to deprive others in order to survive or maintain our expectations. This latter however might perhaps haunt us if we do such.

How we react to this crisis might depend upon two things - how we can handle uncertainty and how we can handle risk and/or fear. Those perhaps less secure, and for whom order and having expectations of how things are done, with little room for uncertainties (as in getting a constant and reliable supply of food or whatever) will find the situation where this is not so more troubling. Also, those who have never had to deal with risks or threats to well-being might equally not be prepared sufficiently to cope with what could well be a threat to their lives. This last is important since although the virus is most likely to threaten the elderly and/or those with existing health issues, this is not a guarantee that those younger and/or healthy will not be affected by it.

I tend to be in the former camp, being a little OCD in preferring to have a buffer rather than running out of things, but perhaps no more than most. However, I am able to accept risks to myself perhaps more than most without reacting unreasonably, having done many things which have provided such situations (*) and it does seem that we do tend to get more immune with such experiences. As many will have gathered from my posts, I'm also quite comfortable with doubt such as not to rely on any particular belief system. For others, no doubt mental attitudes alone (or certain beliefs) will provide that necessary to deal with whatever happens.

How do you see yourself in relation to this crisis - as having what particular issues and/or strengths to cope with it?


* My immunity, if one can call it that, mainly comes from having done a lot of risky physical activities such as caving, rock-climbing, mountaineering, and yachting, for example, but might also have come from having done a lot of cycling and motorbiking, both of which entail being more vulnerable than most other road-users, particularly the former when done in a city environment, and visibility on the road is the main factor for the latter although the temptation to use the speed available might also be another one.
 
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mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
As someone who is retired and single (both parents dead), lives alone, and whose friends are scattered somewhat with none close by, and having a house of my own together with no particular commitments and no debts, I mostly have just to worry about not getting the virus and just getting sufficient to eat - which mainly isn't that much of a bother even if it requires a little more searching than usual. My income is modest but reasonably secure and I live such as not to ever get into any debts - something learned from the past. Of course I still worry that the virus might take some of my friends, a few being older than myself and possibly in worse health, and I'm not so complacent to think that I would necessarily survive although I'm probably in better health that most my age and I've never smoked so that helps apparently. I'm also someone who can enjoy company when available but can also manage for long periods without such.

However, I can fully understand how so many others will be feeling when their circumstances are very different from mine. Many will have families to look after, particularly their children, and possibly elderly relatives, and might even have problems with their jobs and/or their financial arrangements. So their worries are compounded. The Coronavirus must be exceptionally worrying for many because of these additional considerations, such as to be rather difficult to put into perspective. This is particularly so because, as most will now know, nothing on this scale has really existed in living memory apart from the last atrocious world war.

We will survive this - or at least most will - and we will eventually get back to some normal way of living, so how we behave during these trying times will perhaps reflect how much resilience and adaptability we possess, and also perhaps how much we are willing to deprive others in order to survive or maintain our expectations. This latter however might perhaps haunt us if we do such.

How we react to this crisis might depend upon two things - how we can handle uncertainty and how we can handle risk and/or fear. Those perhaps less secure, and for whom order and having expectations of how things are done, with little room for uncertainties (as in getting a constant and reliable supply of food or whatever) will find the situation where this is not so more troubling. Also, those who have never had to deal with risks or threats to well-being might equally not be prepared sufficiently to cope with what could well be a threat to their lives. This last is important since although the virus is most likely to threaten the elderly and/or those with existing health issues, this is not a guarantee that those younger and/or healthy will not be affected by it.

I tend to be in the former camp, being a little OCD in preferring to have a buffer rather than running out of things, but perhaps no more than most. However, I am able to accept risks to myself perhaps more than most without reacting unreasonably, having done many things which have provided such situations (*) and it does seem that we do tend to get more immune with such experiences. As many will have gathered from my posts, I'm also quite comfortable with doubt such as not to rely on any particular belief system. For others, no doubt mental attitudes alone (or certain beliefs) will provide that necessary to deal with whatever happens.

Where do you see yourself?

* My immunity, if one can call it that, mainly comes from having done a lot of risky physical activities such as caving, rock-climbing, mountaineering, and yachting, for example, but might also have come from having done a lot of cycling and motorbiking, both of which entail being more vulnerable than most other road-users, particularly the former when done in a city environment, and visibility on the road is the main factor for the latter although the temptation to use the speed available might also be another one.

You have been lucky in your life. Not all humans have been as lucky as you. They don't have the economic security like you, their life circumstances are different, they don't have the cognitive abilities like you nor do they have the age, you have.

