The Great Deception of Christianity - Departing the Faith (the Word)

[3rdAngel]

Then I guess you don't believe in Jesus when he said he'd start his Church (singular) and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "Church" means community, which is also what Paul said when he said the Church need to be or "one body" (again, singular). There are no statements from Jesus or the Apostles that suggests multiple bodies with different teachings.

JESUS is the Word of God *JOHN 1:1-4; 14 and this is what God's Church is based on which are the teachings and words of JESUS, the Apostles and the prophets not man made teachings and traditions that lead others away from God's Word to break his commandments. I believe according to the scriptures those who teach man made traditions and teachings that break the commandments of God are the teachings of the antichrist.

 

[sojourner]

Indeed I did. As the scriptures provided say not everyone will accept or believe the Gospel. All MARK 16:25 says is that the gospel will be given to everyone.

You're talking out both sides of your mouth. Either, as Mark says, the gospel is for everyone, or (as you say) it isn't. Which are we to believe? You? Or Mark? You say that the good news is only for believers. This stands in strict juxtaposition to Mark.

Nonsense.

What's nonsense? That you're better off becoming a Christian than not? That's what I said, and you're calling that statement "nonsense."

 

[3rdAngel]

You're talking out both sides of your mouth. Either, as Mark says, the gospel is for everyone, or (as you say) it isn't. Which are we to believe? You? Or Mark? You say that the good news is only for believers. This stands in strict juxtaposition to Mark.

I have only provided scripture and I believe it disagrees with you. As posted earlier Mark 16:15 says...

Mark 16:15 [15], And he said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

I believe this scripture is the Gospel commission given to those who believe and follow Gods' Word. It does not say anywhere in this scripture that everyone will accept the gospel invitation. Your trying to read into the scriptures again what they do not say or do not teach.

JESUS says... "Many will be called but few will be chosen" *MATTHEW 24:14

and again...

MATTHEW 7: 21, Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven

What's nonsense? That you're better off becoming a Christian than not? That's what I said, and you're calling that statement "nonsense."

No. The nonsense of you trying to claim that everyone will receive the gospel and be saved. I believe this to be a false teaching that is not biblical. I believe sadly that many will find out too late that they thinking they had God's salvation never had it in the first place when JESUS says to them depart from me you who practice sin I never knew you *MATTHEW 7:16-27

Hope this helps

 

[sojourner]

I have only provided scripture and I believe it disagrees with you.

You've provided a misunderstanding of the texts.

No. The nonsense of you trying to claim that everyone will receive the gospel and be saved. I believe this to be a false teaching that is not biblical.

Your belief would be wrong.

 

[3rdAngel]

You've provided a misunderstanding of the texts.
Your belief would be wrong.

Not really. I believe I have provided scriptures that show why your opinion of them are in error. These are God's Word not mine. In response you simply provide your own words which are not God's Word but yours.

 

[sojourner]

Not really. I believe I have provided scriptures that show why your opinion of them are in error. These are God's Word not mine. In response you simply provide your own words which are not God's Word but yours.

Oh yes. The old schtick: "I'm not interpreting, so you're wrong." It's weak, old, tiresome, and untrue.

 

[Muffled]

Then I guess you don't believe in Jesus when he said he'd start his Church (singular) and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. "Church" means community, which is also what Paul said when he said the Church need to be or "one body" (again, singular). There are no statements from Jesus or the Apostles that suggests multiple bodies with different teachings.

I believe the church is one body.

 

[Muffled]

Well according to the scriptures I believe the apostates are not left out of the fiery indignation that shall devour the adversaries *HEBREWS 10:26-27

I believe that doesn't apply because these people no longer have the knowledge of sin. They do however still have the knowledge of salvation.

 

[3rdAngel]

Oh yes. The old schtick: "I'm not interpreting, so you're wrong." It's weak, old, tiresome, and untrue.

God's Word is always true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29; MATTHEW 15:2-9

 

[3rdAngel]

I believe that doesn't apply because these people no longer have the knowledge of sin. They do however still have the knowledge of salvation.

I belive that is nonsense as the scripture is in reference to those who recieve a knowledge of sin and continue in sin and reject God's Word..

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins, [27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear.

 

[sojourner]

God's Word is always true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29; MATTHEW 15:2-9

This doesn't address my point. Try addressing my point for a change.

 

[3rdAngel]

This doesn't address my point. Try addressing my point for a change.

I believe it does address your point. You were provided God's Word and denied them with your words which are not God's Word but your words. I simply responded with only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God and provided more supporting scripture *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29; MATTHEW 15:2-9

 

[sojourner]

I believe it does address your point

As with so much else, you’re confused. It does not address my point.

 

[3rdAngel]

As with so much else, you’re confused. It does not address my point.

Not really my dear friend. You have been provided the scriptures from God's Word that are Gods truth. They are Gods' Words not mine. This is your response to deny God's Word with your words that are not God's but yours when only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; MATTHEW 15:2-9. I am sorry my friend but the confusion is only your side if you do not believe God's Word that is shared with you in love that address your posts.

 

[sojourner]

Not really my dear friend. You have been provided the scriptures from God's Word that are Gods truth. They are Gods' Words not mine. This is your response to deny God's Word with your words that are not God's but yours when only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; MATTHEW 15:2-9. I am sorry my friend but the confusion is only your side if you do not believe God's Word that is shared with you in love that address your posts.

I’ve been provided with your mistaken interpretations of ancient texts.

 

[3rdAngel]

I’ve been provided with your mistaken interpretations of ancient texts.

Yet here you still are again in this thread 23+ pages not able to prove a single claim you are making through the scriptures and seeking to deny God's Word with your words that are not God's but yours. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; MATTHEW 15:2-9.

 

[sojourner]

Yet here you still are again in this thread 23+ pages not able to prove a single claim you are making through the scriptures and seeking to deny God's Word with your words that are not God's but yours

Ditto

 

[3rdAngel]

Ditto

I believe that there is no ditto for you. You have been provided Gods' Word as supporting evidence to this OP. You on the other hand have only denied God's Word with your own words that are not God's but yours.

 

[sojourner]

I believe that there is no ditto for you

Your belief is mistaken. You’re no prophet.

 

[3rdAngel]

Your belief is mistaken. You’re no prophet.

For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure to him. *JOHN 3:31