Can God lie?

[Faithofchristian]

Why can't God tell lies?

Jesus said , "ask anything of the father in my name and it will be done for you". What does that mean? He also said some people would not taste death until he returns and if you have faith of a mustard seed you can ask a mountain to be planted into the sea and it will be done for you. Why not interpret it as lying?

God can do whatever he wants, including lie. Why not? I mean, he said "thou shall not kill" then killed the first born of Egypt and floods the world killing women, children, and babies and destroys cities with fire and brimstone and orders genocide. God doesn't follow the ten commandments. Why can't he lie then?

He might find it fun. The book of Revelation strikes me as a lie. How on Earth are we going to have a world full of people with the mark of the beast on their foreheads or hands worshipping an image in order to buy or sell and those who don't get killed. The world has 2 billion Christians and a billion Muslims who would never go along with that. I don't think Jews, Buddhists, or atheists would go a long with it.

It sounds like something few Pagans would go a long with and Hindus would object from what I know of Hinduism and their celebration of the triumph of good over evil and condemnation of such sinister behavior.

It sounds like it is a lie but perhaps it was hyperbole and symbolism to convey a point not to be taken literally. End time prophesies are depressing and scary. Perhaps we should be more open to the possibility that they will never come true and they are simply lies.
God breaks his rules in scripture. He can do whatever he wants to and what are we gonna do about it? Are we going to tell him he can't do that?

Well first. You have to understand the Spiritual realm of what Jesus Christ is talking about...When he said..."There be some here that will.not taste death.till I come in my kingdom"

Now when Jesus Christ both died and was resurrected. At this time Jesus Christ came in his kingdom and many people witness in seeing Jesus Christ. Therefore many people did see Jesus Christ come in his kingdom..before they died..

Now as for having the mark of the beast.
There is no where in the whole book of Revelation that said anything about having the mark of the beast ( on ) your forehead.

What is actually being said..
Having the mark of the beast ( in )
Your forehead.
Now notice in verse 16 below (in)
their foreheads.. not ( on ) but ( in)
Revelation 13:16--"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads"

You see just one word taken out of its context of meaning..can and will change a whole sentence of what is actually being said.
Now what's (in) your forehead..your brain is whats (in) your forehead...
To have the mark of the beast (in) your forehead. Means you are under the beast's control and power to do whatever the beast wants you to do..

You said that prophecy ---"that they will never come true and they are simply lies."

Did you know. by what your saying
that. You are fulfilling prophet as you talk..

In the Bible in the book of Jude 10 it is written---"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves"

Jude 18---"How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time.
Who should walk after their own ungodly lust"
It seems to be.. your fulfilling Prophecy right before your very eyes and don't even know it.
So how is that you were saying about prophecy. Unto which was written
About 2000 years ago. And now the prophecy's are coming to be fulfilled.

 

[rational experiences]

Science on Earth is the only liar, males as humans.

Science has to tell science that science is wrong. Then the scientist says....see I am right, so then says science is right. Science itself is fake and wrong. It is not natural and is not copying natural laws.

O God the Earth and its atmospheric mass, supports everything living on it naturally. No law for science.

A male builds a machine and wants to impose a reaction......says I will copy what God owns naturally.

God not doing anything wrong....by determined the spirit of God and the history of spirit.

In science the spirit was always a gas. Science terminology of spirit.

Males when they claim information and idealization is from natural. Natural supports their existence and all natural laws. Says I will not be changed, for he is first imposing the status I AM INFORMED and informed by natural.

Then you do a reaction, mind changed in activated incoming UFO radiation mass for the machine reaction......seeing natural supports fusion existing.

That sort of liar.

The sort of liar that you say, okay if no laws existed, meaning natural planetary owned evolution, how can you talk science? No information to use...for you do not exist yourself.

And in the egotism of yourself you still argue.

So then you say okay male microbes exist...what if they did not exist, what information could you pretend you know if all the information that is EXISTING, natural did not exist. How would you claim a beginning of what from what?

No answer for you always lied.

When everything natural exists in the exact same moment as you thinking about it...then you apply a thought to all bodies NOT YOURS. Then in your egotism which is exactly what we spiritual selves taught against, you then claim by thought, I gave it an instant name...so I know.

Liars, non stop historical scientific lying and named self the Destroyer for it was always the actual title Scientist...the con of science is the history Satanism....how to inform self how to attack and destroy the physical reality of God and its natural support.