So you can't transfer your coping skills one to one to other humans. I get what you are saying and I am similar to you, but I get the limitations of using one's own situation as a template for others.

Regards
Mikkel
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
As someone who is retired and single (both parents dead), lives alone, and whose friends are scattered somewhat with none close by, and having a house of my own together with no particular commitments and no debts, I mostly have just to worry about not getting the virus and just getting sufficient to eat - which mainly isn't that much of a bother even if it requires a little more searching than usual. My income is modest but reasonably secure and I live such as not to ever get into any debts - something learned from the past. Of course I still worry that the virus might take some of my friends, a few being older than myself and possibly in worse health, and I'm not so complacent to think that I would necessarily survive although I'm probably in better health that most my age and I've never smoked so that helps apparently. I'm also someone who can enjoy company when available but can also manage for long periods without such.

However, I can fully understand how so many others will be feeling when their circumstances are very different from mine. Many will have families to look after, particularly their children, and possibly elderly relatives, and might even have problems with their jobs and/or their financial arrangements. So their worries are compounded. The Coronavirus must be exceptionally worrying for many because of these additional considerations, such as to be rather difficult to put into perspective. This is particularly so because, as most will now know, nothing on this scale has really existed in living memory apart from the last atrocious world war.

We will survive this - or at least most will - and we will eventually get back to some normal way of living, so how we behave during these trying times will perhaps reflect how much resilience and adaptability we possess, and also perhaps how much we are willing to deprive others in order to survive or maintain our expectations. This latter however might perhaps haunt us if we do such.

How we react to this crisis might depend upon two things - how we can handle uncertainty and how we can handle risk and/or fear. Those perhaps less secure, and for whom order and having expectations of how things are done, with little room for uncertainties (as in getting a constant and reliable supply of food or whatever) will find the situation where this is not so more troubling. Also, those who have never had to deal with risks or threats to well-being might equally not be prepared sufficiently to cope with what could well be a threat to their lives. This last is important since although the virus is most likely to threaten the elderly and/or those with existing health issues, this is not a guarantee that those younger and/or healthy will not be affected by it.

I tend to be in the former camp, being a little OCD in preferring to have a buffer rather than running out of things, but perhaps no more than most. However, I am able to accept risks to myself perhaps more than most without reacting unreasonably, having done many things which have provided such situations (*) and it does seem that we do tend to get more immune with such experiences. As many will have gathered from my posts, I'm also quite comfortable with doubt such as not to rely on any particular belief system. For others, no doubt mental attitudes alone (or certain beliefs) will provide that necessary to deal with whatever happens.

Where do you see yourself?

* My immunity, if one can call it that, mainly comes from having done a lot of risky physical activities such as caving, rock-climbing, mountaineering, and yachting, for example, but might also have come from having done a lot of cycling and motorbiking, both of which entail being more vulnerable than most other road-users, particularly the former when done in a city environment, and visibility on the road is the main factor for the latter although the temptation to use the speed available might also be another one.

I'm not sure if you were asking a question for discussion. I live alone, in an older home 65up and I'm 39 with a disability. I have SSI and can't work over a certain amount. I've always lived dependent on the government whether it's over $5,000 worth of meds I take daily or MRIs and CTs and Docs visits etc.

So, best I do is to take things in perspective. I can't worry for other people. Doing that will get me sick. I live with people who are "at high risk" but I don't think anyone has traveled the country, talked with a stranger, or have any condition less worse than the virus. So many people here have health issues that it's hard to tell whether one "should" panic because a lot have worse conditions. Others live with various coronaviruses. The most common sense thing they've already been doing is watching who they are around it.

A lot of it is perspective. Keep going on with life and do what you can. Life itself hasn't changed in the last 24 hours so much that the virus will knock at your door just because.

I'm not one to find gratitude by thinking comparing my pain to someone else's. I'm not one to say, be grateful, others have it worse. Because it's a balance. Not many people had brain surgery but I don't want them to use my pain as a means to be gratful for their health. Find gratitude in yourself and your situation etc.

If this was a bit off, I'm sorry. I'm on my phone so I didn't back track like I usually do with longer posts.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I'm not sure if you were asking a question for discussion. I live alone, in an older home 65up and I'm 39 with a disability. I have SSI and can't work over a certain amount. I've always lived dependent on the government whether it's over $5,000 worth of meds I take daily or MRIs and CTs and Docs visits etc.

