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Judgement time - Are you ready?

Oh no, the source of moral standards is civilisation that gave rise to religion. Religion in turn, took those moral standards and weaponized them by excluding any who dont worship as they do.

Yes it is unfortunate that religion interfered with politics, the world is slowly seeing the error of those dark times

I do not believe so, when laws become set by democratic means they are no longer biassed towards the religious elite

And who is to say what is best for us? Is that your view of what is best for us or is it a democratic decision of what is best for us?

I see precisely the opposite and your statement is contradictory. Liberty is freedom from submission to authority.
the declaration change to america will not write a law respecting the sanctity of any religion then it got changed back to the original declaration after the Iranian general was assassinated that was a religious assassination.
a law is a philosophy and philosophies can corrupt
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
The composite beast of Revelation rises from the sea of many nations, and peoples and tongues. We voted the thing in. The people want uncensored streaming porn, legalized abortion, same sex marriage and transvestites in the high school girl's wash room

The dragon is in the bigotry and judgment and shallow thinking of this post.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
In Daniel 9:24-27 we find a prophecy that predicted the year—A.D. 27—that Jesus would begin His ministry. The prophecy also predicted that Jesus’ ministry to “confirm the covenant” would be cut off

Here are a few of the prominent prophecies given by God through Daniel:

Four world-ruling empires. In a dream given to King Nebuchadnezzar, God revealed through Daniel that there would be four world-ruling empires (Daniel 2:1-43). Historically, these have proven to be the Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Greco-Macedonian and Roman Empires. Emphasizing the surety of this prophecy, God also gave Daniel a vision in which these empires were represented by four great beasts (Daniel 7:1-3)

The kingdom of God. After telling King Nebuchadnezzar that there would be four world-ruling kingdoms, Daniel further prophesied: “And in the days of these kings [during the time of human government] the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever” (Daniel 2:44).

In the repetition of the prophecy about human world-ruling empires, Daniel further noted: “I was watching in the night visions, and behold, One like the Son of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and His kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed” (Daniel 7:13-14).

A little horn. In God’s vision to Daniel of four beasts, representing four world-ruling kingdoms, the fourth beast “had ten horns” (Daniel 7:7), which we have traditionally understood to represent 10 appearances of this fourth kingdom. Explaining what he had seen, Daniel wrote: “I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words” (verse 8).

This little horn that Daniel in vision saw “making war against the saints, and prevailing against them” (verse 21) is a religious power that will persecute God’s people at the end of this age (verses 24-25). Known by multiple names—the antichrist, the man of sin and the false prophet—this religious power will play a prominent role in the deception of mankind prior to Christ’s return. Additional references to this little horn are found in Daniel 8:9-12, 23-25.

The seventy-weeks prophecy. In Daniel 9:24-27 we find a prophecy that predicted the year—A.D. 27—that Jesus would begin His ministry. The prophecy also predicted that Jesus’ ministry to “confirm the covenant” would be cut off

The prophet begins as he and other young men from Judah were taken captive by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon (Daniel 1:1-4) in approximately 604 B.C. This captivity of citizens of Judah in Babylon lasted for 70 years, as God had foretold through the prophet Jeremiah (Jeremiah 25:11).

In Daniel 9:24-27 we find a prophecy that predicted the year—A.D. 27

. Daniel prayed to understand the meaning of his vision and it was interpreted to him that the four great beasts were a representation of earthly kings. The fourth beast was a kingdom dominating the entire Earth, its ten horns representing ten kings. The new horn that supplants the three that were plucked represents a new king that overpowers three of the ten kings and then makes war with God’s followers. This evil king will be supplanted by the Son of Man, who is Jesus Christ. Hence, the final horn represents the Antichrist and his world government, which precedes the Second Coming of the true Christ. (Daniel 7:17-27)

In Daniel 9:24-27 we find a prophecy that predicted the year—A.D. 27—that Jesus would begin His ministry. The prophecy also predicted that Jesus’ ministry to “confirm the covenant” would be cut off

Actually your post has a lot of truth in it. Well put together Brian :)
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
It rather depends on whether God is ─

A nasty, punitive, arbitrary Bronze Age tyrant as depicted in the bible, the kind of so-and-so who'd kill [his] own son or anyone else's whenever [he] wanted to, or

An infinitely loving and forgiving father, or

A being who's omniscient, omnipotent and perfect, so 14 bn years ago already knew in the tiniest detail everything that was ever going to happen, and made the universe intending it to happen, and is aware that no living thing can ever deviate even by the width of an atom from thinking, saying and doing exactly and only what [he] perfectly foresaw, and accordingly has a sign on [his] desk reading "ALL CREDIT AND ALL BLAME ARE MINE ─ ALL THE BUCKS STOP HERE",​

doesn't it?

Not really we all have free will to believe and follow God or not believe and follow God. We are all free to do as we wish. According to the scriptures there are consequences for our actions however. God is infinately loving and forgiving to all those who believe and follow him.
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Not really we all have free will to believe and follow God or not believe and follow God. We are all free to do as we wish. According to the scriptures there are consequences for our actions however. God is infinately loving and forgiving to all those who believe and follow him.
In order to have free will, we'd have be able to act in ways that God didn't foresee. But God's omnipotent and omniscient and perfect, so [he]'s always perfectly known, back before [he] made the universe, everything we'd all ever think say and do ─ and knowing that, [he] went ahead and created the universe anyway, so nothing ever happens that [he] didn't perfectly foresee and intend.

