74x12
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Lot's of evidence. I'll try to get back to you. I have to leave now for awhile.
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Satan controls world from the top
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Really, are you sure? Personally, I haven't seen any of Satan's public statements published anywhere lately -- unlike Donald Trump, he apparently isn't even interested in texting his lies.
So could you point out a few of the more recent of Satan's lies that you've noticed, and how you know they're untrue? I mean, after all, you do say "that's one thing that is clear."
That isn't the "satanic model", if anything that is a model perpetuated by far right, conservative / imperial values and faith. Satan's domain is Cosmic, not just earthly... the earth is in power of the pretender to the throne known as Yahweh. Satan is not only that which resists these things, and tyranny, but the liberating force by which peoples' chains are broken. Satan Is, and those in power of the world deny that for the realization that we are all of Satan would weaken their position because it would no longer make them as powerful or special.
If you say so.....
dfnj
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Contrary to your religious delusions of spiritual slavery, people and Satan only take away from you what you let them. Contrary to Christian philosophy, the best defense against Satan is not to trust any authority outside of yourself. The best defense against Satan is to have the conviction, "absolute authority comes from within." Most Christians have to be told what to think by some outside source. Most Christians are incapable of having a strong conviction in their own inner voice of authority on spiritual matters. So Christians are extremely susceptible to becoming members of a dangerous cult. It is in Christian's nature to put all their trust in authority outside of themselves. This is why many Christians have such terrible lives full of suffering. They never take responsibility for their own problems. Christians are always seeking answers and solutions to their life problems outside of themselves. This is why Satan is so alluring to Christians.
dfnj
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The way you become a leader is by finding a parade and stepping in front of it. You cannot have Hitler, the Nazi's, and WWII Germany without the German people. The German people were a parade of people wanting to worship a STRONG authoritarian leader. Hitler just stepped in front of the parade.
So you have to ask yourself why does this keep happening. Why are people so conditioned to worship authority under one ruler at the top. The funny thing about evil is it is always where you least expect. You have to ask yourself what could Jesus have possibly be teaching to get himself crucified. I think Jesus was teaching you do not have to pay the temple for your absolution. Jesus was saying the Kingdom of God is everywhere and everyone as access to the God without payment to the church. This makes me think our omnipotent God may be a little more egalitarian in nature than the authoritarian God of judgement we find in the Bible. Let's think about the King James version of the Bible. Is it just me or isn't just amazingly self-serving coincidence that the divine form of government we find in the King Jame's Bible is the one King James was trying to legitimize with the people. Let's think about. King James wanted one ruler at the top to be treated and revered as much as God. Hmmmmm, sounds a little evil and self-serving to me. Sounds a little like what Satan would do don't you think!
King James even told you exactly how evil he was with his book, "The True Law of Free Monarchies"
The True Law of Free Monarchies by King James VI and I
"In this essay, James uses metaphysical arguments based on scripture to outline the mutual duty between monarch and subjects and to justify the theory of the divine right of kings. The divine right of kings is the absolutist idea that a monarch’s authority to rule comes directly from God and that he or she is not subject to any earthly authority. This is in contrast to the idea, popular with the Scottish kirk or church and espoused by James’s childhood tutor George Buchanan, that a monarch rules in accordance with some form of social contract with their people."
As I said, evil is always where you least expect it. The Bible is not the word of God. The Bible is Satanic propaganda of authoritarians. It is not about a God of unconditional love.
Wasn't that before the resurrection?
Well, I figured there were a bunch bad guys running the world, although I don't know of any supernatural force or something outside of this world which is involved.
I do have to wonder, though, if there is any such being or entity with that kind of power, why would they waste their time mucking around with the puny mortals of Earth? Are the other worlds of the universe so incredibly boring and empty that they're desperate to control this one?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Ancient Soul
The Spiritual Universe
There always has been, and there always will be evil people. An imaginary mythical entity has nothing to do with that.
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
For example?
Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Satan controls nothing.
Notice the first one. Satan is showing him these things. Why? To convince him that if he serves him, all of these things are his to give.
It is often said "The greatest illusion the devil has is convincing us that he does not exist." But this is not the case. The greatest illusion is to convince us that he is in charge. That we should fear him. Or that, as some of the world leaders have done, that serving Satan can give us wealth or power.
But loyalty is to God, because the power and the glory are his.
Jesus's kingdom is of the world to come, but Satan does not rule here.