 

[rational experiences]

An example of science lying telling science that it is wrong whilst claiming I am right.

A monkey is your parent says a biologist.

Today 2 human beings are my parents, 2 humans had sex.

No he says a long time ago 2 monkeys produced the human baby.

We only live today for about a hundred years...we are not living in any past.

Biology talks about the past, when everything is natural right here right now in the natural living conditions that everyone owns....natural.

Science itself was the proven liar.

For no male can talk on behalf of a bio history that is deceased. We exist with the living which is what medical science said about lying Satanism...male egotism.

 

[Spiderman]

Well first. You have to understand the Spiritual realm of what Jesus Christ is talking about...When he said..."There be some here that will.not taste death.till I come in my kingdom"

Now when Jesus Christ both died and was resurrected. At this time Jesus Christ came in his kingdom and many people witness in seeing Jesus Christ. Therefore many people did see Jesus Christ come in his kingdom..before they died..

Now as for having the mark of the beast.
There is no where in the whole book of Revelation that said anything about having the mark of the beast ( on ) your forehead.

What is actually being said..
Having the mark of the beast ( in )
Your forehead.
Now notice in verse 16 below (in)
their foreheads.. not ( on ) but ( in)
Revelation 13:16--"And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads"

You see just one word taken out of its context of meaning..can and will change a whole sentence of what is actually being said.
Now what's (in) your forehead..your brain is whats (in) your forehead...
To have the mark of the beast (in) your forehead. Means you are under the beast's control and power to do whatever the beast wants you to do..

You said that prophecy ---"that they will never come true and they are simply lies."

Did you know. by what your saying
that. You are fulfilling prophet as you talk..

In the Bible in the book of Jude 10 it is written---"But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves"

Jude 18---"How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time.
Who should walk after their own ungodly lust"
It seems to be.. your fulfilling Prophecy right before your very eyes and don't even know it.
So how is that you were saying about prophecy. Unto which was written
About 2000 years ago. And now the prophecy's are coming to be fulfilled.

No, I said it could be lies. I didn't say I know it would be.

It's pretty easy to predict that in the end time there will be mockers. Of course there will be. What kind of a prophecy is that?

 

[Iymus]

Does god lie? For the Bible tells me so.


Jeremiah certainly thought so

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Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, “Alas, Master God! You’ve fed lies to this people, this Jerusalem. You assured them, ‘All is well, don’t worry,’ at the very moment when the sword was at their throats.”

Jeremiah 20:7
O Lord, You have lied to me and I was fooled. You are stronger than I, and have had power over me. I have been laughed at all day. Everyone makes fun of me.​

And

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Ezekiel 14:9
And when the prophet shall err, and speak a word: I the Lord have deceived that prophet: and I will stretch forth my hand upon him, and will cut him off from the midst of my people Israel.

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God also lied to Abraham about needing Isaac as a sacrifice. God knows this isn't true because as an omniscient being he knows that Abraham will be willing to go ahead with the sacrifice, and that the sacrifice won't be needed.

Genesis 22
2 Then God said, “Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains there. I will tell you which mountain.”

8 . . . So both Abraham and his son went together to that place. 9 When they came to the place where God told them to go, Abraham built an altar. He carefully laid the wood on the altar. Then he tied up his son Isaac and laid him on the altar on top of the wood. 10 Then Abraham reached for his knife to kill his son. So both Abraham and his son went together to that place. 9 When they came to the place where God told them to go, Abraham built an altar. He carefully laid the wood on the altar. Then he tied up his son Isaac and laid him on the altar on top of the wood. 10 Then Abraham reached for his knife to kill his son.

12 The Lord said, “Do not reach out [with the knife in] your hand against the boy, and do nothing to [harm] him; for now I know that you fear God [with reverence and profound respect], since you have not withheld from Me your son, your only son [of promise].”

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And god will even lie by proxy

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1 Kings 22:23
23 “So that is what has happened here. The Lord made your prophets lie to you. The Lord himself decided to bring this disaster to you.”
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And, if one considers Jesus to be an aspect of god, he too lies, about his Second Coming:

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Matthew 16: 28
Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.​

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If the OT and NT are valid, could your post above be blaspheming the Holy Spirit or the Wisdom of God since you are misrepresenting him thru the words of his prophets?

 

[Skwim]

If the OT and NT are valid, could your post above be blaspheming the Holy Spirit or the Wisdom of God since you are misrepresenting him thru the words of his prophets?

What do you mean by "valid"? And exactly how am I misrepresenting him?

