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The Great Deception of the Bible - Foretold in Christianity

Cooky

Veteran Member
Some Christians claim, “The Bible is all I need,” but this notion is not taught in the Bible itself. In fact, the Bible teaches the contrary idea (2 Pet. 1:20–21, 3:15–16). The “Bible alone” theory was not believed by anyone in the early Church.

It is new, having arisen only in the 1500s during the Protestant Reformation. The theory is a “tradition of men” that nullifies the Word of God, distorts the true role of the Bible, and undermines the authority of the Church Jesus established (Mark 7:1–8).

Although popular with many “Bible Christian” churches, the “Bible alone” theory simply does not work in practice. Historical experience disproves it. Each year we see additional splintering among “Bible-believing” religions.

Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth
 

Iymus

Active Member
Ever since the printing press and twitter account it seems man has forgotten the duty of men and it's origin or primary source.

Ecc 12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Perhaps better for some to be made merchandise of

2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Sacred Tradition should not be confused with mere traditions of men, which are more commonly called customs or disciplines. Jesus sometimes condemned customs or disciplines, but only if they were contrary to God’s commands (Mark 7:8). He never condemned sacred Tradition, and he didn’t even condemn all human tradition.

Sacred Tradition and the Bible are not different or competing revelations. They are two ways that the Church hands on the gospel. Apostolic teachings such as the Trinity, infant baptism, the inerrancy of the Bible, purgatory, and Mary’s perpetual virginity have been most clearly taught through Tradition, although they are also implicitly present in (and not contrary to) the Bible. The Bible itself tells us to hold fast to Tradition, whether it comes to us in written or oral form (2 Thess. 2:15, 1 Cor. 11:2).

Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Ever since the printing press and twitter account it seems man has forgotten the duty of men and it's origin or primary source.

Ecc 12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Perhaps better for some to be made merchandise of

2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.


By what authority can you rightly claim that your interpretation of the bible is the accurate one?
 
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Cooky

Veteran Member
Jesus said his Church would be “the light of the world.” He then noted that “a city set on a hill cannot be hid” (Matt. 5:14). This means his Church is a visible organization. It must have characteristics that clearly identify it and that distinguish it from other churches. Jesus promised, “I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” (Matt. 16:18). This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return.

The Church has remained one, holy, catholic, and apostolic—not through man’s effort, but because God preserves the Church he established (Matt. 16:18, 28:20).

He guided the Israelites on their escape from Egypt by giving them a pillar of fire to light their way across the dark wilderness (Exod. 13:21). Today he guides us through his Catholic Church.
 

Iymus

Active Member
By what authority can you rightly claim that your interpretation of the bible is the accurate one?

Order of Operations and Precepts along with study and trying the spirits.

1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

Iymus

Active Member
By what authority can you rightly claim that your interpretation of the bible is the accurate one?

Order of Operations and Precepts along with study and trying the spirits.

1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

So not from God then.. But from you... A man..?

First and Foremost:

Did I create the Order of Operations and Precepts concerning the bible?

Is any spirit of me; Am I the Father of lies or Truth?

Is the increase of me?
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1Co 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
First and Foremost:

Did I create the Order of Operations and Precepts concerning the bible?

Is any spirit of me; Am I the Father of lies or Truth?

Is the increase of me?
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1Co 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Joh 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

What is this "Order of Operations and Precepts"..?
A tradition of man?
 

Iymus

Active Member
What is this "Order of Operations and Precepts"..? A tradition of man?

Order of Operations represents universal concept of what is expedient. For example even though the law of English dictates we read from left to right; in solving a problem we must multiply first before we add no matter what; That is what is edifying.

1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

In the bible the commandments of God our Father or will of God our Father encompasses what is expedient and the duty of men under Grace.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.

What is this "Order of Operations and Precepts"..? A tradition of man?

Precepts are instructions and they help reveal the will and intention of someone's command.

For example if some says to always take off shoes at the door. we can get insight or understanding that the individual is one of cleanliness or wants to limit dirt particles and foot prints inside their home.

Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

A tradition of man?

I believe you want it to be.

But

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Order of Operations represents universal concept of what is expedient. For example even though the law of English dictates we read from left to right; in solving a problem we must multiply first before we add no matter what; That is what is edifying.

1Co 10:23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

In the bible the commandments of God our Father or will of God our Father encompasses what is expedient and the duty of men under Grace.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Joh 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
Joh 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.



Precepts are instructions and they help reveal the will and intention of someone's command.

For example if some says to always take off shoes at the door. we can get insight or understanding that the individual is one of cleanliness or wants to limit dirt particles and foot prints inside their home.

Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.



I believe you want it to be.

But

Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

It is what it is, my friend. God does not mention a "order of operations", only man does.

And there is only one Holy, Catholic and Apastolic Church designated by God Himself, which is authorized by God to interpret the bible without error.
 

Iymus

Active Member
It is what it is, my friend. God does not mention a "order of operations", only man does.