Isaiah 45 (Yup, the entire chapter, but especially Isaiah 45:7)
Satan is not even in charge of misfortune. God himself brings it as part of his plan.
This article is a must-read.
Bible Q&A: Who Really Has the Authority on Earth, God or Satan? | Unlocking the Bible
Satan is lying when he says that he's in control. Even when you're depressed. Even when things seem hopeless. God is the ruler of this world.
In other words, God rules the actual Earth. Satan rules big governments (especially NGOs), tyrannies, pyramid schemes, etc.
But it isn't important to remember that this world is not what is important.
Notice the title. We fear God alone, Satan has no power over us.
In fact, the people who fear Satan the most are often those who have to watch out for demons, for they have no faith that God will protect them.
You mean you've never heard politicians, church leaders or greedy corporate CEO's speak?
By "published" you surely don't mean just in print...or on Twitter?
The one thing that's clear is that God is certainly NOT running this show.(1 John 5:19)
The lies?.....
That there is no climate change. The polar ice caps melting is not really a concern.....so we don't need to cut back on fossil fuels.
That human governments can rule without robbing their constituents blind and pocketing huge retirement pensions whist forcing a large percentage of the population into poverty and homelessness.
That medicines that save lives really cost thousands of dollars a month, and you must sell your house if you get cancer so you can pay all your medical bills.
That services for those caring for disabled and terminally ill loved ones are not necessary and you have to leave them alone all day so you can go to work and pay your taxes.
That the public school system is working.
That viruses that cause pandemics are not created in a lab.
That the world's economic situation is not crumbling before our eyes.
And the biggest lie of all....that the proposed 'one world government' that we are all being groomed to accept out of sheer desperation, will bring "peace and security" to the world.
Will that do?
Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Now let's talk about Satan's claim to give money and power.
2 Thessalonians 1:2-12
2 Peter 1:3
Proverbs 10:3
Matthew 6:31-32
All of these verses speak of how God provides for our needs. And I've seen it. I've even seen my apparent enemies helping by tossing aside their own blessings and being wasteful. The wastefulness of others is also a type of charity. So is their cruelty.
Deeje, read my post above. God is running the show?
So why doesn't it appear that way? Because we can only see the lies.
2 Thessalonians 1:2-12
2 Peter 1:3
Proverbs 10:3
Matthew 6:31-32
All of these verses speak of how God provides for our needs. And I've seen it. I've even seen my apparent enemies helping by tossing aside their own blessings and being wasteful. The wastefulness of others is also a type of charity. So is their cruelty.
Deeje, read my post above. God is running the show?
So why doesn't it appear that way? Because we can only see the lies.
I agree. I don't even know what to believe anymore. With Satan in charge, where did the lies start and where do they end? He could have even altered the Bible. We don't know. We cannot be sure of anything.
I can't even be sure that you are not a part of it. How can I know anything? That would be just like Satan. How can I trust the government about aliens when Satan is in charge. I mean they say they do not exist, but how are we supposed to believe that?
Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
There's no debate to be had, there's just "here are my own very niche and arcane apocalyptic beliefs, and anyone who disagrees with anything I have to say is a tool of Satan"
Of course, it may be presented in some flowery faux-Biblese, and possibly with a random Bible verse and/or a smugly condescending "I'll pray for you", but that's the core of it. I hope I've saved you some time.
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Kangaroo Feathers
Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
It's the basic unfalsifiable model that lies at the heart of so much fundamentalist thinking. Basically "anything I believe and personally approve of is truth, goodness and light direct from Jesus himself, and anything I don't believe and personally disapprove of is evil lies direct from Satan".
It's a perfect argument, it justifies anything, it rationalises anything, and it excuses anything. Aside from the fact it's illogical rubbish, it's
wonderful.
See also: "Any biological system with flaws or detriments is proof of The Fall, any biological system that works well is proof of Divine Design".
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I wish. Then we'd be better at that live and let live thing, and respect would be more common.
Well, isn't that special. Hmmm? I think you are trying to control my mind. I agree with everything you say. Then again, maybe you aren't who you say you are. You could be someone else or under the control of someone else. Who could it be? Who runs everything and controls everything? I don't know.
Could it be Satan?
Seriously though, I agree with you. There is no logic or reason to it. Someone claims it into a fact that has no means for verification, testing or validation.
I do not consider Satan to be an actual being and view it as a metaphor for human evil. If it were a real being in charge of the world as some Christians claim, then there would be no way we could trust anything or be certain of anything, even every religion.