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Kanye West's "Christian" - "Sunday Service" - Jesus is King Album, Chick Fil-A & the Real Lord's Day

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Christian sues US Postal Service over Sunday work shifts

"... The complaint also requests for the agency to create policies that provide equal employment opportunities for religious observance of Sabbath on Sundays. ..."​

They are pushing hard. They will get what they want, but it will cost them everything.
Notice the contrast between Sunday and Sabbath, as it happens all over again:

"... WASHINGTON, Feb 24 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday handed a victory to Walgreens, turning away an appeal by a fired former Florida employee of the pharmacy chain who asked not to work on Saturdays for religious reasons as a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

The justices declined to review a lower court ruling in Darrell Patterson's religious discrimination lawsuit that concluded that his demand to never work on Saturday, observed as the Sabbath by Seventh-day Adventists, placed an undue hardship on Walgreens...." - U.S. Supreme Court turns away religious bias claim against Walgreens

Sunday is being elevated as untouchable, while Sabbath will be trampled more and more.
 

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Notice the contrast between Sunday and Sabbath, as it happens all over again:

"... WASHINGTON, Feb 24 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday handed a victory to Walgreens, turning away an appeal by a fired former Florida employee of the pharmacy chain who asked not to work on Saturdays for religious reasons as a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

The justices declined to review a lower court ruling in Darrell Patterson's religious discrimination lawsuit that concluded that his demand to never work on Saturday, observed as the Sabbath by Seventh-day Adventists, placed an undue hardship on Walgreens...." - U.S. Supreme Court turns away religious bias claim against Walgreens

Sunday is being elevated as untouchable, while Sabbath will be trampled more and more.

Mark 2:27
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." -- Jesus

Colossians 2:16
"So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths."
 

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Mark 2:27
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." -- Jesus
Yes, and Jesus is "the man" (1 Timothy 2:5), the second man, the last Adam (1 Corinthians 15:45,47), for whom the sabbath was really made for (Colossians 1:16), and thus for all who are in Him, and is to be continually kept by those in Him, as it still remaineth from the foundation of the world (Hebrews 4:3,9), and is being kept now (Revelation 1:10, 10:6, 12:17, 14:6-7,12; Acts 4:24, 14:15-16, 17:30; 3:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4) and even into the New Heavens and New Earth (Isaiah 66:22-23), since it is found in the New/Everlasting/Eternal Covenant (Isaiah 56:1-8; John 10:16; Jeremiah 31:31-34; Hebrews 8:8-13, 10:16; 2 Corinthians 3:1-18).

Colossians 2:16
"So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths."
Already addressed, to which I do not see your response:

We can come back to Romans as necessary. Let's consider Colossians 2 briefly, though we can consider in great detail later:

Colossians 2 KJB, parallels Ephesians 2 KJB, and Hebrews 9-10 KJB. The language is the same. The "ordinances" in Colossians 2 deals with "shadows", such as the daily "meat and drink" offerings of a worldly sanctuary and carnal ordinances, the seasonal "feast days", the monthly "new moons", and the year based "sabbaths", in the singular, every 7 and 50th years, as Paul is citing Psalms 98:1-3; and Ezekiel 45:17 KJB with other texts.

The Sabbath of the LORD thy God is always called "my [as in God's] sabbaths", and the others in Leviticus 23:4 onward are called "your [the peoples] sabbaths" [Leviticus 26:35 KJB] which are "beside [given in addition to] the sabbaths of the LORD" [Leviticus 23:38 KJB]. The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment, are "light" [Proverbs 6:23, Isaiah 8:20, 51:4 KJB], never a "shadow", are "spiritual" [Romans 7:14 KJB], never "carnal" [Hebrews 9:10 KJB].

Colossians 2:14 - "ordinances"
Ephesians 2:15 - "law of commandments contained in ordinances"
Hebrews 9:1 - "ordinances of divine service"
Hebrews 9:10 - "carnal ordinances"

Colossians 2:16 - "in meat, or in drink" [offerings]
Hebrews 9:10 - "meats and drinks" [offerings]

Colossians 2:12 - "also ye are risen with him"
Ephesians 2:6 - "raised us up together"

Colossians 2:16 - "a shadow of things to come"
Ephesians 2:7 - "in the ages to come"
Hebrews 9:11 - "of good things to come"
Hebrews 10:1 - "the law having a shadow of good things to come", "those sacrifices", "offered year by year"​

[ps. none of the Ten Commandments deal with carnal sacrifices]
etc.

Colossians 2 speaks of plural, "sabbath days" (or 'of sabbaths'). The context, is also not concerned with all 'sabbaths' but is limited in scope, to that which is "shadow" (not light, not body or substance), that which is "of things to come" (type pointing to the future events) and of "ordinances" (not moral or spiritual Law; Romans 7:14 as the Ten Commandments are), as follows.

