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" The Son of man received from God the capacity to create. He also has the ability to beget.” The gospel of Phillip;
This early and clear tradition was described in multiple early texts, thus the jewish haggadah relates Adam was created by God and “the word” created the rest : “The superiority of man to the other creatures is apparent in the very manner of his creation, altogether different from theirs. He is the only one who was created by the hand of God. The rest sprang from the Word of God.” The Haggadah (Man and the world)
Still, regardless of any involved in actual creation, the plan remained the Fathers plan. It was according to his design and his will. Thus it was said that ““Logos followed Will for through the logos, Christ created all things. The Secret Book of John (of Sophia);
“As the work of the farmer is the plow and the helmsman the guidance of the ship so my work is a song to the Lord ....He created and rested. Created things follow a pattern. They do not know rest. ....And nothing exists without the Lord. He was before anything was, and our worlds were made by his word, his thought and his heart. THE ODES OF SOLOMON ODE 16;
In the Gospel of Bartholomew, Mary also glorified God the Father as a primal creator “… exceeding great and all wise, king of the ages, indescribable, ineffable, .who created the breadths of the heavens by your word and arranged the vault of heaven in harmony, who gave form to disorderly matter and brought together that which was separated....” Later, speaking of the logos/word of the Father, she refers to his descent through the seven heavens and explains the context of creation, saying :. The seven heavens could scarcely contain you, but you were pleased to be contained in me, without causing me pain, you who are the perfect Word of the Father, through whom everything was created. The Gospel of Bartholomew ch two
At any rate @rrobs the early textual traditions, clearly describe the Plan for mans' salvation originated with the father and, once the Father chooses a savior and mediator, that Mediator is involved very closely with the father as his servant and as his "son", to the point of taking on the role of Creator of much of creation.
I think that it is partly this close association of the Son and his involvement in so many aspects of the Fathers plan that also creates confusion and difficulties for later Christian movements in deciding what sort of relationship God, his Son and the Holy Spirit have with each other. I do not blame anyone for any confusion on this point.
Good luck coming to your own conclusions and making your own models rrobs
Clear
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" The Son of man received from God the capacity to create. He also has the ability to beget.” The gospel of Phillip;
This early and clear tradition was described in multiple early texts, thus the jewish haggadah relates Adam was created by God and “the word” created the rest : “The superiority of man to the other creatures is apparent in the very manner of his creation, altogether different from theirs. He is the only one who was created by the hand of God. The rest sprang from the Word of God.” The Haggadah (Man and the world)
Still, regardless of any involved in actual creation, the plan remained the Fathers plan. It was according to his design and his will. Thus it was said that ““Logos followed Will for through the logos, Christ created all things. The Secret Book of John (of Sophia);
“As the work of the farmer is the plow and the helmsman the guidance of the ship so my work is a song to the Lord ....He created and rested. Created things follow a pattern. They do not know rest. ....And nothing exists without the Lord. He was before anything was, and our worlds were made by his word, his thought and his heart. THE ODES OF SOLOMON ODE 16;
In the Gospel of Bartholomew, Mary also glorified God the Father as a primal creator “… exceeding great and all wise, king of the ages, indescribable, ineffable, .who created the breadths of the heavens by your word and arranged the vault of heaven in harmony, who gave form to disorderly matter and brought together that which was separated....” Later, speaking of the logos/word of the Father, she refers to his descent through the seven heavens and explains the context of creation, saying :. The seven heavens could scarcely contain you, but you were pleased to be contained in me, without causing me pain, you who are the perfect Word of the Father, through whom everything was created. The Gospel of Bartholomew ch two
At any rate @rrobs the early textual traditions, clearly describe the Plan for mans' salvation originated with the father and, once the Father chooses a savior and mediator, that Mediator is involved very closely with the father as his servant and as his "son", to the point of taking on the role of Creator of much of creation.
I think that it is partly this close association of the Son and his involvement in so many aspects of the Fathers plan that also creates confusion and difficulties for later Christian movements in deciding what sort of relationship God, his Son and the Holy Spirit have with each other. I do not blame anyone for any confusion on this point.
Good luck coming to your own conclusions and making your own models rrobs
Clear
ειφιειτωω
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