The First Commandment is what is inside the Parentheses concerning order of operations concerning God our Father

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

because

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

and

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

therefore

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

And there is only one Holy, Catholic and Apastolic Church designated by God Himself, which is authorized by God to interpret the bible without error.

seems to be the broadest and widest gate within the Christianity professing umbrella

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Until the Saints of the Most High possess the everlasting kingdom I will continue to suspect the fourth beast and its manifestations along with

Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?
 

Cooky

Veteran Member
Sola Scriptura, without the Traditions of the Church, is partial faith.
The First Commandment is what is inside the Parentheses concerning order of operations concerning God our Father

Mar 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

because

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

and

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

therefore

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Deu 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.

Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?



seems to be the broadest and widest gate within the Christianity professing umbrella

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Until the Saints of the Most High possess the everlasting kingdom I will continue to suspect the fourth beast and its manifestations along with

Job 9:24 The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?

Lots of random, cherry-picked bible verses here. What it's all about remains a mystery.
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Some Christians claim, “The Bible is all I need,” but this notion is not taught in the Bible itself. In fact, the Bible teaches the contrary idea (2 Pet. 1:20–21, 3:15–16). The “Bible alone” theory was not believed by anyone in the early Church.

It is new, having arisen only in the 1500s during the Protestant Reformation. The theory is a “tradition of men” that nullifies the Word of God, distorts the true role of the Bible, and undermines the authority of the Church Jesus established (Mark 7:1–8).

Although popular with many “Bible Christian” churches, the “Bible alone” theory simply does not work in practice. Historical experience disproves it. Each year we see additional splintering among “Bible-believing” religions.

Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth
I believe the great deception foretold in the Bible (abomination of desolation) is :
The teaching that “faith alone” saves.
I really don’t know what you speak of when you say “foretold by Christianity”.
Christianity is a religion (or group of religions). And I’m quite sure that as a whole they have foretold many things. Probably nothing worthwhile.

Yet, I must agree with you.
The concept of sola scriptura is another one of those falsities that arose when the Catholic church lost its control. One needs a “body of teaching” in order to understand the Bible, otherwise an endless buffet of heresies will emerge.
BUT, that body of teaching MUST be true.
 

Iymus

Active Member
Lots of random, cherry-picked bible verses here. What it's all about remains a mystery.

1. If the First Commandment is not considered most expedient or inside the parenthesis when it comes to the order of operations of the bible then yes it is as you say and i am just cherry picking or perhaps:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

2. I also find it interesting that God seemingly becomes a mystery to Christian believers when one does not agree or correction seems grievous.

Pro 15:10 Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.

3. When one agrees everything is kosher and unleavened bread but now all of a sudden God is mystery? Perhaps seeking friendship with the Anointed of God will help unravel ones mysteries of God.

Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

4. There is also the Tanakh which is a wealth of precepts.

Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

5. I imagine the utilization of these two verse will be deemed as cherry picking to you but:

Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

1Co 3:7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
 

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Sacred Tradition and the Bible are not different or competing revelations. They are two ways that the Church hands on the gospel. Apostolic teachings such as the Trinity, infant baptism, the inerrancy of the Bible, purgatory, and Mary’s perpetual virginity have been most clearly taught through Tradition, although they are also implicitly present in (and not contrary to) the Bible.

I cannot find any of those things to be “implicitly present in...the Bible”....except perhaps “the inerrancy of the Bible” itself, though what constitutes “the Bible” can be disputed.

They are all in fact, contrary to Bible teachings.

The trinity violates monotheism by having one God split into three different bodies which can be separate in time and space, and who can supposedly think and act independently. That concept is definitely NOT biblical. (John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Infant baptism is definitely NOT supported in the Bible, though the age of the candidate is not mandated, they must be of age to understand what Jesus taught and be able to decide for themselves that they want to be a follower of Christ. No one can dedicate a person to God as a “Christian”, but the person themselves. It carries a weight of personal responsibility. (Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 2:41; Acts 8:12)

Purgatory finds NO support in scripture, which speaks of death as a “sleep”, not a conscious existence in any other realm. (John 11:11-14) Going to heaven, hell or purgatory was not something Jesus taught and a bit of research into “Gehenna” (which Jesus spoke about) will reveal that to a Jew it meant nothing like what the RCC turned it into.(Ecclesiastes 9:5; 10)

The perpetual virginity of Mary is borrowed from ancient mother worship which originated in Babylon with the mother of Nimrod. (if you do some research, it will become obvious)

Jesus had siblings as the scriptures state.
This is clearly indicated in the Gospels. Luke’s Gospel refers to Jesus as Mary’s “firstborn,” implying that she later bore other children. (Luke 2:7)
Mark’s Gospel reports that some in the city of Nazareth equated Jesus with his siblings, regarding him as nothing special. They asked.....Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joseph, and Jude, and Simon? are not also his sisters here with us? And they were scandalized in regard of him.” (Mark 6:3 Douay) His male siblings are even named.

Matthew 12:46...
"46 As he was yet speaking to the multitudes, behold his mother and his brethren stood without, seeking to speak to him.

