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Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
When faith changes into knowing
Some people need "peer-reviewed proof", before believing. I trust my own experience only, not others' reviews.
Hypothetical: Our belief in Jesus.
A) What is needed for you to really believe in Jesus?
For me, to really believe Jesus exists, now, and Him being omnipresent etc, it would be enough IF Jesus reveals Himself to me. If He comes to my room and I can see Him with my own eyes open. Even if I see Him with 1 eye open, that would be enough of proof for me (whether left or right eye, both are fine for proof). That for me, would be far greater proof than any "peer-reviewed proof"; I just don't trust others when it comes to belief. I need my own personal experience.
B) IF Jesus would come to your room, and you could see Him with open eyes (and those with little self confidence are allowed to touch Him). Would that be enough of proof for you? Or do you still need to phone your peers, to get a peer-reviewed proof? So, it comes down to "do you trust your own experience?" (there is a bucket of water to put your face in, in case you doubt your eyes or sleepiness; but Jesus is still there after a cooling splash)
C) Once you experienced Jesus in this way, would you dare to make a claim (even if you were Atheist before) like "I know Jesus exist" and would you tell others about your experience? Or would you rather keep it to yourself? I know 1 very good reason not to tell others.
D) After 1 year, would you still dare to claim "I know Jesus exists?". Are you still sure? I mean, do you still have proof? Of course you can claim "I know that 1 year ago Jesus existed", that is already quite a claim. But I think you can't be sure Jesus would still exist. Only when you perceive Him NOW, then you can claim "I know Jesus exists". Otherwise at best you can claim "I believe Jesus exists".
What do you think about this? How sure are you about things? When you think, that making claims make sense?
Some people need "peer-reviewed proof", before believing. I trust my own experience only, not others' reviews.
Hypothetical: Our belief in Jesus.
A) What is needed for you to really believe in Jesus?
For me, to really believe Jesus exists, now, and Him being omnipresent etc, it would be enough IF Jesus reveals Himself to me. If He comes to my room and I can see Him with my own eyes open. Even if I see Him with 1 eye open, that would be enough of proof for me (whether left or right eye, both are fine for proof). That for me, would be far greater proof than any "peer-reviewed proof"; I just don't trust others when it comes to belief. I need my own personal experience.
B) IF Jesus would come to your room, and you could see Him with open eyes (and those with little self confidence are allowed to touch Him). Would that be enough of proof for you? Or do you still need to phone your peers, to get a peer-reviewed proof? So, it comes down to "do you trust your own experience?" (there is a bucket of water to put your face in, in case you doubt your eyes or sleepiness; but Jesus is still there after a cooling splash)
C) Once you experienced Jesus in this way, would you dare to make a claim (even if you were Atheist before) like "I know Jesus exist" and would you tell others about your experience? Or would you rather keep it to yourself? I know 1 very good reason not to tell others.
D) After 1 year, would you still dare to claim "I know Jesus exists?". Are you still sure? I mean, do you still have proof? Of course you can claim "I know that 1 year ago Jesus existed", that is already quite a claim. But I think you can't be sure Jesus would still exist. Only when you perceive Him NOW, then you can claim "I know Jesus exists". Otherwise at best you can claim "I believe Jesus exists".
What do you think about this? How sure are you about things? When you think, that making claims make sense?
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