So, best I do is to take things in perspective. I can't worry for other people. Doing that will get me sick. I live with people who are "at high risk" but I don't think anyone has traveled the country, talked with a stranger, or have any condition less worse than the virus. So many people here have health issues that it's hard to tell whether one "should" panic because a lot have worse conditions. Others live with various coronaviruses. The most common sense thing they've already been doing is watching who they are around it.

A lot of it is perspective. Keep going on with life and do what you can. Life itself hasn't changed in the last 24 hours so much that the virus will knock at your door just because.

I'm not one to find gratitude by thinking comparing my pain to someone else's. I'm not one to say, be grateful, others have it worse. Because it's a balance. Not many people had brain surgery but I don't want them to use my pain as a means to be gratful for their health. Find gratitude in yourself and your situation etc.

If this was a bit off, I'm sorry. I'm on my phone so I didn't back track like I usually do with longer posts.

Bingo. I am also on SSI Danish version and have had to learn the same as you.

Regards and love
Mikkel
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
You have been lucky in your life. Not all humans have been as lucky as you. They don't have the economic security like you, their life circumstances are different, they don't have the cognitive abilities like you nor do they have the age, you have.

So you can't transfer your coping skills one to one to other humans. I get what you are saying and I am similar to you, but I get the limitations of using one's own situation as a template for others.

Regards
Mikkel

True. I wasn't suggesting otherwise. I've been lucky in some ways but not so lucky in others.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
I'm not sure if you were asking a question for discussion. I live alone, in an older home 65up and I'm 39 with a disability. I have SSI and can't work over a certain amount. I've always lived dependent on the government whether it's over $5,000 worth of meds I take daily or MRIs and CTs and Docs visits etc.

So, best I do is to take things in perspective. I can't worry for other people. Doing that will get me sick. I live with people who are "at high risk" but I don't think anyone has traveled the country, talked with a stranger, or have any condition less worse than the virus. So many people here have health issues that it's hard to tell whether one "should" panic because a lot have worse conditions. Others live with various coronaviruses. The most common sense thing they've already been doing is watching who they are around it.

A lot of it is perspective. Keep going on with life and do what you can. Life itself hasn't changed in the last 24 hours so much that the virus will knock at your door just because.

I'm not one to find gratitude by thinking comparing my pain to someone else's. I'm not one to say, be grateful, others have it worse. Because it's a balance. Not many people had brain surgery but I don't want them to use my pain as a means to be gratful for their health. Find gratitude in yourself and your situation etc.

If this was a bit off, I'm sorry. I'm on my phone so I didn't back track like I usually do with longer posts.

No problem. I did ask as to how others see themselves in relation to all this.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Well, life is always a game of how lucky you are in some sense.

Regards
Mikkel

Any of the things that might be positive for myself have to be balanced against all the others that I lack and which will no doubt help others a lot more - such as the support and comfort of others in their household and more regular contact with others (via the internet or phone, for example). Our own mental health will obviously be important and fortunately I am in the best place I have ever been so can't complain there. If our economic situation really gets to be bad, as in a complete collapse and with high inflation, I will likely be worse off as my income is relatively fixed although having the house obviously is some security.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Any of the things that might be positive for myself have to be balanced against all the others that I lack and which will no doubt help others a lot more - such as the support and comfort of others in their household and more regular contact with others (via the internet or phone, for example). Our own mental health will obviously be important and fortunately I am in the best place I have ever been so can't complain there. If our economic situation really gets to be bad, as in a complete collapse and with high inflation, I will likely be worse off as my income is relatively fixed although having the house obviously is some security.

Well, since my wife is a public servant and I am on social early retirement pension, we rely on the state making it.

Regards
Mikkel
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Well, since my wife is a public servant and I am on social early retirement pension, we rely on the state making it.

Regards
Mikkel

Well hopefully we won't get to such a state.

I updated the question asked in the OP to make it clearer, and the following might be worth a look for those who might consider themselves more introverted (which I would have done for much of the time):

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-introverts-edge-social-distancing-psychologist.html
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Well hopefully we won't get to such a state.

I updated the question asked in the OP to make it clearer, and the following might be worth a look for those who might consider themselves more introverted (which I would have done for much of the time):

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-introverts-edge-social-distancing-psychologist.html

Well, as an introvert I am lucky, because I get my social interaction from my wife and I have learned to do with that as good enough.
But yes, it is hard to be in social distancing, but I have already learn that in effect, because I am an Aspie.

Regards
Mikkel
 
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