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Student who intervened and confronted bully shot and killed.

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I can agree that this is sometimes true. It's why I suggest that those who carry should have training in non-lethal self defense, emt, and crisis response.

I am for gun rights, but well-regulated gun rights. An armed citizenry should be well trained in more than just the use of firearms.
But my grandpa taught me and I've been shooting since I was a little kid. What could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
And yet that isn't working. We are a very well armed nation. We have a dire and tragic gun violence problem that no one should live with. But, places that have fewer guns and more restrictions on guns and gun ownership, they have fewer shootings.

Mexico and Brazil are excellent examples of this.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
Then where is the gun violence in England and Japan?

You made a claim overall, you can't pick and choose. Mexico pretty much banned private ownership of just about anything and had one gun shop, now they are eying issuing citizens firearms for personal protection because they know they don't have the resources to combat violent crime, some areas are actually raising and training child militias to help fight against bandits and so on. Brazil has one of the highest murder rates in the world sometimes even surpassing warzones in the Middle East and their gun control is pretty strict.

Also of interest is that grade school child in Mexico that shot up his school dressed up as his favourite video game character.
 
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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
False: A well regulated militia is not giving every homicidal maniac a gun.

Ammosexuals keep forgetting that part of the Seconds: Well Regulated.
Anti-Gunnophobes keep forgetting that in those days people owned their own firearms in that well regulated militia.
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
A well regulated militia is not giving every homicidal maniac a gun.

Weird, the gubment never gave me a gun, I had to fill out paperwork, show my I.D, pass a background check and pay for it all on my own.

The 2a question was settled in 2008 in regards to private ownership.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Please let us agree the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with well armed good guys. Too bad there were not any well armed good guys around there in order to take down the homicidal armed bully.
Are you suggesting we arm children? How do we know whose good or bad in the moment? What about good guys who turn bad? Or good guys who might get mistaken for bad guys?

Life isn't a G.I. Joe cartoon.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Texas teen shot dead for defending classmate from bully days earlier, police say

The school faculty failed to prevent/stop bullying within it's walls. The bully's parents failed to raise their child properly. The gun owner failed to properly secure his firearm. A child is dead because he stood up and did the right thing.
let's put the blame directly to the shooter

it was his choice to carry the weapon and use it

decades ago....we had neighbors whose children would come to my house and play
the years passed

one of those boys grew up to be …...different
and that difference brought him to a place of business
where he robbed and then shot the guy behind the counter
just cause he could

he wasn't mine to raise
he moved away and became someone …..different

the difference?
hard to say

could there have been a pivotal moment?
with no one there to counsel
likely so

children are lost when we aren't looking
but hey
that pivotal moment could happen when you stand right beside them

after that.....the chain of events are set in motion

do you think you can sort through it?...…...

I think not
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
more recently.....someone that knows someone related the story....

a front door gave way....intruders with masks entered
one was shot dead quickly
by the home owner
alleged to have been a felon

by law.....felons are not EVER to possess a firearm

as the story unfolded it was considered
could the intruders have known the record of the homeowner?
and then reasoned he would not be armed
 

Stanyon

WWMRD?
And very different from modern firearms.

It doesn't change the fact that the common U.S. citizen was just as well armed as standing militaries around the globe at that time and in many cases they were probably better armed in the sense that rifled muzzleloaders are far more accurate and deadlier at longer ranges.
And this was at the time the 2a was written
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
again......local news....

someone was attacked by another using a hammer as weapon
the attacker was shot and killed by the victim
who was not suppose to have a firearm
a felon

if you were living in a bad neighborhood?
and life was risky at all times

would then risk illegal conceal and carry?
 
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