[1]
The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, of Creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was given to mankind (Adam) before the sin of mankind (Mark 2:27), before the need of shadow and type, which were given after the sin of mankind, under the Levitical priesthood.

[2] The Sabbath of the LORD the God, is a memorial (pointing backwards, thu the words "Remember" (Exodus 20:8)), to a perfect world without sin, perfect relationship, perfect rest), and is not pointing to the future.

[3] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is singular and specific. "The seventh day" "the sabbath" "of the LORD thy God".

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:9 KJB - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exodus 20:10 KJB - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:8 HOT - זכור את־יום השׁבת לקדשׁו׃
Exodus 20:9 HOT - שׁשׁת ימים תעבד ועשׂית כל־מלאכתך׃
Exodus 20:10 HOT - ויום השׁביעי שׁבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשׂה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשׁר בשׁעריך׃
Exodus 20:11 HOT - כי שׁשׁת־ימים עשׂה יהוה את־השׁמים ואת־הארץ את־הים ואת־כל־אשׁר־בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על־כן ברך יהוה את־יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו׃

Exodus 20:8 HOT Translit. - zäkhôr et-yôm haSHaBät l'qaD'shô
Exodus 20:9 HOT Translit. - shëshet yämiym Taávod w'äsiytä Käl-m'lakh'Tekhä
Exodus 20:10 HOT Translit. -w'yôm haSH'viyiy shaBät layhwäh éloheykhä lo-taáseh khäl-m'läkhäh aTäh ûvin'khä-ûviTekhä av'D'khä waámät'khä ûv'hem'Tekhä w'gër'khä ásher Bish'äreykhä
Exodus 20:11 HOT Translit. - Kiy shëshet-yämiym äsäh y'hwäh et-haSHämayim w'et-hääretz et-haYäm w'et-Käl-ásher-Bäm waYänach BaYôm haSH'viyiy al-Kën Bërakh' y'hwäh et-yôm haSHaBät way'qaD'shëhû š​

[4]
The Sabbath of the LORD is separate from the yearly festal sabbaths, as denoted in Leviticus 23 (see Leviticus 23:3; then see Leviticus 23:4,38 "beside the sabbaths of the LORD")

[5] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is called "the sabbath of the LORD" (Exodus 20:8-11, etc), and "My sabbaths" (Isaiah 56:4; Ezekiel 20:20), as opposed to theirs, called "your sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,35), and "her sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,43; 2 Chronicles 26:31; Lamentations 1:7; Hosea 2:11), etc.

[6] Colossians 2, in its entire context says nothing about "the seventh day", but speaks of merely the shadow sabbaths (plural, not singular), and says nothing of "commandment" (as Luke 23:54,56 does), but speaks of wordly "ordinances" (Colossians 2:14,20).

[7] Colossians 2, speaks of "sins" (Colossians 2:13), which is "transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4), of which the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is central, whereas the yearly (and of years) sabbaths are not given in the Ten Commandments at all
More can be said, but 7 was a good number to round it off at this point, more in detail in a bit.
 

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KJVO Baptist, BroParrish cannot address King James Texts on the subject of the Lord's day, and bans user after altering post and deleting the content and leaving no trace that it was done:

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KJVO Baptist, ProParrish cannot address King James Texts on the subject of diet, and erases the whole post:

King James Bible Forums | KJV Only Forums | KJV Baptist Forum | Independent Fundamental Baptist Forum | 1611 KJV Forum • View topic - Acts 11 did Peter still think certain foods were unclean?

That is exactly what sister White said would happen:

"... As the controversy extends into new fields and the minds of the people are called to God's downtrodden law, Satan is astir. The power attending the message will only madden those who oppose it. The clergy will put forth almost superhuman efforts to shut away the light lest it should shine upon their flocks. By every means at their command they will endeavor to suppress the discussion of these vital questions. The church appeals to the strong arm of civil power, and, in this work, papists and Protestants unite. As the movement for Sunday enforcement becomes more bold and decided, the law will be invoked against commandment keepers. They will be threatened with fines and imprisonment, and some will be offered positions of influence, and other rewards and advantages, as inducements to renounce their faith. But their steadfast answer is: "Show us from the word of God our error"--the same plea that was made by Luther under similar circumstances. Those who are arraigned before the courts make a strong vindication of the truth, and some who hear them are led to take their stand to keep all the commandments of God. Thus light will be brought before thousands who otherwise would know nothing of these truths. {GC 607.1} ..." - The Great Controversy (1911), page 607.1
It is truly sad to see that those who claim to follow the Bible, and the Bible only, cannot from that same Bible they hold, defend their position, without using threats of violence, without using force, without abusing their authority, and erasing and burying the argument of another. What a sad circumstance that is, for it is the same spirit that burned John Huss' materials and then him, and is the same spirit that tried to bury Jesus' words and then kill him. Therefore, I invite that same individual, BroParrish, to come here, and defend their argument on even playing field, where they cannot erase the argument they cannot defend against. If they do not - it really shows what spirit they are of, and what their real position is, not Bible, but "tradition", and are as verily Papist as the Romanist, but are closet baptist Papists.
Another Baptist Board (closet Papists), just completely erases the Lord's day challenge that was also posted on their forum and had been there for several days:

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Here is there final word to the author of that thread that is now burned to ashes (as John Huss and his work was):

"This post approaches the error of declaring anyone who worships on Sunday is guilty of "the mark of the beast". As such it has been deleted. This is a Christian forum, not a Seventh Day Adventist Forum. Please keep this in mind." - JonC

Of course, none of what they stated is true (except that it was not a Seventh-day Adventist forum; and their subsequent deletion), but now you cannot know that, unless you had witnessed the OP and exchanges from the beginning, which had over three hundred views and was just "Featured". It began just like this thread, with similar responses, and there was no logical argumentation, or scripture for that matter, that was given to oppose the OP and presented material. Read what sister White said again. She is spot on, and it will only get worse.

The same challenge is now extended to all those Moderators at BaptistBoard to come here, and to defend their non-scriptural and traditional papist position.

When cowardice (fear) reigns, there can only be terrorism as its policy.
 
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Another Baptist Board (closet Papists), just completely erases the Lord's day challenge that was also posted on their forum and had been there for several days:

Other Christian Denominations

Here is there final word to the author of that thread that is now burned to ashes (as John Huss and his work was):

"This post approaches the error of declaring anyone who worships on Sunday is guilty of "the mark of the beast". As such it has been deleted. This is a Christian forum, not a Seventh Day Adventist Forum. Please keep this in mind." - JonC

Of course, none of what they stated is true (except that it was not a Seventh-day Adventist forum; and their subsequent deletion), but now you cannot know that, unless you had witnessed the OP and exchanges from the beginning, which had over three hundred views and was just "Featured". It began just like this thread, with similar responses, and there was no logical argumentation, or scripture for that matter, that was given to oppose the OP and presented material. Read what sister White said again. She is spot on, and it will only get worse.

The same challenge is now extended to all those Moderators at BaptistBoard to come here, and to defend their non-scriptural and traditional papist position.

When cowardice (fear) reigns, there can only be terrorism as its policy.
Who is John Huss?
 

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That is a great question!

John (Jan) Huss, was a Bohemian reformer:


If you do not desire to see the whole thing, at least watch Time Index: 00:39:40 - 00:54:35.
I watched 00:39:40 onwards, but I think my YouTube settings count down the time left, so I may not have seen the exact time segment you recommended.

From what I gather it looks like it was a reference to this John Huss;
Jan Hus - Wikipedia
 

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I watched 00:39:40 onwards, but I think my YouTube settings count down the time left, so I may not have seen the exact time segment you recommended.

From what I gather it looks like it was a reference to this John Huss;
Jan Hus - Wikipedia
Yes. He's the one.

John Huss:

"... "John Huss did more: prophetic words issued from the depths of his dungeon. He foresaw that a real reformation of the Church was at hand. When driven out of Prague and compelled to wander through the fields of Bohemia, where an immense crowd followed his steps and hung upon his words, he had cried out: “The wicked have begun by preparing a treacherous snare for the goose. But if even the goose, which is only a domestic bird, a peaceful animal, and whose flight is not very high in the air, has nevertheless broken through their toils, other birds, soaring more boldly towards the sky, will break through them with still greater force. Instead of a feeble goose, the truth will send forth eagles and keen-eyed vultures.” This prediction was fulfilled by the reformers.

When the venerable priest had been summoned by Sigismund’s order before the council of Constance, and had been thrown into prison, the chapel of Bethlehem, in which he had proclaimed the Gospel and the future triumphs of Christ, occupied his mind, much more than his own defence. One night the holy martyr saw in imagination, from the depths of his dungeon, the pictures of Christ that he had painted on the walls of his oratory, effaced by the pope and his bishops. This vision distressed him: but on the next day he saw many painters occupied in restoring these figures in greater number and in brighter colors. As soon as their task was ended, the painters, who were surrounded by an immense crowd, exclaimed: “Now let the popes and bishops come! they shall never efface them more!” And many people rejoiced in Bethlehem, and I with them, adds John Huss.—” Busy yourself with your defence rather than with your dreams,” said his faithful friend, the knight of Chlum, to whom he had communicated this vision. “I am no dreamer,” replied Huss, “but I maintain this for certain, that the image of Christ will never be effaced. They have wished to destroy it, but it shall be painted afresh in all hearts by much better preachers than myself. The nation that loves Christ will rejoice at this. And I, awaking from among the dead, and rising, so to speak, from my grave, shall leap with great joy.” ..." - The History of the Reformation of the 16th Century, J. H. Merle D'Aubigne, Volume 1, Book 1, Chapter 6, page 30

