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"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. "?

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."

It is a "winner" sentence( written by our friend @HonestJoe in his post #104 ) . I appreciate it.
Does one agree with the sentence colored in magenta above?
If not, why not, please?

Regards
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."

It is a "winner" sentence( written by our friend @HonestJoe in his post #104 ) . I appreciate it.
Does one agree with the sentence colored in magenta above?
If not, why not, please?

Regards
Of course it's true. I find when I have questions about what to do and I pray; then after I pray I often have a rational answer. That is my mind becomes more logical, more rational and suddenly I have my answer based on reason.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."

It is a "winner" sentence( written by our friend @HonestJoe in his post #104 ) . I appreciate it.
Does one agree with the sentence colored in magenta above?
If not, why not, please?

Regards
Well belief itself is irrational. if something was the case, then you wouldn't need belief anymore.

If for any reason its that there is not a single shred of supporting evidence in many cases.

It's especially true in people's attempts to validate an actual proactive God.

However it isn't irrational to have a belief itself because I think all beliefs are based off of interpretation, putting at least some rationality behind it. The problem comes when people take reality and fabricate and embellish to make something 'fit' when it clearly doesn't.
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."
The greatest Saints, Rishis, Sages and Wise men all advised Spirituality being most important in life
Knowing above fact, I would say: "Not believing in Spirituality, seems irrational":D

I don't say, that one should believe or one should not believe
But, until Spirituality is proven wrong, it seems irrational to claim "I do not believe in Spirituality"
The Wise remain silent, until they "KNOW"
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."
Does one agree with the sentence colored in magenta above?
If not, why not, please?
Regards
Assuming you're referring to the second sentence in magenta, it's hardly a logical statement. It's like saying, water makes water. A thing can't make itself.

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A Vestigial Mote

Well-Known Member
Of course it's true. I find when I have questions about what to do and I pray; then after I pray I often have a rational answer. That is my mind becomes more logical, more rational and suddenly I have my answer based on reason.
This is probably when the reality washes over you that praying doesn't actually do anything and you're left on your own to solve the problem anyway, right?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."

It is a "winner" sentence( written by our friend @HonestJoe in his post #104 ) . I appreciate it.
Does one agree with the sentence colored in magenta above?
If not, why not, please?

Regards

I agree. Belief in god doesn't make one irrational. We believe our wife or husband loves us even though love is not an action but an (edit) but highly biological, psychological, and physiological in nature that doesn't depend on the relationship one has with the other person just the response to external stimuli.

I heard it put like this
You’re Excited, Not Nervous. You Just Keep Telling Yourself That.

So! Repeat after me: You’re not nervous; you’re excited. You’re not nervous; you’re excited. You just keep telling yourself that until it works. I’m excited for you!

Regardless the external stimuli, how we think about our experience and our body reaction is natural just as the experience of love.

The belief in god, like belief in love, isn't irrational. It gives the same body response in that belief from people all over the world regardless their religion. How one is intuned with their body, mind, consciousness response depends on the practice but the physiological and psychological part is the same because we are all human.

It's not irrational because god is seen as an external stimuli, and if that stimuli, like love, helps a person feel better about life, I wouldnt knock it down. It becomes irrational when one believes in god for the sake of believing and nothing more. Personally, lack of evidence for god (and love) is besides the point.

For many people, belief in god is the cause of rational thinking. The problem isn't god, though, just how we use our feelings and interpretations for the betterment or "worsement" of people and their well-being. Their response can be irrational at times but their belief, not always.
 
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74x12

Well-Known Member
This is probably when the reality washes over you that praying doesn't actually do anything and you're left on your own to solve the problem anyway, right?
I am by nature a self reliant person. (middle child syndrome? :p) I don't like to ask people for help. (I do ask for help, but I don't like it) Usually it's something I've been trying to figure out for awhile already.

I believe God changes my perspective to help me see what I need to do.
 

danieldemol

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."

It is a "winner" sentence( written by our friend @HonestJoe in his post #104 ) . I appreciate it.
Does one agree with the sentence colored in magenta above?
If not, why not, please?

Regards
I think it's a shame you cut out the part of his post that contradicts Ahmadiyya teaching (ie homeopathy).
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I am by nature a self reliant person. (middle child syndrome? :p) I don't like to ask people for help. (I do ask for help, but I don't like it) Usually it's something I've been trying to figure out for awhile already.

I believe God changes my perspective to help me see what I need to do.
"I believe God changes my perspective to help me see what I need to do."

A good experience.

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I agree. Belief in god doesn't make one irrational. We believe our wife or husband loves us even though love is not an action but an (edit) but highly biological, psychological, and physiological in nature that doesn't depend on the relationship one has with the other person just the response to external stimuli.

I heard it put like this
You’re Excited, Not Nervous. You Just Keep Telling Yourself That.

So! Repeat after me: You’re not nervous; you’re excited. You’re not nervous; you’re excited. You just keep telling yourself that until it works. I’m excited for you!

Regardless the external stimuli, how we think about our experience and our body reaction is natural just as the experience of love.

The belief in god, like belief in love, isn't irrational. It gives the same body response in that belief from people all over the world regardless their religion. How one is intuned with their body, mind, consciousness response depends on the practice but the physiological and psychological part is the same because we are all human.

It's not irrational because god is seen as an external stimuli, and if that stimuli, like love, helps a person feel better about life, I wouldnt knock it down. It becomes irrational when one believes in god for the sake of believing and nothing more. Personally, lack of evidence for god (and love) is besides the point.

