What do Jews find strange about Christianity and why.

[rosends]

Do you have easily link to that?

Here is a link to it in English
Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 110

 

[cataway]

This says nothing as it's not scripture to me.

my only obligation was to tell you. nothing is said about making you believe

 

[Rival]

my only obligation was to tell you. nothing is said about making you believe

I'm aware. No-one in the world needs telling about Christianity. We know it.

 

[cataway]

I'm aware. No-one in the world needs telling about Christianity. We know it.

what you have likely seen are the paganized version that call them selves Christion … so lacking in true understanding they are . so filled with idle worship and self pleasing

 

[Rival]

what you have likely seen are the paganized version that call them selves Christion … so lacking in true understanding they are . so filled with idle worship and self pleasing

I used to be a Christian and have talked to the Witnesses. I've also spoken to them on here. I believe the whole concept of Christianity is wrong because I do not believe the Messiah has come.

 

[Harel13]

what you have likely seen are the paganized version that call them selves Christion … so lacking in true understanding they are . so filled with idle worship and self pleasing

No true Christian, huh?

 

[Spartan]

Define "historic Christianity." I'm still very well informed and knowledgeable on church history, and that it's largely only deniable if you're an idiot. However, dead people returning to life, turning water into wine, walking on water, supernatural events like those are easily dismissable.

Do your homework and leave your bias at home.

"The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas;

“The Historical Jesus of the Gospels,” by Dr. Craig Keener

"New Evidence that Demands a Verdict," by former skeptic Josh McDowell;

"Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics," by Dr. Norman Geisler;

"The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and

"The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by Dr. Gary Habermas.

“Miracles – The Credibility of the New Testament Accounts,” by Craig S. Keener

“The Case for Miracles,” by Lee Strobel

 

[cataway]

No true Christian, huh?

when 1+1+1=1 then yes there is a problem

 

[dybmh]

I find it strange that many Christians do not agree to disagree with Jews about whether or not Jesus is the Messiah.

Why can't we agree to disagree?

 

[Harel13]

I find it strange that many Christians do not agree to disagree with Jews about whether or not Jesus is the Messiah.

Why can't we agree to disagree?

My guess is that if we don't convert, we will burn in hell forever. Caring is sharing, as they say.

 

[dybmh]

My guess is that if we don't convert, we will burn in hell forever. Caring is sharing, as they say.

Oh.

 

[Spartan]

Look I understand that you are posting these for me to read and you are doing so in good faith, but could you just type a basic answer for me? I'm already very familiar with your and other Christian arguments as I was a Christian most of my life. I think it would just be easier for both of us if you could just give a simpler answer because I'm not new to your understanding.

Ok, be glad to. Please give me ONE (1) question as I'm somewhat pressed for time. Thanks.

 

[Shaul]

I can agree that the lord means master, or something else than God. But, I think it is in no way reasonable to claim that it means David, because then David would be saying: “Yahweh says to my me, …”.

No, because David wrote this Psalms for other people to sing. First the Temple priests and by extension Temple worshipers. So, yes, this Psalm is about its singers proclaiming that David is our master and sits at the right hand of HaShem.

 

[Shaul]

I am confused again....Psalm 110 is David speaking and saying that Yahweh said to his Master, sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as your footstool”.

To us David’s ‘Master’ is Jesus, a human son of God who was to give his life to atone for Adam’s sin so that his children could be redeemed, having been thrust into captivity to sin and death through no fault on their part. Adam was also a sinless son of God at his creation....so Adam’s life was lost due to his disobedience.....Jesus’ sinless life was given in exchange for Adam’s. It was the ransom price demanded for the release of many captives.
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Did you notice you capitalized “Master”? Why? There is no capital in the Hebrew. Do you recognize you are doing the same as Christian translators of the TaNaKh by forcing an implication that this must be about a something more than a man? IOW you are adding to the scripture something not there.

Yes, I understand Christian interpret this as a reference to Jesus. But that is because they read it with “New Testament” colored glasses. A non-tortured, plain reading of the text doesn’t point to Jesus at all.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

There's a good number of errant suppositions in those. For instance, the Lord's Supper is not cannibalism. No one is eating real flesh. It's symbolic.

Sir, symbolic or not, it's still cannibalism. It's horrific. Listen to yourself talk. You are saying that God condones symbolic cannibalism!!! If that isn't strange, I don't know what is. when you think about it, doesn't it bother you just a tiny little bit?

 

[Spartan]

Sir, symbolic or not, it's still cannibalism. It's horrific. Listen to yourself talk. You are saying that God condones symbolic cannibalism!!! If that isn't strange, I don't know what is. when you think about it, doesn't it bother you just a tiny little bit?

Doesn't bother me a bit. Why are you up in arms, LOL?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Doesn't bother me a bit. Why are you up in arms, LOL?

Because I believe God is up in arms. He finds things such as cannibalism repulsive to him. Why would cannibalism be a sin but symbolic cannibalism be okay? It makes no sense. Very strange indeed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Do your homework and leave your bias at home.

It is proper form that you attempt to answer the question I asked. Citing sources is to back you claims up, not throw them out first and solely and expect someone to read all that when you could summarize in a paragraph or two the definition that was requested.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Doesn't bother me a bit. Why are you up in arms, LOL?

Because you're eating god. Even symbolically, you're eating god. You chew his flesh, you drink his blood.
And I smile with pride that my ancestors so corrupted and twisted your religion by adding Pagan elements to it. Christianity was something else until the Celts and the Danes touched it.