"... “You are now going to burn a goose, but in a century you will have a swan which you can neither roast nor boil.” ..."
Frederick of Saxony (later has a dream about Martin Luther):

"...The Elector Frederick of Saxony, say the chronicles of the time, was at his palace of Schweinitz, six leagues from Wittenberg, when, on the 31st October, early in the morning, being with his brother Duke John, who was then co-regent, and who reigned alone after his death, and with his chancellor, the elector said—”I must tell you of a dream, brother, which I had last night, and of which I should like to know the meaning. It is so firmly graven in my memory that I should never forget it, even were I to live a thousand years; for it came three times, and always with new circumstances.”

Duke John.—”Was it a good or a bad dream?”

The Elector.—”I cannot tell: God knows.”

Duke John.—”Do not be uneasy about it: let me hear it.”

The Elector.—”Having gone to bed last night, tired and dispirited, I soon fell asleep after saying my prayers, and slept calmly for about two hours and a half. I then awoke, and all kinds of thoughts occupied me till midnight. I reflected how I should keep the festival of All-Saints; I prayed for the wretched souls in purgatory, and begged that God would direct me, my councils, and my people, according to the truth. I then fell asleep again, and dreamt that the Almighty sent me a monk, who was a true son of Paul the Apostle. He was accompanied by all the saints, in obedience to God’s command, to bear him testimony, and to assure me that he did not come with any fraudulent design, but that all he should do was conformable to the will of God. They asked my gracious permission to let him write something on the doors of the palace-chapel at Wittenberg, which I conceded through my chancellor. Upon this, the monk repaired thither and began to write; so large were the characters that I could read from Schweinitz what he was writing. The pen he used was so long that its extremity reached as far as Rome, where it pierced the ears of a lion which lay there, and shook [96] the triple crown on the pope’s head. All the cardinals and princes ran up hastily and endeavoured to support it. You and I both tendered our assistance: I stretched out my arm that moment I awoke with my arm extended, in great alarm and very angry with this monk, who could not guide his pen better. I recovered myself a little it was only a dream.

“I was still half asleep, and once more closed my eyes. The dream came again. The lion, still disturbed by the pen, began to roar with all his might, until the whole city of Rome, and all the states of the Holy Empire, ran up to know what was the matter. The pope called upon us to oppose this monk, and addressed himself particularly to me, because the friar was living in my dominions. I again awoke, repeated the Lord’s prayer, entreated God to preserve his holiness, and fell asleep

“I then dreamt that all the princes of the empire, and we along with them hastened to Rome, and endeavoured one after another to break this pen; but the greater our exertions, the stronger it became: it crackled as if it had been made of iron: we gave it up as hopeless. I then asked the monk (for I was now at Rome, now at Wittenberg) where he had got that pen, and how it came to be so strong. ‘This pen,’ replied he, ‘belonged to a Bohemian goose a hundred years old. I had it from one of my old schoolmasters. It is so strong, because no one can take the pith out of it, and I am myself quite astonished at it.’ On a sudden I heard a loud cry: from the monk’s long pen had issued a host of other pens I awoke a third time: it was daylight.”

Duke John.—”What is your opinion, Mr. Chancellor? Would that we had here a Joseph, or a Daniel, taught of God!”

The Chancellor.—”Your highnesses know the vulgar proverb, that the dreams of young women, wise men, and great lords, have generally some hidden meaning. But we shall not learn the signification of this for some time, until the events have come to pass to which it relates. For this reason, confide its accomplishment to God, and commit all things into his hands.”

Duke John.—”My opinion is the same as yours, Mr. Chancellor; it is not proper for us to rack our brains to discover the interpretation of this dream: God will direct everything to his own glory.”

The Elector.—”May our faithful God do even so! Still I shall never forget this dream. I have thought of one interpretation but I shall keep it to myself. Time will show, perhaps, whether I have conjectured rightly.” ..." - The History of the Reformation of the 16th Century, J. H. Merle D'Aubigne, Volume 1, Book 3, Chapter 4, pages 95-96
 

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I watched 00:39:40 onwards, but I think my YouTube settings count down the time left, so I may not have seen the exact time segment you recommended.

