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Student who intervened and confronted bully shot and killed.

esmith

Veteran Member
I'm not an anti-gun: I own several. I'm pro-WELL REGULATED. A vast difference between ammosexuals, who want to be able to carry Anti-Tank Rifles around in public, and possibly nuclear hand grenades too.

NOBODY but NOBODY needs to open carry a Battle Rifle, semi-auto or otherwise. NOBODY.

Except for SWAT teams, but even those, I question how easy it is to call them up-- yes, there ARE situations where SWAT is called for. But those are far more rare than not.

Worse: Once you HAVE A Bureaucratic Creation? You feel obligated to "justify" it's existence. Exactly as in the movie Blue Thunder. The Bureaucrats had created that monster-- now they needed to show it was needed.
In your opinion what do you consider what new laws would make "well regulated" a fact and give your reasoning behind each law.and how you would enforce each new law
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Which makes up a very miniscule market, firearms bought, sold, or traded in that manner are typically between people that already know each other.
So? It still happens. This are should be closed, the loophole made non-existent.
In a private sale If a person knowingly or could be reasonably expected to know if a person is a convicted felon then they themselves are committing a felony if they sell a firearm to them.
Good luck proving it.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I'm not an anti-gun
I get that alot, myself. Called a shade of anti-gun, even though I'm not, I used to be an owner, and what I'd actually like to see is safety being enforced and laws made to not make them impossible to get, but a lot harder to get, particularity for violent criminals and those with a history of aggression and violence.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
I what I'd actually like to see is safety being enforced and laws made to not make them impossible to get, but a lot harder to get, particularity for violent criminals and those with a history of aggression and violence.

Those laws are already on the books, they have been there for years. Domestic abusers cannot legally purchase, own, or live in a residence where there are firearms.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
The term "loophole" is a poor term.
Some might call it a "dog whistle" for opponents of a policy.
Texas specifically allows private sales without a background check.
Gun shows are merely a venue where people meet to buy & sell.
In Michiganistan (& other states) we have stricter requirements.
My CPL/CCW gives me pre-approval to buy handguns (background
check having already been done).
Post 60.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Mandatory safety training will not stop those bent on inflicting injury and or death to others, just as drivers education does not stop automobile accidents.
Training isn't about stopping accidents, just minimizing them.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Mandatory safety training will not stop those bent on inflicting injury and or death to others, just as drivers education does not stop automobile accidents.
Safety is a concern it seems in this cases. No, it won't stop those, but safe and proper storage of firearms can help prevent theft, and general safety will help reduce the number of accidents.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Safety is a concern it seems in this cases. No, it won't stop those, but safe and proper storage of firearms can help prevent theft, and general safety will help reduce the number of accidents.
The only problem with storage is the cost of a safe that can not be readily removed. That would entail of a safe costing in the neighborhood of $900 or more and weighing in at a minimum of 600 lbs.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Mandatory safety training will not stop those bent on inflicting injury and or death to others, just as drivers education does not stop automobile accidents.
It could very well be argued that if some of these mass shooters had had the type of training proposed they would have been much more effective in killing....
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
The only problem with storage is the cost of a safe that can not be readily removed. That would entail of a safe costing in the neighborhood of $900 or more and weighing in at a minimum of 600 lbs.
And? Guns aren't necessarily cheap, and gun safety is paramount when guns are involved.
And I've seen safe Way cheaper than that, including gun safes. I have no idea where you got that number (other than pricey safrs), but there is no reason anyone would have to spend that much.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
And? Guns aren't necessarily cheap, and gun safety is paramount when guns are involved.
And I've seen safe Way cheaper than that, including gun safes. I have no idea where you got that number (other than pricey safrs), but there is no reason anyone would have to spend that much.
Yeah, they have for around $300 but you can pick one of those up and walk off with it. In other words .......will not deter a thief in the slightest and it holds only one revolver or pistol.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The only problem with storage is the cost of a safe that can not be readily removed. That would entail of a safe costing in the neighborhood of $900 or more and weighing in at a minimum of 600 lbs.
I use lighter ones, & bolt them down.
In Mr Van, I have an Amsec pistol safe screwed down.
 
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