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The stars shall fall from heaven...

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I understand what your saying,.
But I do not follow man's teachings..
I only follow my Lord Jesus Christ teachings and that is al

No. You ‘believe’ you are following Lord Jesus Christ’s Teachings. In fact belief alone counts for nothing if we consider the Words of Jesus in the same sermon (Matthew 25:31-46). In a religious debate we need to work with known facts, not subjective feelings and opinions.

Why don't you try telling that to Israel.
That the wall in which they call the wailing Wall is not part of the temple that Israel has been praying at for nearly 2000 years is not the wailing Wall part of the temple.
This is a first that my ancestors have been praying at that wall for nearly 2000 years
and now people wants to tell us the wall our ancestors prayed at is not the temple wall.

Once again we need to deal with known facts. Your claim to be Jewish is of no more value in this discussion than your claim to be Christian. We are examining a verse from Christ’s final sermon as recorded in the synoptic Gospels. To understand that verse we need to understand how some of the prophecy has already been fulfilled. The Jews do not believe one verse of the Tanakh was fulfilled through Christ’s Revelation and they steadfastly await their Messiah. However failure to recognise the facts and rely on vain imaginings is part of the human condition and affects us all regardless of what faith or race we declare our allegiance to. That is at the heart of the Gospel Message when Christ said, the truth shall set you free (John 8:32).

So the Jews pray at the wailing wall not because of what it actually is but what it represents about their links to the past and hopes for their future. However the historical facts are the main concern here.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
No. You ‘believe’ you are following Lord Jesus Christ’s Teachings. In fact belief alone counts for nothing if we consider the Words of Jesus in the same sermon (Matthew 25:31-46). In a religious debate we need to work with known facts, not subjective feelings and opinions.



Once again we need to deal with known facts. Your claim to be Jewish is of no more value in this discussion than your claim to be Christian. We are examining a verse from Christ’s final sermon as recorded in the synoptic Gospels. To understand that verse we need to understand how some of the prophecy has already been fulfilled. The Jews do not believe one verse of the Tanakh was fulfilled through Christ’s Revelation and they steadfastly await their Messiah. However failure to recognise the facts and rely on vain imaginings is part of the human condition and affects us all regardless of what faith or race we declare our allegiance to. That is at the heart of the Gospel Message when Christ said, the truth shall set you free (John 8:32).

So the Jews pray at the wailing wall not because of what it actually is but what it represents about their links to the past and hopes for their future. However the historical facts are the main concern here.


Those Jews who reject Jesus Christ.
do you have any clue or idea who they actually were?
There are two types of Jews in the world.
But the question is. do you know the difference between the two.

Jesus Christ denounce them as not being the children of Abraham.
But yet those Jews claim to be the seed of Abraham...but yet Jesus Christ denounce them as being the children of Abraham.

Even in the scriptures it is written.
"They are not all Israel..which are of Israel..
Therefore..there are two types of Jews.. but the question is. Is knowing who's..who.

How can someone be the seed of their father.. but yet not be their children?
 

sooda

Veteran Member
Those Jews who reject Jesus Christ.
do you have any clue or idea who they actually were?
There are two types of Jews in the world.
But the question is. do you know the difference between the two.

Jesus Christ denounce them as not being the children of Abraham.
But yet those Jews claim to be the seed of Abraham...but yet Jesus Christ denounce them as being the children of Abraham.

Even in the scriptures it is written.
"They are not all Israel..which are of Israel..
Therefore..there are two types of Jews.. but the question is. Is knowing who's..who.

How can someone be the seed of their father.. but yet not be their children?

Jesus was speaking of the Pharisees in Jerusalem and those with the Sanhedrin not all Jews. They despised the Jews of Galilee and Israel because of a long standing rivalry.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
ummm which part don't you believe ?

She doesn't know that Mt of Olives is EAST not North of the city...

jerusalem-mt-of-olives-map.jpg
 

cataway

Well-Known Member
False.

The United Nations is founded on protecting human rights including the right to religion.

Protect Human Rights

The constitution of the UN includes freedom of religion. Section 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights reads;

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Universal Declaration of Human Rights
UN Agenda 2030
 

cataway

Well-Known Member
and Jesus said;
9 “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name."

if you think we are surprise by what people say or do , thennnn you missed some thing
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
Jesus was speaking of the Pharisees in Jerusalem and those with the Sanhedrin not all Jews. They despised the Jews of Galilee and Israel because of a long standing rivalry.

There are two types of Jews in Israel,
There are those Jews in Israel who believe in Jesus Christ.
And these are Jews in Israel who do not believe in Jesus Christ, these are those Jews of Israel and Pharisees and Sanhedrin that Jesus Christ was speaking to.
denouncing them as being the children of Abraham.
 

sooda

Veteran Member
There are two types of Jews in Israel,
There are those Jews in Israel who believe in Jesus Christ.
And these are Jews in Israel who do not believe in Jesus Christ, these are those Jews of Israel and Pharisees and Sanhedrin that Jesus Christ was speaking to.
denouncing them as being the children of Abraham.

The Jews of Israel were considered Hellenized half breeds and bad Jews by of Judea. Jesus was safer in the North, Herod Antipas was unconcerned about him.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Those Jews who reject Jesus Christ.
do you have any clue or idea who they actually were?
There are two types of Jews in the world.
But the question is. do you know the difference between the two.

Jesus Christ denounce them as not being the children of Abraham.
But yet those Jews claim to be the seed of Abraham...but yet Jesus Christ denounce them as being the children of Abraham.

Even in the scriptures it is written.
"They are not all Israel..which are of Israel..
Therefore..there are two types of Jews.. but the question is. Is knowing who's..who.

How can someone be the seed of their father.. but yet not be their children?

It doesn't bother me whether someone is a Jew, Christian and atheist. There is only one consideration and that is the effort one person would make to assist a complete stranger who needs it (Luke 10:25-37).

If one is busy judging others (Matthew 7:1-4) then he needs to be more attentive to his own spiritual life and stop judging others. There needs to be genuine love (Matthew 22:36-40).

Many of the standards that were relevant two thousand years are no more relevant now than many Levitical laws had become during the time of Christ.
 

Faithofchristian

Well-Known Member
The Jews of Israel were considered Hellenized half breeds and bad Jews by of Judea. Jesus was safer in the North, Herod Antipas was unconcerned about him.

Yes..but not all Jews were half breeds...
Those Jews who confronted Jesus Christ were not half breeds..but yet they claimed to be the children of Abraham...
But Jesus Christ showed them that they maybe the seed of Abraham but not the children of Abraham.

And yes there are times that people may make typos when their texting..
So I made a typo in saying the mount of O'lives being in North side of Jerusalem..
When actually the mount of O'lives is on the East side of Jerusalem...

So I want to thank you for catching that..thank you..hope you have a very wonderful and great day and a great weekend
 
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