From what I gather it looks like it was a reference to this John Huss;
Jan Hus - Wikipedia
If you like history, and understand somewhat of Wycliffe, Huss and Luther (who also wrote that 300 years from his day, circa 1530-40's, that something was to take place according to prophecy), you might also enjoy reading about George Wishart.
 

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Here are those texts in full:

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

Exo 16:23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow [day] is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

Exo 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exo 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Exo 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
Exo 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
Deu 5:13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
Deu 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ***, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

Psa 92:1 A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD, and to sing praises unto thy name, O most High:

Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath [day] from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my [the Lord's] holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Through simply word substitution, of "my" [pronoun] with the proper noun "The Lord's" we get the same thing as John's phrase. In fact, many translations say, "the Lord's holy day", and "holy" is just the adjective, and thus would read, "the Lord's ... day": https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Isaiah 58:13

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath [day] to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Jer 17:21 Thus saith the LORD; Take heed to yourselves, and bear no burden on the sabbath day, nor bring it in by the gates of Jerusalem;

Mat 12:8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [day].

Luk 6:5 And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [day].

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Doing an entire search in the Bible shows that the phrase "the Lord's day" is never associated with the phrase "first [day] of the week", anywhere, but is always associated with God's rest day from the beginning, the seventh day, the sabbath of the LORD.

Well, what say you, who claim the Bible as your final authority in all matters of faith and practice?
 

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The context shows that the "day" spoken of, in each texts presented is "the LORD('s)". John as a physical Jew, who was following the Messiah (Jesus), thus a Christian, was on the Isle of Patmos, for what reason?

Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

It is even given in other places:

Rev_6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

Rev_20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.​

What is this "word of God" and the "testimony/witness of Jesus"? We do not have to in any way guess, for John tells us in parallel fashion:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

This is found way back in the OT:

Deu_4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.​

So, when John references "the Lord's day", it is in the context of "the word of God", which are God's Commandments. Well, which commandment then? Again, we do not have to guess, for John tells us:

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.​

What specific commandment, was John citing? The 4th Commandment, specifically, Exodus 20:11,

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

The whole Commandment:

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

That little word "of" is possessive. Thus when God speaks, by His own voice, the He (the LORD) has chosen a specific (definite article) "day", it is thus "the LORD('s) ... day", being His sabbath, the 7th day, from the foundation of the world in Genesis 2:1-3,4, where therein it is "God('s; the LORD's) ... day".

The "word of God" = God's commandments:

Isa_1:10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.​

and the "testimony of Jesus" is the Spirit of prophecy (Revelation 19:10), and as found all throughout scripture:

2Ki_17:13 Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, and by all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments and my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets.

Psa_19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Psa_78:5 For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children

Pro_29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
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Isa_8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Isa_8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Lam_2:9 Her gates are sunk into the ground; he hath destroyed and broken her bars: her king and her princes are among the Gentiles: the law is no more; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD.

Eze_7:26 Mischief shall come upon mischief, and rumour shall be upon rumour; then shall they seek a vision of the prophet; but the law shall perish from the priest, and counsel from the ancients.

Mat_22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;​

Therefore, notice again the connection of the Apostle and prophet John, who receives a "vision", in connection with keeping God's commandments, and was resting specifically on "the LORD's day":

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,​

The Law (Lord's day) and the testimony (spirit of prophecy) again are witnessed therein in its proper context.

It always speaks of the 7th day the sabbath of the LORD, His holy day.

Line upon line, and no need for a single non-scriptural source to re-define by the man of sin's tradition."
 

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Revelation 1:10 a bit further:

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Rev 1:10 εγενομην εν πνευματι εν τη κυριακη ημερα και ηκουσα οπισω μου φωνην μεγαλην ως σαλπιγγος

Rev 1:10 I wasG1096 inG1722 the SpiritG4151 onG1722 theG3588 Lord'sG2960 day,G2250 andG2532 heardG191 behindG3694 meG3450 a greatG3173 voice,G5456 asG5613 of a trumpet,G4536

Rev 1:10 εγενομηνG1096 V-2ADI-1S ενG1722 PREP πνευματιG4151 N-DSN ενG1722 PREP τηG3588 T-DSF κυριακηG2960 A-DSF ημεραG2250 N-DSF καιG2532 CONJ ηκουσαG191 V-AAI-1S οπισωG3694 ADV μουG1473 P-1GS φωνηνG5456 N-ASF μεγαληνG3173 A-ASF ωςG5613 ADV σαλπιγγοςG4536 N-GSF​

The word "κυριακη" (translit. "kuriake") is an Adjective - Dative - Singular - Feminine. This means it is being used as a 'possessive' ("of", see 1 Corinthians 11:20, "the Lord's supper"), which means the "day" in context belongs to "the Lord". It is literally "the Lord's (belonging to) day". This means, that the "day" in context is uniquely "the Lord's" out of all the 7 days of the week, for the day under consideration is that which exists within the week, as a day which repeats weekly. This is extremely important, as those who incorrectly assume it to mean "the first [day] of the week" in lieu of Jesus' resurrection, cannot get a weekly occurrence out of a one-time event, in fulfilment of typology of the Firstfruit/Wavesheaf in Leviticus 23:9-14, as made known in 1 Corinthians 15:20,23.

