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Are You Glad the IQ Morality Tests Presented by Yeshua in the Bible is Too Complex for Most?

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Are you sure you know what pictographic means?
Pictography is a form of writing which uses representational, pictorial drawings, similarly to cuneiform and, to some extent, hieroglyphic writing, which also uses drawings as phonetic letters or determinative rhymes. Some pictograms, such as Hazards pictograms, are elements of formal languages. - Pictogram - Wikipedia

Hebrew Alphabet Chart - This is a rough guide to some of how it works like Hieroglyphics.
I feel perfectly sane. How do you feel?
I object! Jewish humor is top-notch.
To claim you're a Jew whilst rejecting Yeshua is comical; yet I could not call it sane, it shows a complete lack of discernment, and basically rejecting half the Tanakh to prove a point is crazy.

To have the Messiah appeal to you for the sake of humanity, whilst you sit trying to make up funny responses before everyone's imminent destruction, is also a form of psychosis.

Mental illness can be shown when there is a problem intercessing information, and currently we've found most people down here near Hell mental in some way, else they'd not be down here before Judgement Day.

Jewish satire is witty though, I do concur; yet we can always go darker.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
To have the Messiah appeal to you for the sake of humanity, whilst you sit trying to make up funny responses before everyone's imminent destruction, is also a form of psychosis.
No messiah should appeal to me. He should do his job and that's it.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
And you're righteousness? I am not.
Yeshua taught to aim to be perfect as the Source of reality is; not to be like the Pharisees claiming we're all under sin, as we're made in the image of Divine Beings.

Righteousness is an uphill struggle; not a merit badge.
Yes God wants to turn all to righteousness but who is really just when compared to God?
God is ultimately the Source of reality, nothing compares to it; yet it clearly wants us to understand it, and work towards being better, else it would have already deleted us.
Even though God were closer to us than the breath in our nostrils; that doesn't mean He is near our hearts. Because God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.
The Source of reality makes everything, therefore we're all part of the Mind of God; we're a dream in the imagination of the Creator, and you're saying we're detached from the Source of reality...

This is Atheistic like the Psalms were identifying (Psalms 14:1-3, Psalms 53:1-3); Paul was badly citing these Psalms to catch out those who don't really believe God is everything.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
I've seen graphs like that, I'm afraid I never understood them. For example, Aleph א is an Ah sound, while ox head in Hebrew is Rosh Egel. Where's the Ah?
Every letter in Hebrew is a picture, when sequences of letters are placed together, these imply an overall meaning...

The site isn't perfect; yet has certain ideas to start understanding how Ancient Hebrew roots could have come from a form of Phoenician Alphabet spelling system, mixed with Egyptian Hieroglyphics.
No messiah should appeal to me. He should do his job and that's it.
The Messiah's (King David's) jobs included:
  • Daniel 9:26, Isaiah 52:10-14 - Isaiah 53:1-11 to be cut off from the land of the living by his own people.
  • Establishing a Testimony to catch out all the ungodly (Isaiah 8:11-22).
  • The return which is happening online on religious forums, is to announce the closure of the Bed of Adultery (Isaiah 28:9-19 + 20-21) before the Great Tribulation (Revelation 2:22).
  • To basically declare the coming of the End of Time (Isaiah 28:11-13), and then after is the Messianic Age for those who accepted the Mighty Work of the Lord (Psalms 118).
The Rabbi have put futile expectations on what the Messiah has to do:
  • A 3rd temple is built without human hands (Exodus 15:17-18).
  • The returning of the Godly to Israel is after the Fire (Deuteronomy 29:19-27), in Deuteronomy 30:1-10.
  • The Messiah doesn't bring world peace, and establish government, the Source of reality removes the ungodly.
  • Then after in the Messianic Age, the Messiah unites the Tribe, and enlightens people who wanted to listen properly.
Don't. There are enough people that do.
We're down near Hell before Judgement Day; it is like saying, "there are lots of criminals who think the same in prison on death row"...

Now as scripture states, the Source of reality taught us 'precept upon precept' since I was a child (Isaiah 28:9-10), and I do know how to free people of the Snare (Revelation 3:18); it warns us not to mock the Bible (Isaiah 28:22) before everyone's destruction.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
Premium Member
It's a metaphor. To say you see means you're satisfied with your own knowledge and your own righteousness. You don't need anyone or anything because you "see" already.