Please show your work.

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[rational experiences]

Who taught humans spiritually that God was right and human Satanists/scientists were wrong?

God did, the natural spiritual body of a planetary history.

Science says as humans, you cannot claim that God is a spirit. Yet when they change the natural seals of God the stone, suddenly evil spirits emerge.

And so humanity say, I told you we came from an eternal spirit and that God fell into the body of space opening as O God was the sung language sung out of eternal.

How creation was created....no says science you are all wrong. So science then studies occult phenomena and science proved to science that science was wrong...for the presence of evil was real....as was spirit form.

So males as the inventor creator of the evil spirit that he took out of the SEALS of God that had burnt its owned pre higher eternal spirit proved itself.

Now what I learnt as a spiritual human who said, do not like religion, seeing all our human family arguing and murdering each other and the history of the evils of religious occultism. I said to spirit if you are real prove it. And a voice said to me, live the spiritual life yourself first and it will be proven.

So I did...and then realised religious formats of historic reasoning both pro and con for and against human realization.....and did not lie like some humans do.

Religion had its own spiritual purpose and astute scientific medical reasoning for its practices. Science just says all religion is wrong...for science, doing the conjuring of the occult evils never wanted to be stopped.

As real history of life on Earth.

Therefore the records in AI of God own a spiritual body that was mass water evaporated with oxygen and water and microbes that a human being spiritual self was using in their owned bio life.

Got removed off the ground and it evaporated and flew off into the Heavens.

Human natural spiritual memory agrees with this causation of occult UFO pyramid sciences....reasons cause and effect.

It was the history when God a portion of the human life spirit was recorded in a separated body. So humans said we own it and one day it will get returned back to our ownership. And it is how it was always taught.

And I heard God speaking in my psyche as a male, and a group ownership of males, far superior in their spiritual reactive information than what any bio human male acts like. So I learnt, not because I wanted to learn, but because I had it forced upon me by occult conditions, being irradiated in nuclear fall out conditions.

I was taught spirituality, I do not just believe it because it was preached.

Therefore information says that the original God male....seeing a male has to own a penis to claim I am a male....was superior to any of you today. He made an innocent mistake.....never knowing evil in person. Evil then attacked him and he learnt his first scientific lesson....never agree with science ever again.

As his owned male scientific spiritual reasoning to his own science self. As the stories of God.

Now if a male in science says to humanity, you do not own any proof that creation came from a higher body. The answer to a scientist, nor do you...whatever it used to be converted into creation....so why don't you stop lying to your self instead of telling humanity that it is wrong for knowing that we came from a higher spiritual place and were converted into the life we now live!

 

[Iymus]

What do you mean by "valid"?

Valid is in true.

And exactly how am I misrepresenting him?

By using the words of his prophets to imply that he is as a man that does lie or son of man that turns back.

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

So once again I ask:

If the OT and NT are valid, could your post above be blaspheming the Holy Spirit or the Wisdom of God since you are misrepresenting him thru the words of his prophets?

 

[Subduction Zone]

If the OT and NT are valid, could your post above be blaspheming the Holy Spirit or the Wisdom of God since you are misrepresenting him thru the words of his prophets?

This is an odd post that leads to a question:

Do you realize that if God cannot lie quite a bit of the Bible cannot be taken literally?

 

[Skwim]

Valid is in true.

So you mean to ask, "If the OT and NT are true, could your post above be blaspheming the Holy Spirit or the Wisdom of God since you are misrepresenting him thru the words of his prophets?

In answer, because neither testament is entirely true, I have to ask "Because the OT and NT are not entirely true, could my post above be blaspheming the Holy Spirit or the Wisdom of God since you say I'm misrepresenting him thru the words of his prophets?

By using the words of his prophets to imply that he is as a man that does lie or son of man that turns back.

I have no idea why you mention "or son of man that turns back," a complete irrelevancy. In any case, as for "using the words of his prophets to imply that he is as a man that does lie." I did no such thing. I assert the Bible says god lies.

Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

So what? God lied by proxy

1 Kings 22:23
23 “So that is what has happened here. The Lord made your prophets lie to you. The Lord himself decided to bring this disaster to you.”​

And lied directly to Abraham when he told Abraham that he needed the old man to sacrifice his son Issac, which we know he didn't need because it was all a silly test.