This is not as the phrase "day of the Lord" (ἡμέρα κυρίου) which is written in the genitive masculine case (see 2 Peter 3:10, etc, and also so called septuaginta uses).

In Latin, we see it similarly used in Exodus 20 (Latin is without the definite article, as Latin does not use definite articles):

Rev 1:10 fui in spiritu in dominica die et audivi post me vocem magnam tamquam tubae

Exo 20:8 memento ut diem sabbati sanctifices

Exo 20:9 sex diebus operaberis et facies omnia opera tua

Exo 20:10 septimo autem die sabbati Domini Dei tui non facies omne opus tu et filius tuus et filia tua servus tuus et ancilla tua iumentum tuum et advena qui est intra portas tuas

Exo 20:11 sex enim diebus fecit Dominus caelum et terram et mare et omnia quae in eis sunt et requievit in die septimo idcirco benedixit Dominus diei sabbati et sanctificavit eum​

Which is akin to Genesis' "God's day":

Gen 2:1 igitur perfecti sunt caeli et terra et omnis ornatus eorum

Gen 2:2 conplevitque Deus die septimo opus suum quod fecerat et requievit die septimo ab universo opere quod patrarat

Gen 2:3 et benedixit diei septimo et sanctificavit illum quia in ipso cessaverat ab omni opere suo quod creavit Deus ut faceret​

Whereas the differing apocalyptic day, "the day of the Lord" in Latin is "dies Domini" as in Zephaniah 1:14,

Zep 1:14 iuxta est dies Domini magnus iuxta et velox nimis vox diei Domini amara tribulabitur ibi fortis​

Further, we can see some honest persons, among the many commentators that like to simply assume their apriori into the text, or to place future definition back into the text, from non-scriptural materials.

Peter Pett's commentary makes this accurate note:

"... Sunday is not called ‘the Lord’s day’ (he kyriake hemera) anywhere in Scripture ..." .

Dr. Thomas Constable likewise states the same truth:

"... The New Testament writers never called Sunday the Lord"s day elsewhere in Scripture. ..." .

Richard Chenevix Trench has stated on record, and accurately that:

"... “Some have assumed, from this passage, that ἡμέρα κυριακή was a designation of Sunday already familiar among Christians. This, however, seems a mistake ..." .

Likewise, Foy E Wallace states:

"... It is not a reference to the first day of the week ..." .
 

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Some have said that "the Lord's day" is simply unique, and that if John (in Revelation 1:10) had meant "sabbath" he would have written "sabbath". This is actually presumption, based upon a false apriori, about what certain individuals themselves think the Holy Ghost/Spirit ought to have inspired John to write. Beware, that is a very dangerous path to take. They also say that "sabbath" is always called "sabbath" in the NT.

Actually, No. The "sabbath" is called "sabbath" in the NT, that is for certain:

Matthew 12:1,2,5,8,10,11,12, 24:20, 28:1;
Mark 1:21, 2:23,24,27,28, 3:2,4, 6:2, 7:6-9, 15:42, 16:1;
Luke 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14,15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;
John 5:9,10,16,18, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 12:1 (calculated), 19:31;
Acts 1:2, 13:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;​

Yet, it is also called God's "rest":

Hebrews 3:11,18, 4:1,3,4,5,8,9,10,11​

It is also called "the seventh day":

Hebrews 4:4​

It is called "the seventh":

Hebrews 4:4​

It is also referred to as being "according to the commandment":

Luke 23:56​

It is also referred to as the culmination of the 7 day week:

Matthew
28:1(a) - (Koine Greek) οψε δε σαββατων (Transliterated) oye de sabbatwn
Matthew 28:1(b) - (Koine Greek) εις μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) eiV mian sabbatwn
Mark 16:2 - (Koine Greek) και λιαν πρωι της μιας σαββατων (Transliterated) kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn
Mark 16:9 - (Koine Greek) αναστας δε πρωι πρωτη σαββατου (Transliterated) anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou
Luke 24:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn
John 20:1 - (Koine Greek) τη δε μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th de mia twn sabbatwn
John 20:19 - (Koine Greek) τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) th mia twn sabbatwn
Acts 20:7 - (Koine Greek) εν δε τη μια των σαββατων (Transliterated) en de th mia twn sabbatwn
1 Corinthians 16:2 - (Koine Greek) κατα μιαν σαββατων (Transliterated) kata mian sabbatwn​

It is also referred to as "the day (that is approaching in the week (also the great Cosmic final day, dual use)"

Hebrews 10:25​

All of which terms are also used in the OT, as the OT and NT are in perfect harmony.

