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When the Children of Israel claimed that Hagar הָגָר is a slave, God took revenge on them for being

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
is that true ?

Why did God want that destiny or fate that the children of Israel became slaves in Egypt? !!

Was this a divine revenge on the children of Israel because they insulted Hajar?
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
Just to verify. Are you talking about Hagar the mother of Ishmael?


yea brother
welcome back
For your knowledge, I love the children of Israel, and I do not have enmity, hatred or hatred
The topic is my jurisprudence for human dialogue, and I do not mean to offend anyone
If there is abuse, I will erase it
with ultimate respect for all
 

Iymus

Active Member
is that true ?

source or book?

Why did God want that destiny or fate that the children of Israel became slaves in Egypt? !!

Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
source or book?



Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Dan 9:11 Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him.

thanks dude for sharing
The children of Israel were enslaved in Egypt (servants) before Moses' prophecy

Pharaoh make The children of Israel Slaves before Moses

hmmm thanks dude for sharing

ALLAH bless you (^_^)

SHALOM
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
is that true ?

Why did God want that destiny or fate that the children of Israel became slaves in Egypt? !!

Was this a divine revenge on the children of Israel because they insulted Hajar?


Some argue that this calamity was to purify the children of Israel of unjust mistakes and allegations
 

Iymus

Active Member
thanks dude for sharing
The children of Israel were enslaved in Egypt (servants) before Moses' prophecy

Pharaoh make The children of Israel Slaves before Moses

hmmm thanks dude for sharing

ALLAH bless you (^_^)

SHALOM

Deu 28:68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

I have heard some say that Egypt represents bondage
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
Deu 28:68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.

I have heard some say that Egypt represents bondage

No, it was forcing us to put up with really silly questions.

THANKS FOR SHARING
This idea came to mind and led me to think and share the Jewish brothers here
In general, thank you, and please do not take the issue sensitive
I love you, and I swear to God, I do not hold a hostile or racist character

Just try to participate in the jurisprudence and research benefit of the evidence
 

Iymus

Active Member
Looking in Genesis it seems Abraham and the Angel of the Lord both had the mindset that Hagar was under Sarai

Gen 16:5 And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.
Gen 16:6 But Abram said unto Sarai, Behold, thy maid is in thy hand; do to her as it pleaseth thee. And when Sarai dealt hardly with her, she fled from her face.

Gen 16:7 And the angel of the LORD found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur.

Gen 16:9 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands.

Was this a divine revenge on the children of Israel because they insulted Hajar?

Also I may have to verify, but Reuben was the firstborn of Jacob or Israel and by that time I believe Hagar had already passed away.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
is that true ?

Why did God want that destiny or fate that the children of Israel became slaves in Egypt? !!

Was this a divine revenge on the children of Israel because they insulted Hajar?

Probably not.. But, there is a theory that Isaac is the son of Pharaoh since Abraham seems to have loaned Sarah out twice to further his ambitions.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
is that true ?

Why did God want that destiny or fate that the children of Israel became slaves in Egypt? !!

Was this a divine revenge on the children of Israel because they insulted Hajar?
Really?
God ‘wanted’ slavery?
 

Good-Ole-Rebel

Well-Known Member
Some argue that this calamity was to purify the children of Israel of unjust mistakes and allegations

Some argue a lot of things. So?

Scripture is clear why God led Israel into Egypt. It was so she would become a great nation. (Gen. 46:3)

Good-Ole-Rebel
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
yea brother
welcome back
For your knowledge, I love the children of Israel, and I do not have enmity, hatred or hatred
The topic is my jurisprudence for human dialogue, and I do not mean to offend anyone
If there is abuse, I will erase it
with ultimate respect for all

Ok. Good question, but I don't have a good answer for you. From scripture, I know that Ishmael was also promised a blessing;
Genesis 17:20-21… “As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
is that true ?

Why did God want that destiny or fate that the children of Israel became slaves in Egypt? !!

Was this a divine revenge on the children of Israel because they insulted Hajar?

Yeah, God's all into revenge and s***. That's why we worship him, right?:rolleyes:
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
is that true ?

Why did God want that destiny or fate that the children of Israel became slaves in Egypt? !!

Was this a divine revenge on the children of Israel because they insulted Hajar?
Did G-d say anything like that in this connection to Abraham or Hagar, please?

Regards
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
Probably not.. But, there is a theory that Isaac is the son of Pharaoh since Abraham seems to have loaned Sarah out twice to further his ambitions.

Pharaoh's soldiers are the ones who took Sarah hostage to him
Pharaoh could not touch Sarah because God was protecting her. Whenever Pharaoh extended his hand to touch it, Pharaoh's hand was paralyzed
I do not know who brought out this diabolical theory
 

j1i

Smiling is charity without giving money
Some argue a lot of things. So?

Scripture is clear why God led Israel into Egypt. It was so she would become a great nation. (Gen. 46:3)

Good-Ole-Rebel

Ok. Good question, but I don't have a good answer for you. From scripture, I know that Ishmael was also promised a blessing;
Genesis 17:20-21… “As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

Try not to shout.


With all due respect, it really seems that you're the one being overly sensitive.


I honestly do not know what that's suppose to mean.


I am grateful to you and I hope that I did not cause any negative feelings or sadness because I will stop participating and interacting in the matter.
With sincere respect and appreciation
Sara is our mother too, and we respect her

My brother David
I hope we will always be brothers in the full sense of the word agree on love
 
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