Genesis 22:
After these things God decided to test Abraham’s faith. God said to him, “Abraham!”
And he said, “Yes!”
2 Then God said, “Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains there. I will tell you which mountain.”​

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[Subduction Zone]

So you mean to ask, "If the OT and NT are true, could your post above be blaspheming the Holy Spirit or the Wisdom of God since you are misrepresenting him thru the words of his prophets?

In answer, because neither testament is entirely true, I have to ask "If the OT and NT are not entirely true, could my post above be blaspheming the Holy Spirit or the Wisdom of God since you say I'm misrepresenting him thru the words of his prophets?


I have no idea why you mention "or son of man that turns back," a complete irrelevancy. In any case, as for "using the words of his prophets to imply that he is as a man that does lie." I did no such thing. I assert the Bible says god lies.


So what? God lied by proxy

1 Kings 22:23
23 “So that is what has happened here. The Lord made your prophets lie to you. The Lord himself decided to bring this disaster to you.”​

And lied directly to Abraham when he told Abraham that needed the old man to sacrifice his son Issac, which we know he didn't because it was all a silly test.

Genesis 22:
After these things God decided to test Abraham’s faith. God said to him, “Abraham!”
And he said, “Yes!”
2 Then God said, “Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains there. I will tell you which mountain.”​

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Hold on a second there partner. God can and does lie? Then there could have been a Flood of Noah. Though the lies you mentioned would be extremely small potatoes in comparison.

 

[Skwim]

Hold on a second there partner. God can and does lie? Then there could have been a Flood of Noah. Though the lies you mentioned would be extremely small potatoes in comparison.

Really small potatoes.

But a lie is a lie is a lie.

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[Iymus]

In answer, because neither testament is entirely true, I have to ask "If the OT and NT are not entirely true, could my post above be blaspheming the Holy Spirit or the Wisdom of God since you say I'm misrepresenting him thru the words of his prophets?

we can focus specifically on the verses you mentioned then.

Does god lie? For the Bible tells me so.


Jeremiah certainly thought so

Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, “Alas, Master God! You’ve fed lies to this people, this Jerusalem. You assured them, ‘All is well, don’t worry,’ at the very moment when the sword was at their throats.”

Jeremiah 20:7
O Lord, You have lied to me and I was fooled. You are stronger than I, and have had power over me. I have been laughed at all day. Everyone makes fun of me.
And

Ezekiel 14:9
And when the prophet shall err, and speak a word: I the Lord have deceived that prophet: and I will stretch forth my hand upon him, and will cut him off from the midst of my people Israel.


God also lied to Abraham about needing Isaac as a sacrifice. God knows this isn't true because as an omniscient being he knows that Abraham will be willing to go ahead with the sacrifice, and that the sacrifice won't be needed.

Genesis 22
2 Then God said, “Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains there. I will tell you which mountain.”

8 . . . So both Abraham and his son went together to that place. 9 When they came to the place where God told them to go, Abraham built an altar. He carefully laid the wood on the altar. Then he tied up his son Isaac and laid him on the altar on top of the wood. 10 Then Abraham reached for his knife to kill his son. So both Abraham and his son went together to that place. 9 When they came to the place where God told them to go, Abraham built an altar. He carefully laid the wood on the altar. Then he tied up his son Isaac and laid him on the altar on top of the wood. 10 Then Abraham reached for his knife to kill his son.

12 The Lord said, “Do not reach out [with the knife in] your hand against the boy, and do nothing to [harm] him; for now I know that you fear God [with reverence and profound respect], since you have not withheld from Me your son, your only son [of promise].”


And god will even lie by proxy

1 Kings 22:23
23 “So that is what has happened here. The Lord made your prophets lie to you. The Lord himself decided to bring this disaster to you.”

I have no idea why you mention "or son of man that turns back," a complete irrelevancy.

ok. let's omit it then.

In any case, as for "using the words of his prophets to imply that he is as a man that does lie." I did no such thing. I assert the Bible says god lies.

So you are using the verses you mentioned specifically to prove or assert that the God of the Bible is a liar?

If this is the case, if God is not a liar could you be blaspheming him by misinterpreting words of his prophets or the intentions behind them?
Also did you get any confirmation or insight from Jews that God is a liar, based of the verses you quoted specifically in the bible?

 

[dfnj]

Why can't God tell lies?

An omnipotent God has no limitations or boundaries. An omnipotent God is capable of every possible capability. And omnipotent God is not bounded by the laws of physics or logic. So an omnipotent God can be both male and female at the same time. An omnipotent God can appear to be lying and telling the truth at the same time. Human language is like a lens only allowing certain semantics to come through. The problem is not with God. The problem is with our language and trying to talk about God.