So then tell me. Are you, or are you not lost and wandering? Are you or are you not righteous and completely just?

I am not lost or wandering.

Whether or not one is righteous or just is subjective and would vary by who is perceiving.

You memed "Since you clearly know so much about me, tell me more about me"

Firstly, I know/believe this about all humans. Aren't you human?

You are free to believe this about all humans. But until you know all humans, you don't know.

Secondly, the fact is that many people have blind spots. A metaphor is that you can't even see your own face without aid of some kind; such as a mirror.

Therefore, isn't it wise to understand the limits of your own understanding?

It is indeed. And since you explained your limits, I now have a working understanding of them.

It's also wise to understand that unless your own experiences are identical to the experiences of others, the limits of their understanding might not be the same as yours. ;)
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
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  • A 3rd temple is built without human hands (Exodus 15:17-18).
  • The returning of the Godly to Israel is after the Fire (Deuteronomy 29:19-27), in Deuteronomy 30:1-10.
  • The Messiah doesn't bring world peace, and establish government, the Source of reality removes the ungodly.
  • Then after in the Messianic Age, the Messiah unites the Tribe, and enlightens people who wanted to listen properly.
Sounds like a totally useless messiah. No thanks, I'll pass.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Sounds like a totally useless messiah. No thanks, I'll pass.
It isn't a Messiah beauty pageant, and it isn't optional; therefore again it is an insane statement to say you reject the Tanakh, whilst pretending to be Jewish before everyone's imminent destruction.

Yet I get it the Rabbi have taught you to assume you know more than the Bible; which is why the Source established the Snare, to remove those that are so arrogant to assume the texts are false, whilst they follow made up Oral Traditions (Isaiah 29:9-14).

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

PearlSeeker

Well-Known Member
The point here is that you're not righteous by yourself. Without God's grace.
Without the pull/seed of grace we would be/do nothing. Also cooperation of our free will (good soil) is necessary. True righteousness comes from the heart. How much you give room for God so much can he make you righteous. A seed that falls on good soil produces a crop—a hundredfold, sixtyfold, or thirtyfold.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
I am not lost or wandering.
So, then you do claim to see.
Whether or not one is righteous or just is subjective and would vary by who is perceiving.
Perception can be wrong and it often is.

Therefore, knowing that human perception can be incorrect; we must know whose perception is always correct. That is the only fair measure. So God's perception is what we have to use to determine if we are righteous or not.
You are free to believe this about all humans. But until you know all humans, you don't know.
I respectfully disagree. Human nature doesn't change. The Word of God tells us that all humans are corrupt and unrighteous.
It is indeed. And since you explained your limits, I now have a working understanding of them.

It's also wise to understand that unless your own experiences are identical to the experiences of others, the limits of their understanding might not be the same as yours. ;)
Remember, you said I was arrogant; which is probably correct. But now you claim to have greater understanding or perhaps even limitless understanding?

King Solomon - "I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy."

Socrates - "I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
Yeshua taught to aim to be perfect as the Source of reality is; not to be like the Pharisees claiming we're all under sin, as we're made in the image of Divine Beings.

Righteousness is an uphill struggle; not a merit badge.
What pharisee claimed we are all under sin? The Bible claims we are all under sin. And we are.

Jesus also claimed that we are evil. (Matthew 7:11)

Made in the image of God ... correct. But then Jesus came to remake us into the image of God again because we are corrupt.
God is ultimately the Source of reality, nothing compares to it; yet it clearly wants us to understand it, and work towards being better, else it would have already deleted us.
If we weren't evil then we would already understand God. Because our unrighteousness and because of our sins we don't understand God. The fact God waits patiently for us means that we are evil or else He would not need to wait on us. But He waits so we will repent of evil.

The Source of reality makes everything, therefore we're all part of the Mind of God; we're a dream in the imagination of the Creator, and you're saying we're detached from the Source of reality...

This is Atheistic like the Psalms were identifying (Psalms 14:1-3, Psalms 53:1-3); Paul was badly citing these Psalms to catch out those who don't really believe God is everything.

In my opinion. :innocent:
The fact that everything emanates from the infinite mind of God and is upheld by His Word/breath of His mouth is not under question.