For many people, belief in god is the cause of rational thinking. The problem isn't god, though, just how we use our feelings and interpretations for the betterment or "worsement" of people and their well-being. Their response can be irrational at times but their belief, not always.
"I agree. Belief in god doesn't make one irrational."
"The belief in god, like belief in love, isn't irrational. "
"It's not irrational because god is seen as an external stimuli, and if that stimuli, like love, helps a person feel better about life, I wouldnt knock it down."
"Their response can be irrational at times but their belief, not always."

Thanks for agreeing and expressing one's thoughts so elaborately and beautifully as above.

Regards
 
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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."

It is a "winner" sentence( written by our friend @HonestJoe in his post #104 ) . I appreciate it.
Does one agree with the sentence colored in magenta above?
If not, why not, please?

Regards

I agree with it. I find dichotomous beliefs kinda irrational.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
paarsurrey said:
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."

It is a "winner" sentence( written by our friend @HonestJoe in his post #104 ) . I appreciate it.
Does one agree with the sentence colored in magenta above?
If not, why not, please?
I agree with it. I find dichotomous beliefs kinda irrational.

Thanks for agreeing with friend @HonestJoe and with me on the topic.
Please elaborate on the "dichotomous beliefs".

Regards
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
paarsurrey said:
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."

It is a "winner" sentence( written by our friend @HonestJoe in his post #104 ) . I appreciate it.
Does one agree with the sentence colored in magenta above?
If not, why not, please?


Thanks for agreeing with friend @HonestJoe and with me on the topic.
Please elaborate on the "dichotomous beliefs".

Regards

Basically, dividing things up into black and white boxes appears to always be wrong, to me.
Conflating theism with irrational only makes sense to me if we simply conflate 'human' with irrational, since every human I've ever met has some measure of irrationality.
And, whilst they have a measure of irrationality, so too do they have a measure of rationality.
This is universal.

Only the mix changes.

We are all both irrational and rational, and plucking one thing out as the key determinant seems simplistic.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Basically, dividing things up into black and white boxes appears to always be wrong, to me.
Conflating theism with irrational only makes sense to me if we simply conflate 'human' with irrational, since every human I've ever met has some measure of irrationality.
And, whilst they have a measure of irrationality, so too do they have a measure of rationality.
This is universal.

Only the mix changes.

We are all both irrational and rational, and plucking one thing out as the key determinant seems simplistic.

I agree with one that there is generally a mix of rationality and irrationality in both non-believers and the believers.
The purpose of my threads* these days is that both non-believers and believers should turn to G-d, while the scientists are set to find some vaccine or cure of the Corona-Virus, the common enemy of both these kind of human beings. Right, please?

Regards
____________
*What is wrong if human beings turn to G-d?
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. "?
Are love and fear both good for turning to G-d?
Is fear a blessing of G-d as is love?


 
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InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. Being irrational makes a person irrational."

It is a "winner" sentence( written by our friend @HonestJoe in his post #104 ) . I appreciate it.
Does one agree with the sentence colored in magenta above?
If not, why not, please?

Regards

Believing in a God can be irrational. One can imagine a God who is not the real God. Do you think everyone who believes in a God, is believing in the real God? Maybe they are imagining a God in their mind and think he is real, but it could be an unreal god who is nothing but an imagination in their head.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
I never believed, I challenged belief.
I asked questions and studied answers and thought owning conditions, to trust.

For spirit challenged me as much as I challenged spirit....for I was taught we are equal.

Therefore just because a state or discussion says, diverse, different, yes it is different but it is equal to me.

God is my equal.

So I then can quantify conditions that says and God is my equal from various discussions and references.

What spirit is, always was, always will be....eternal.
How an eternal body could change, lose a part of itself by imposing logic, and where God came from.

Then God stated to be O angels....all the bodies held in spatial creation.

Then where our bio Nature came from, only after all the gases were formed, evolved and were natural. We came out of the eternal spirit, the highest place, and converted.

For that is what the state creation does...it converts.

So I can say, in natural history I am equal to God by INFORMATION....not by diversity. For I would lie to self if I said I owned the same story.

I only came from the same place.

Why my brothers said, as a Father adult human spiritual being, I created God....stating I released it from the eternal when I was in eternal. Not when he was a human.

Then I could say....and then because my brothers did not want to be stuck living in a lower life form...human they tried pyramid conversion. And converted self into a lower life form...bio life human with pain and suffering.

At the same time, changing converting the atmospheric natural communications, radio waves...they encoded their own image of the God self, a VISION, an IMAGE of self...and so said self was the God self....in 2 places.

In his vision and also in his image.

For he was only ever talking about what he caused.

Therefore I learnt about the Father of God our human holy spiritual Father, and his story and his message, why I believe in the Father of God.

But I do not quote God the stone to be my Father, for if you change God the stone it destroys us.

Why believing in God is not wrong......just who references what God you are talking about is the wrong thinker.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Believing in a God can be irrational. One can imagine a God who is not the real God. Do you think everyone who believes in a God, is believing in the real God? Maybe they are imagining a God in their mind and think he is real, but it could be an unreal god who is nothing but an imagination in their head.
Please.
The purpose of my threads* these days is that both non-believers and believers should turn to G-d, while the scientists are set to find some vaccine or cure of the Corona-Virus, the common enemy of both these kind of human beings. Right, please?

Regards
____________
*What is wrong if human beings turn to G-d?
"Believing in God in itself doesn't make a person irrational. "?
Are love and fear both good for turning to G-d?
Is fear a blessing of G-d as is love?
 
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