 

[Skwim]

So you are using the verses you mentioned specifically to prove or assert that the God of the Bible is a liar?

I assert the Bible says god lies.

If this is the case, if God is not a liar could you be blaspheming him by misinterpreting words of his prophets or the intentions behind them?

Don't really know, but The bible says he IS a liar---see my other posts---so there's no possibility I'd be blaspheming..

Also did you get any confirmation or insight from Jews that God is a liar, based of the verses you quoted specifically in the bible?

Nope, I did it with the help of the English language and a good understanding of its grammar. You know, stuff like Predicates Express Action, Direct Objects Are Information Providers, Colons Indicate Separation, Parentheses Add Information, Apostrophes Indicate Missing Letters and Possession, and so forth.

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[InChrist]

Why can't God tell lies?

Jesus said , "ask anything of the father in my name and it will be done for you". What does that mean? He also said some people would not taste death until he returns and if you have faith of a mustard seed you can ask a mountain to be planted into the sea and it will be done for you. Why not interpret it as lying?

God can do whatever he wants, including lie. Why not? I mean, he said "thou shall not kill" then killed the first born of Egypt and floods the world killing women, children, and babies and destroys cities with fire and brimstone and orders genocide. God doesn't follow the ten commandments. Why can't he lie then?

He might find it fun. The book of Revelation strikes me as a lie. How on Earth are we going to have a world full of people with the mark of the beast on their foreheads or hands worshipping an image in order to buy or sell and those who don't get killed. The world has 2 billion Christians and a billion Muslims who would never go along with that. I don't think Jews, Buddhists, or atheists would go a long with it.

It sounds like something few Pagans would go a long with and Hindus would object from what I know of Hinduism and their celebration of the triumph of good over evil and condemnation of such sinister behavior.

It sounds like it is a lie but perhaps it was hyperbole and symbolism to convey a point not to be taken literally. End time prophesies are depressing and scary. Perhaps we should be more open to the possibility that they will never come true and they are simply lies.

God breaks his rules in scripture. He can do whatever he wants to and what are we gonna do about it? Are we going to tell him he can't do that?

God cannot lie or do anything contrary to His own Nature, Essence and Being...

“But God is infinite in power, so there must be nothing He can't do! Really? The very fact that He is infinite in power means He cannot fail. There is much else which finite beings do all the time but which the infinite, absolutely sovereign God cannot do because He is God: lie, cheat, steal, sin, be mistaken, etc. “

What a Sovereign God Cannot Do

 

[Iymus]

assert the Bible says god lies.

I see.

so there's no possibility I'd be blaspheming..

Even if the intention of those verses is not that God is a liar ?

Nope, I did it with the help of the English language and a good understanding of its grammar.

Even if the original language is not English? Shouldn't there be verification and context to ensure whether the God of the Bible is a liar or not? Is just going off the english translation without further context from Jews sufficient enough to call the God of the bible a liar?

 

[Skwim]

God cannot lie or do anything contrary to His own Nature, Essence and Being...

“But God is infinite in power, so there must be nothing He can't do! Really? The very fact that He is infinite in power means He cannot fail.

So wouldn't not being able to fail be something he can't do?

There is much else which finite beings do all the time but which the infinite, absolutely sovereign God cannot do because He is God: lie, cheat, steal, sin, be mistaken, etc. “

Hmmm, more stuff a god with infinite power can't do. Looks like this infinite power thing isn't as big a deal as it's cracked up to be.

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[Skwim]

Even if the intention of those verses is not that God is a liar ?

Not at all sure what the intentions of their writers, or those who put them in the Bible were, but whatever they were it included assertions that god lies.

Even if the original language is not English? Shouldn't there be verification and context to ensure whether the God of the Bible is a liar or not? Is just going off the english translation without further context from Jews sufficient enough to call the God of the bible a liar?

The forms the many versions of the English Bible take is the result of hundreds of years of scholarly research and linguistic analysis. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that everything that needed to be done with the source material has already been done. The only thing left to do is to edit upcoming versions so as to comply with specific theologies. The main reason we have 450+ different English versions of the Bible today.

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[Faithofchristian]

No, I said it could be lies. I didn't say I know it would be.

It's pretty easy to predict that in the end time there will be mockers. Of course there will be. What kind of a prophecy is that?

That's prophecy being fulfilled..
Of course there will be.when the prophecy pointing to a Pacific time.