The Phrase "the Lord's day" is found in use in the OT, as shown from Isaiah 58:13, etc. John is not making up any novel (new) idea, but the Holy Ghost is insipiring and citing from the OT scriptures, as is done all over Revelation 1. Called an "epanados" or Chiasm:

(1) Isaiah 55:4 --> Revelation 1:5 (Witness)

(2) Daniel 7:13 --> Revelation 1:7 (Coming with Clouds of angels)


(3) Zechariah 12:10-14 --> Revelation 1:7 (Pierced and Wail)


(4) Isaiah 41:4,6 --> Revelation 1:8 (I AM)

(4) Isaiah 41:4,6 --> Revelation 1:11 (I AM)

(3) Zechariah 4:2 --> Revelation 1:12 (Candlestick, Sanctuary, HolyPlace)

(2) Daniel 7:9,13,22 --> Revelation 1:13-15 (Priest)

(1) Isaiah 49:2 --> Revelation 1:16 (Sharp Sword)

Revelation 1:10 is simply citing Isaiah 58:13 in the midst of the parallelism from the OT.


A deeper study on the structure of Daniel and Revelation may be seen here - Link to Daniel & Revelation Structure

Here is a small picture of it:

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I have even shown that Jesus is referring to this same phrase in the Gospels:

Matthew 12:8 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Mark 2:28 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Luke 6:5 - 'the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [day]' [... the ... Lord ... [day]]
 

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Kanye West's "Christian" - "Sunday Service" - Jesus is King Album, Chick Fil-A & the Real Lord's Day

Kanye West, known for being one who said that he was "God", and even having a label of Yeezus, which was supposedly in relation to Jay-Z's name of Jay-HOV (all of which are completely blasphemous, as the real names in the scripture are Jesus and JEHOVAH), has reportedly become "christian" and even has a new album, Jesus is King, in which the 4th song, speaks about Chick Fil-A and "Sunday" as the Lord's day.

"... Kanye West has a new song called "Closed on Sunday" that references Chick-fil-A.

"Closed on Sunday, you my Chick-fil-A," the song begins.

Chick-fil-A closes all of its locations on Sunday because of founder Truett Cathy's Christian faith. ...

... "Closed on Sunday" is the fourth track on "Jesus Is King," West's new album that was released on Friday. Prior to Friday, the song was in rotation during West's listening parties for his new songs. ...”

“… The song goes on to preach against Instagram ("Hold the selfies, put the 'Gram away") and the importance of faith ("Follow Jesus, listen and obey"). West ends the song with a cry of "Chick-fil-A!"

Chick-fil-A declined to comment on the song. But, the fast-food shout-out seems fitting for the gospel-influenced album. Every location of the fast-food chain is closed on Sunday. ...

... West has also made financial investments into the fast-food industry. ..." - Kanye West has a new song called 'Closed on Sunday' that heavily references Chick-fil-A - Kanye West has a new song called 'Closed on Sunday' that heavily references Chick-fil-A

One, it is just silliness (and terrible bad as a piece of music), and has nothing to do with holiness, nor the sacredness of God or JEHOVAH Elohiym's, and thus Jesus' doctrine or Gospel.

What is interesting, is that Kanye West, in April 25, 2018, tweeted about Donald J Trump:

"... You don’t have to agree with trump but the mob can’t make me not love him. We are both dragon energy. He is my brother. ..." - Metro CO UK - What is the Kanye West Donald Trump connection? | Metro News

Seriously speaking, and with all humility, Kanye West is (speaking from outside perspective) without knowledge about which day is the Lord's day.

It is not the first day of the week ('Sunday'), but the 7th day (the Sabbath of the LORD thy God; Genesis 2 vs 1-3; Exodus 20 vs 8-11, etc).

Kanye West is being used by the entertainment ('enter' to come into, 'tain' - to be held captive, 'ment' - continuous, or the act of ongoing or being) industry to promote Sunday sacredness, which is not found once in all of Holy scripture (KJB).

If you would like to see why this is, turn to Daniel 3, "all kinds of musick", in association with Babylonian, false worship, and likewise turn to Ezekiel 8 vs 16, in that those who professed to worship God, were really turning their back to God's Law of Ten Commandments and worshipping the Sun (and today it is Sunday), so that people might bow down to an idol (and child) of the Papacy, Sunday.