47 And one said unto him: Behold thy mother and thy brethren stand without, seeking thee.
48 But he answering him that told him, said: Who is my mother, and who are my brethren?
49 And stretching forth his hand towards his disciples, he said: Behold my mother and my brethren.
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father, that is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Douay)

What is translated "brethren" here has the primary meaning of "a sibling or half sibling" (which makes John 7:5..."For neither did his brethren believe in him" an admission that his siblings had not at that time believed him to be the Messiah. He was just Jesus, their older brother.)

Why would Jesus' mother be there seeking to speak with him accompanied by those who were already believers? You can see that he contrasted his family members with his followers, so these were in fact his fleshly siblings and his mother.

The Bible itself tells us to hold fast to Tradition, whether it comes to us in written or oral form (2 Thess. 2:15, 1 Cor. 11:2).

What traditions was Paul speaking about?
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 says...
"Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle." (Douay)

By saying "our gospel" and "our epistle" Paul is speaking about the teachings of the apostles.....not their supposed successors.

1 Corinthians 11:2..."Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me: and keep my ordinances as I have delivered them to you." (Douay)

From Jesus' own words it is clear that "tradition" that comes from outside of scripture...that is NOT from himself or the apostles, and which is in direct contradiction to those teachings, is to be disregarded.

"All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,
17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work."
(2 Timothy 3:16-17 Douay)

It says "all scripture"....NOT scripture and man-made traditions that contradict God's word. (Matthew 15:6-9)

Allow the Bible to speak for itself.....it doesn't lie...but men do.
 
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Cooky

Veteran Member
I cannot find any of those things to be “implicitly present in...the Bible”....except perhaps “the inerrancy of the Bible” itself, though what constitutes “the Bible” can be disputed.

They are all in fact, contrary to Bible teachings.

The trinity violates monotheism by having one God split into three different bodies which can be separate in time and space, and who can supposedly think and act independently. That concept is definitely NOT biblical. (John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Infant baptism is definitely NOT supported in the Bible, though the age of the candidate is not mandated, they must be of age to understand what Jesus taught and be able to decide for themselves that they want to be a follower of Christ. No one can dedicate a person to God as a “Christian”, but the person themselves. It carries a weight of personal responsibility. (Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 2:41; Acts 8:12)

Purgatory finds NO support in scripture, which speaks of death as a “sleep”, not a conscious existence in any other realm. (John 11:11-14) Going to heaven, hell or purgatory was not something Jesus taught and a bit of research into “Gehenna” (which Jesus spoke about) will reveal that to a Jew it meant nothing like what the RCC turned it into.(Ecclesiastes 9:5; 10)

The perpetual virginity of Mary is borrowed from ancient mother worship which originated in Babylon with the mother of Nimrod. (if you do some research, it will become obvious)

Jesus had siblings as the scriptures state.
This is clearly indicated in the Gospels. Luke’s Gospel refers to Jesus as Mary’s “firstborn,” implying that she later bore other children. (Luke 2:7)
Mark’s Gospel reports that some in the city of Nazareth equated Jesus with his siblings, regarding him as nothing special. They asked.....Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joseph, and Jude, and Simon? are not also his sisters here with us? And they were scandalized in regard of him.” (Mark 6:3 Douay) His male siblings are even named.

Matthew 12:46...
"46 As he was yet speaking to the multitudes, behold his mother and his brethren stood without, seeking to speak to him.

47 And one said unto him: Behold thy mother and thy brethren stand without, seeking thee.
48 But he answering him that told him, said: Who is my mother, and who are my brethren?
49 And stretching forth his hand towards his disciples, he said: Behold my mother and my brethren.
50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father, that is in heaven, he is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Douay)

What is translated "brethren" here has the primary meaning of "a sibling or half sibling" (which makes John 7:5..."For neither did his brethren believe in him" an admission that his siblings had not at that time believed him to be the Messiah. He was just Jesus, their older brother.)

Why would Jesus' mother be there seeking to speak with him accompanied by those who were already believers? You can see that he contrasted his family members with his followers, so these were in fact his fleshly siblings and his mother.



What traditions was Paul speaking about?
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 says...
"Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle." (Douay)

By saying "our gospel" and "our epistle" Paul is speaking about the teachings of the apostles.....not their supposed successors.

1 Corinthians 11:2..."Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me: and keep my ordinances as I have delivered them to you." (Douay)

From Jesus' own words it is clear that "tradition" that comes from outside of scripture...that is from himself or the apostles, and which is in direct contradiction to those teachings, is to be disregarded.

"All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,
17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work."
(2 Timothy 3:16-17 Douay)

It says "all scripture"....NOT scripture and man-made traditions that contradict God's word. (Matthew 15:6-9)

Allow the Bible to speak for itself.....it doesn't lie...but men do.

Nonsense.

By what authority can you rightly claim that your interpretation of the bible is the accurate one?

...Because I can show you where these things are implicitly present in the bible, as interpreted by God's one and only Holy Catholic Church, the solely authorized interpreter of the bible..!

...Though I'm sure you prefer the interpretations of men, since that's what JW's go with.
 
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