 

[Deeje]

No, because David wrote this Psalms for other people to sing. First the Temple priests and by extension Temple worshipers. So, yes, this Psalm is about its singers proclaiming that David is our master and sits at the right hand of HaShem.

Since the ancient Jews had no belief in an afterlife, how is David sitting at the right hand of God? How is he to "rule" if David is dead and has been for centuries?
His son Solomon wrote in Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 says....

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for their remembrance is forgotten. הכִּ֧י הַֽחַיִּ֛ים יֽוֹדְעִ֖ים שֶׁיָּמֻ֑תוּ וְהַמֵּתִ֞ים אֵינָ֧ם יֽוֹדְעִ֣ים מְא֗וּמָה וְאֵֽין־ע֤וֹד לָהֶם֙ שָׂכָ֔ר כִּ֥י נִשְׁכַּ֖ח זִכְרָֽם:

Whatever your hand attains to do [as long as you are] with your strength, do; for there is neither deed nor reckoning, neither knowledge nor wisdom in the grave, where you are going. יכֹּ֠ל אֲשֶׁ֨ר תִּמְצָ֧א יָֽדְךָ֛ לַֽעֲשׂ֥וֹת בְּכֹֽחֲךָ֖ עֲשֵׂ֑ה כִּי֩ אֵ֨ין מַֽעֲשֶׂ֤ה וְחֶשְׁבּוֹן֙ וְדַ֣עַת וְחָכְמָ֔ה בִּשְׁא֕וֹל אֲשֶׁ֥ר אַתָּ֖ה הֹלֵ֥ךְ שָֽׁמָּה:"

This Psalm is a Messianic prophesy.

Did you notice you capitalized “Master”? Why? There is no capital in the Hebrew. Do you recognize you are doing the same as Christian translators of the TaNaKh by forcing an implication that this must be about a something more than a man? IOW you are adding to the scripture something not there.

Jesus was not 'something more than a man'. He was 100% human. And he had to die as a human. He wasn't God because mere humans cannot kill an immortal God. If Jesus didn't die, then the ransom is not paid and we are still condemned in our sins.

Jesus is called God's "servant" in our scripture.
Acts 3:13-15...the apostle Peter said....
"13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him. 14 Yes, you disowned that holy and righteous one, and you asked for a man who was a murderer to be given to you, 15 whereas you killed the Chief Agent of life. But God raised him up from the dead, of which fact we are witnesses."

Jesus was sent by God to offer himself on behalf of Adam's children...."a life for a life" as it was demanded in God's law. One precious perfect life atoned for the sins of many. He was sentenced to death for the sake of Adam's children.....to die instead of them. Genesis 3:15 says that God's adversary was to deal him a "heel" wound.....from which he recovered when God resurrected him.
Jesus was not a human sacrifice.....but he was put to death as an innocent man at the behest of the Jewish leaders of the day, as Peter said. He was not guilty of the charge brought against him.

A 'Master' is usually one who has authority over others, so what is the big deal about the capital letter?

Psalm 110:1-2...
"The word of the Lord to my master; "Wait for My right hand, until I make your enemies a footstool at your feet." אלְדָוִ֗ד מִ֫זְמ֥וֹר נְאֻ֚ם יְהֹוָ֨ה | לַֽאדֹנִ֗י שֵׁ֥ב לִֽימִינִ֑י עַד־אָשִׁ֥ית אֹֽ֜יְבֶ֗יךָ הֲדֹ֣ם לְרַגְלֶֽיךָ:

2The staff of your might the Lord will send from Zion; rule in the midst of your enemies. במַטֵּ֚ה עֻזְּךָ֗ יִשְׁלַ֣ח יְ֖הֹוָה מִצִיּ֑וֹן רְ֜דֵ֗ה בְּקֶ֣רֶב אֹֽיְבֶֽיךָ:"

God is talking to David's "master". How can these words be directed to David, by David? Nothing fits. His kingship was not future....how was God to "make his enemies a footstool for his feet"? And how was he to "rule in the midst of his enemies"?

@Spartan has raised some very valid points and your demeanor is demonstrating that you have no real responses to them.

Yes, I understand Christian interpret this as a reference to Jesus. But that is because they read it with “New Testament” colored glasses. A non-tortured, plain reading of the text doesn’t point to Jesus at all.

We read it as it fits....Jesus was a son of David.....of the tribe of Judah.

The genealogical lists made by both Matthew and Luke were comprised of names publicly recognized by the Jews of that time as authentic. The scribes and Pharisees as well as the Sadducees were bitter enemies of Christianity, and they would have used any possible argument to discredit Jesus, but it is noteworthy that they never challenged these genealogies. If either Matthew’s or Luke’s genealogy of Jesus had been in error, what an opportunity it would have been for these opponents to prove it then and there! Until 70 C.E. they evidently had ready access to the public genealogical registers and the Scriptures.

Our scripture points out that Jesus was actually the Son of God and the natural heir to the Kingdom by miraculous birth through his mother, Mary, of David’s line, and that Jesus was also the legal heir in the male line of descent from David and Solomon through his adoptive father Joseph. If there was any accusation made by hostile Jews that Jesus’ birth was illegitimate, the fact that Joseph, aware of the circumstances, married Mary and gave her the protection of his good name and royal lineage refutes any such slander.