I don't think you understood my point. The only thing that can truly be far from God is the mind. And when you are alienated from God in your thoughts then that is how you can be far from Him even though He were even closer to you than the breath in your nostrils.

And the scriptures indicate to us that we are all at enmity with God in our minds and we need regeneration of our minds.
 

SalixIncendium

अग्निविलोवनन्दः
Staff member
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So, then you do claim to see.

If that's what you consider "see[ing]" to be, then I suppose I do.

Perception can be wrong and it often is.

Thanks for acknowledging this.

Therefore, knowing that human perception can be incorrect; we must know whose perception is always correct. That is the only fair measure. So God's perception is what we have to use to determine if we are righteous or not.

I don't recognize your "God's perception," therefore, your definition of 'righteous' is meaningless to me.

I respectfully disagree. Human nature doesn't change. The Word of God tells us that all humans are corrupt and unrighteous.

I don't recognize your "Word of God." Therefore, there is no "us." There is only you. Does your "Word of God" tell you to stand in judgment of others you do not know?

Remember, you said I was arrogant; which is probably correct. But now you claim to have greater understanding or perhaps even limitless understanding?

King Solomon - "I neither learned wisdom, nor have the knowledge of the holy."

Socrates - "I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."

*smiles* I ever claimed to have any understanding. Do you make a habit of making assumptions?
 

Ebionite

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God makes it clear in the scriptures that no one is good. No one seeks God. No one understands.

No, not all people are atheists.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no Elohim. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14:1
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
No, not all people are atheists.

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no Elohim. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14:1
That's just verse 1. In verse 2 God speaks of all children of men.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
What pharisee claimed we are all under sin?
Yetzer hara - Wikipedia
The Bible claims we are all under sin.
Ezekiel 18 says sin isn't pass down, and each person is accountable for their own actions.
Made in the image of God.
Elohim (H430) means Divine Beings, Eloh (H433) is a Divine Being, El (H410) is the Source of reality, and Elim is Gods.
But then Jesus came to remake us into the image of God again because we are corrupt.
Yeshua told us we're all Children of the Source (Luke 6:35), if we do the work of the Source (Mark 3:35), by being righteous (Matthew 5:10), and being a light unto many (Matthew 5:16).

Pharisees tell us we are all under sin, and should do God's duty, as we owe God; yet as the Parable of Two Debtors relates, there was never anything to pay, as God can forgive all sin, when God chooses (Luke 7:36-52).

Yeshua was an Elohim (Isaiah 52:10), and I'm his return in Isaiah 52:7 (King Zion Elohim), and the idea we need to argue about our religion with people, is shameful on their part.
If we weren't evil then we would already understand God.
Matthew 9:13 But go and learn what this is, I will have mercy and not sacrifice. For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Therefore Yeshua said there are righteous; just some people choose to be evil.

We might be down near Hell; yet some people strive to be angels down here (Luke 18:10-14).
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And the scriptures indicate to us that we are all at enmity with God in our minds and we need regeneration of our minds.
John, Paul, and Simon the Pharisees taught these things, we need to understand the differences in following Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels, and 'jesus': one is the Source of reality breathing Salvation through King David; the other is a deification, to create a Pharisaic Death Cult (Habakkuk 2, Zechariah 5), that was foretold (Isaiah 8:11-22), and condemned (Isaiah 28).

In my opinion. :innocent:
 
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wizanda

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Premium Member
the question posed in that thread title is so passively-aggressively insulting that it is disgusting. You need to stop it with this. You're obviously not getting anywhere with it and you aren't going to.
I take on board it could come across as condescending, if it wasn't I was sent from Heaven to educate humanity as Messiah before the Great Tribulation, and I've been given special knowledge as prophesied.

There is nothing personal about what is being said, it is just what is stated in the religious texts, and the texts themselves declare people demons, who are arrogant, and refuse instruction, in comparison to that, I'm being really laid back about the end of humanity soon.

Considering everyone we know, has their lives at risk because of the religious dilemma, I find people disgusting for not helping, and the idea you say "it isn't working", is because some people only approach a topic, with how it affects them...

Which is far more disgusting, when we realize by our lack of response in the subject, it is genocide on a global scale - Which could be fixed, if people cared to help.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 
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