A national Sunday law is coming soon from America to the globe, see Revelation 14 vs 6-12.


This is no joke, or one can simply watch the following:


What is the Lord's day? Let the Bible speak:

The "Lord's day" according to scripture, is the 7th day, the sabbath day of the Lord.

Genesis 2:1-3,4 - 'the seventh day', 'God', 'day', 'the LORD God' [… God [the LORD] … day …]

Exodus 16:23 - "the LORD", "to morrow [the seventh day] is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD' [... the LORD ... [day] ...]

Exodus 16:25 - 'to day [the seventh day]; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day' [... the LORD ... day]

Exodus 20:8-11 - 'the sabbath day', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God', 'sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day ...]

Exodus 31:15 - 'the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD ... the sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day]

Exodus 35:2,3 - 'the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD', 'the sabbath day' [… the LORD … day …]

Leviticus 23:3 - 'the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD'

Deuteronomy 5:12,14 – 'the LORD', 'the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God' [… the LORD … day …]

Psalms 92:1 - 'A Psalm or Song for the sabbath day. It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD'

Isaiah 56:6 - 'Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath [day] from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant' (context new covenant) [... the LORD ... sabbath [day] ...]

Isaiah 58:13 - 'the sabbath ... my [the LORD's] holy day ... the holy [day] of the Lord' [... [the LORD's] ... day]

Isaiah 66:22,23 – 'the LORD', 'one sabbath [day] to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD' [… the LORD … [day] …]

Jeremiah 17:21 - 'saith the LORD... on the sabbath day' [... the LORD ... day]

Matthew 12:8 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Mark 2:28 - 'the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day' [... the ... Lord ... day]

Luke 6:5 - 'the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath [day]' [... the ... Lord ... [day]]

Revelation 1:10 - 'the Lord's day'

There is no such thing as 'Sunday sacredness' in all of Scripture, except as a Mark of the Beast (Daniel 7:25).

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Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity (Lord’s Day Alliance of the U.S., April, 2015). - Sunday as a Mark of Christian Unity

Have questions? Be sincere. Be honest. Be truthful. What is repentance? Want a real blessing, then read Acts 3 vs 26, for sin is the transgression of God's sacred Law, 1 John 3 vs 4.

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We would even love to hear from Kanye West and family, personally, that he too might not be deceived, or deceiving.


ROTFLMAO! He is probably just doing it because folks got offended with how he was saying he was Jesus. Yes Kanye, people
get offended when you laugh at their religion.

 
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Isaiah 58:13 in various translations:

KJB - "... my [context, the LORD's] holy day ..."

CJB - “... Adonai’s holy day ..."

ERV - "... the Lord’s special day ..."

EXB - “... the Lord’s holy day ..."

GW - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

ICB - “... the Lord’s holy day ..."

ISV - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

TLB - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

MSG - "... God’s holy day ..."

NOG - "... Yahweh’s holy day ..."

NABRE - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

NCV - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

NET - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

NIRV - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

NIV - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

NIVUK - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

NLT - "... the Lord’s holy day ..."

TPT - "... Yahweh’s holy day ..."
 

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Mayor Cam Guthrie: After COVID-19, I suggest everything be closed on Sundays to rest (March 2020)

"Just putting this out there for consideration: Once we kick COVID-19's butt, I'd suggest that everything be closed on Sunday's again so that we can appreciate the importance of what taking a pause in our busy lives really means. I think our body, mind and soul would thank us." - https://twitter.com/CamGuthrie/status/1241586949879730176
 

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Snake Oil Salesmen - The Blessssssing

You don't want to buy the merchandise of the serpent ... (watch, you'll see how it deals with the OP topic)
 

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Samoa PM wants to ban Sunday trading (June 2020)

"The Samoa Government is about to permanently ban all commercial activities on Sundays. Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi said on Radio 2AP last week that he had instructed the Attorney General’s office to draft a law to permanently close business activities on Sundays." - Samoa PM wants to ban Sunday trading
"business" deals with "buy or sell":

Rev_13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
 

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Catholic Church asking: 'Bring back the Blue Laws' (Sunday law) (June 2020)

"Acknowledging the rewards of the Sabbath are not limited only to Christians like Pope Francis, who in a 2018 interview declared: 'One day of the week. That's the least! Out of gratitude, to worship God, to spend time with the family, to play, to do all of these things ... Sunday laws, otherwise known as blue laws. As America returns to normality, we should consider these laws and their manifold benefits afresh." - Bring Back the Blue Laws - Crisis Magazine
 
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