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Hosni Mubarak- good President?
- Thread starter ronki23
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Gnostic Ambivalence
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Do you think his being on good terms with "Israel" (traditional Christians see their Church as Israel so to be fair to them it would be better to use the terms Zionist colonial project or Jewish colonial project)? If so why in a region where you can measure how much a state reflects the popular will by how opposed it is to the Settler colonial project in Palestine?
He was a vicious tyrannt. Egyptian politics is a depressing conflict between the Army and the Brotherhood, both of which have a lot to be said against them but there are hopeful signs this is changing.
Agnostisch
Egyptian Man
Well as an Egyptian here's what I have to say:
He led a corrupt oligarchy which saw the degradation of the Egyptian state in terms of education, infrastructure and services. This led to many people turning to the MB for support and many others to more a conservative form of Islam for answers. Now how much of this was directly his fault or the policies of men around him is debatable but at the end of they day the rot increased with his administration.
Egyptians had rarely enjoyed as much personal freedoms then under him and even the media was at least partially free compared to the rule of Nasser, Sadat or today's government. He opened up the country to the world economy sooner then some of the other "republics" to the point that I remember being able to buy most things found in the US and Europe (though again it can't be denied this was a luxury for those who could afford it). He kept the peace with Israel, which many of people might disagree with but for my parents was a huge deal because they were the first generation in a long time able to raise a child without a fear of war. And when an Islamist insurgency ripped through Egypt in the early 90s the government, army and police was able to quash it much faster and more efficiently then the ISIS insurgency we faced recently.
It's hard to define Mubarak in black and white terms but as it goes for many arab rulers I think the case of a hero living too long to become the villain is apt. His early years were defined by good stability and economic development only to end with a dilapidated corrupt state in a rapidly changing world.
I would just like to add my favorite quote. After Egypt had participated in the first gulf war (beside the Syrian army I might add) Bush Jr. went to Mubarak to ask for his support in the Iraq war. Mubarak not only turned him down but told him that "if the US invaded Iraq now, it would create 100 more Bin Ladens".
He led a corrupt oligarchy which saw the degradation of the Egyptian state in terms of education, infrastructure and services. This led to many people turning to the MB for support and many others to more a conservative form of Islam for answers. Now how much of this was directly his fault or the policies of men around him is debatable but at the end of they day the rot increased with his administration.
Egyptians had rarely enjoyed as much personal freedoms then under him and even the media was at least partially free compared to the rule of Nasser, Sadat or today's government. He opened up the country to the world economy sooner then some of the other "republics" to the point that I remember being able to buy most things found in the US and Europe (though again it can't be denied this was a luxury for those who could afford it). He kept the peace with Israel, which many of people might disagree with but for my parents was a huge deal because they were the first generation in a long time able to raise a child without a fear of war. And when an Islamist insurgency ripped through Egypt in the early 90s the government, army and police was able to quash it much faster and more efficiently then the ISIS insurgency we faced recently.
It's hard to define Mubarak in black and white terms but as it goes for many arab rulers I think the case of a hero living too long to become the villain is apt. His early years were defined by good stability and economic development only to end with a dilapidated corrupt state in a rapidly changing world.
I would just like to add my favorite quote. After Egypt had participated in the first gulf war (beside the Syrian army I might add) Bush Jr. went to Mubarak to ask for his support in the Iraq war. Mubarak not only turned him down but told him that "if the US invaded Iraq now, it would create 100 more Bin Ladens".