Science, religion and the truth

[Polymath257]

I believe even the most logical mind requires "intuition" to invent hypotheses and design experiment. Some people operate almost only on logic and some almost only on intuition. I'm among the latter. As a child I was the former but I wasn't extremely good at it so switched.

The advantage of intuition is that it's far faster but the disadvantages are apparent to all.

Oh, I am certainly not saying that intuition is unimportant. It is absolutely crucial for coming up with new ideas and new things to play with. Even in the 'logical' arena of mathematics, intuition is vital.

However it is a particularly bad way to get *knowledge*. It *always* needs to be tested and verified. I'd say intuition is more often correct in most situations where someone has previous knowledge of things that are similar and is often really, really bad outside of that narrow range.

Again, this is true even in the 'logical' area of math: there are a large number of provable statements that are very counter to intuition. Alternatively, there are a great number of intuitive statements that are quite difficult to prove.

Of course, logic also needs to be tested and verified: mostly logic is applied to some model and the model needs to be tested and verified as well.

 

[Polymath257]

This is what you don't ( or can't ) understand. Consciousness is NOT in the brain.
It's not in any physical organ of the physical body. It is NOT physical.
You will never "see" it or grasp it in ANY way that is objective.

In short, "consciousness" IS "God".

I strongly disagree. From everything we can tell, consciousness is one type of brain process. We can even control the loss of consciousness (anesthetics, for example) to some degree. Things that affect the brain also affect our consciousness, often leading to even personality changes.

It isn't that I don't understand. I understand what you are saying. I simply don't agree.

Also, I don't believe in deities.

 

[Polymath257]

Yes, this is my exact point. Scientist are like little children playing in the dirt.
They are forever seeking and looking in all the wrong places out of "ignorance",
which is "ignoring" the basic fundamental aspect of their own being....."consciousness".

And yet, somehow, they have been able to send probes to Mars, cure diseases, and make computers.

Those focusing on consciousness through mysticism weren't able to do a tenth as much with tens times as much time.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

I strongly disagree. From everything we can tell, consciousness is one type of brain process. We can even control the loss of consciousness (anesthetics, for example) to some degree. Things that affect the brain also affect our consciousness, often leading to even personality changes.

It isn't that I don't understand. I understand what you are saying. I simply don't agree.

Also, I don't believe in deities.

Consciousness is eternal, without beginning, without end.

You will NEVER get away from your "SELF"
even after you die, your "SELF" will be saying to you,
"Look, now you are dead "

 

[Polymath257]

Consciousness is eternal, without beginning, without end.

You will NEVER get away from your "SELF"
even after you die, your "SELF" will be saying to you,
"Look, now you are dead "

According to your opinion. Do you have any actual evidence of this?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes, this is my exact point. Scientist are like little children playing in the dirt.
They are forever seeking and looking in all the wrong places out of "ignorance",
which is "ignoring" the basic fundamental aspect of their own being....."consciousness".

Well, consciousness is a part of it, but not the only part, because their being is not just consciousness.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

And yet, somehow, they have been able to send probes to Mars, cure diseases, and make computers.

Those focusing on consciousness through mysticism weren't able to do a tenth as much with tens times as much time.

Listen, there are plenty of people right now who can go to ANY physical location in this universe
"consciously". They don't need "probes".
They can also "heal" diseases with the power of their minds (consciousness).

You think you know a lot, but don't really know just how "ignorant" you really are.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Consciousness is eternal, without beginning, without end.

You will NEVER get away from your "SELF"
even after you die, your "SELF" will be saying to you,
"Look, now you are dead "

You can believe that. Others believe differently. That seems to point that there is something subjective going on.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

This is what you don't ( or can't ) understand. Consciousness is NOT in the brain.
It's not in any physical organ of the physical body. It is NOT physical.
You will never "see" it or grasp it in ANY way that is objective.

In short, "consciousness" IS "God".

So self and consciousness is God. So you are God?

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

According to your opinion. Do you have any actual evidence of this?

Yes.....there are TWO of "you".
Here , I will show you..................wait for it.............wait for it........
..........wait for it..............wait for it.....


THERE, do you see ?
no ?


Then "who" were "you" talking to while you were waiting ?
if not your "SELF" ?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Listen, there are plenty of people right now who can go to ANY physical location in this universe
"consciously". They don't need "probes".
They can also "heal" diseases with the power of their minds (consciousness).

You think you know a lot, but don't really know just how "ignorant" you really are.

Please visit me.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

So self and consciousness is God. So you are God?

that's correct.....and so are YOU

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

that's correct.....and so are YOU

Okay, that is not the God I believe. So since I am God, I decide that your God is not God. Fun times.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

Well, consciousness is a part of it, but not the only part, because their being is not just consciousness.

Consciousness is ALL there is.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

Okay, that is not the God I believe. So since I am God, I decide that your God is not God. Fun times.

Yes, of course, the Father wants "pets", instead of "children".

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Consciousness is ALL there is.

No! Now that is also a part of consciousness. So atheists are mistaken yet also God and are the same as you, because all there is. is consciousness. Nice!

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes, of course, the Father wants "pets", instead of "children".

But it is all the same, because all there is, is consciousness. So The Farther and the "pets" are the same, as all there is, is consciousness.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

No! Now that is also a part of consciousness. So atheists are mistaken yet also God and are the same as you, because all there is. is consciousness. Nice!

Yes, just because you don't yet "know" who you are,
doesn't mean you will never know.

Because I can assure you that this whole world will KNOW soon.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Yes, just because you don't yet "know" who you are,
doesn't mean you will never know.

Because I can assure that this whole world will KNOW soon.

So not knowing and knowing is the same, since all there is, is consciousness.

 

[WhyIsThatSo]

But it is all the same, because all there is, is consciousness. So The Farther and the "pets" are the same, as all there is, is consciousness.

Right now, you and others like Polymath257, are "UNCONSCIOUS" .
Oh, I know you think you are "aware"....and you are "aware"
BUT you are not aware of your "SELF".