Alternatively, God is not omnipotent, omniscient or perfect.

(That would solve the problem of theological freewill.

It won't solve the problem of how the brain could possibly make "free" decisions independently of the complex and interacting chains of biochemical and bioelectrical cause+effect by which our brains work and decide.)
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
In order to have free will, we'd have be able to act in ways that God didn't foresee. But God's omnipotent and omniscient and perfect, so [he]'s always perfectly known, back before [he] made the universe, everything we'd all ever think say and do ─ and knowing that, [he] went ahead and created the universe anyway, so nothing ever happens that [he] didn't perfectly foresee and intend.

Alternatively, God is not omnipotent, omniscient or perfect.

(That would solve the problem of theological freewill.

It won't solve the problem of how the brain could possibly make "free" decisions independently of the complex and interacting chains of biochemical and bioelectrical cause+effect by which our brains work and decide.)

Not really according to the scriptures we have always had free will because we were made in the image of God. It is true God knows the end from the beggining according to the scriptures. God knew mankind would disobey him and made the plan of salvation before man had sinned and departed from God in order to bring us back to God. The fall of mankind according to the scriptures is because mankind choose to believe the serpent (devil) over the Word of God. Salvation from sin and reconciliation to God is in believing God's Word over the words of men (devil). We choose what we believe and follow. This is free will. According to the scriptures it is the by believing the Word of God that changes the heart and gives us power to walk in newness of life.
 
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3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
I suspect your idea of judgement is completely off base.

Well I have provided scriptural proof with minimal comment at starting from the first post on page 5. If you say it is off base you will need to show why it is from the scriptures. If you cannot why do you not believe the scriptures? Form what I see so far it is only you denying God's Word with your words which is not a reason not to believe what God says IMO :)
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
"You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud. - Leviticus 11:3​

The Lord told Ezekiel that His four deadly judgements were sword, famine, PLAGUE, and wild beasts.

"For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: How much worse will it be when I send against Jerusalem my four dreadful judgments--sword and famine and wild beasts and plague--to kill its men and their animals! - Ezekiel 14:21​

January 25, 2020:

U.S. Plans to Evacuate Citizens From Epidemic-Stricken Chinese City

The U.S. government is said to be arranging a charter flight to evacuate Americans from Wuhan.

SHANGHAI—The U.S. government is arranging a charter flight Sunday to evacuate its citizens and diplomats from the epidemic-stricken Chinese city of Wuhan to the U.S., a person familiar with the operation said.

Experts have also but confirmed the virus has come from bats after looking at it under a microscope – making it even more similar to SARS.

WSJ News Exclusive | U.S. Plans to Evacuate Citizens From Epidemic-Stricken Chinese City
The Wuhan Coronavirus

The Wuhan Institute of Virology stated: "It was found that nCoV-2019 is 96% identical at the whole genome level to a bat coronavirus.

"The pairwise protein sequence analysis of seven conserved non-structural proteins show that this virus belongs to the species of SARSr-CoV. The nCoV-2019 virus was then isolated from the bronchoalveolar lavage fluid of a critically ill patient, which can be neutralized by sera from several patients.

"Importantly, we have confirmed that this novel CoV uses the same cell entry receptor, ACE2, as SARS-CoV."

Just days ago, photos and videos emerged of people in the city eating bat-based dishes, including soup, with the animal considered a delicacy.
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The virus has already reached Europe and the United States, with fears they are just the tip of the iceberg in terms of infected people.

Nobuhiko Okabe, the head of the Kawasaki City Institute for Public Health, has also said the SARS-like virus is being turned into an epidemic by "super spreaders" – patients who are infecting large numbers of people.

This was a view backed by Australian health officials who said the virus is "evolving" after a number of cases were confirmed in the country.
January 25, 2020:

China coronavirus spread is accelerating, Xi Jinping warns

Chinese President Xi Jinping has held a special government meeting on the Lunar New Year public holiday to warn that the spread of a deadly new virus is "accelerating".

The country is facing a "grave situation" Mr Xi told senior officials, according to state television.

The coronavirus has killed at least 41 people and infected almost 1,300 since its discovery in the city of Wuhan.

Travel restrictions have already hit several affected cities.

And from Sunday, private vehicles will be banned from the central districts of Wuhan, the source of the outbreak.

A second emergency hospital is to be built there within weeks to handle 1,300 new patients, and will be finished in half a month, state newspaper the People's Daily said. It is the second such rapid construction project: work on another 1,000-bed hospital has already begun.

China virus spread is accelerating, Xi warns
The fish market, where they sell more than fish, where it all began.

I think that I saw bobcats for sale.

I would not eat a bobcat.

January 25, 2020:

Chinese virus strain 'evolving' as infected people seen spitting blood

The deadly coronavirus that is spreading around the world is showing signs of evolving and mutating, with infected people displaying horrific symptoms

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This looks spooky to me.

I wonder if they're overreacting wearing those suits.

Or building a 1000 bed hospital in 6 days.

China Is Building a 1,000-Bed Hospital in 6 Days to Deal With the Coronavirus Outbreak

The quarantined city's existing hospitals are overwhelmed. They're turning away patients with symptoms and are using social media to appeal for medical supplies.

China Is Building a 1,000-Bed Hospital in 6 Days to Deal With the Coronavirus Outbreak

I don't know.

But since the Lord made the Earth, and all them that dwell therein, in six days.

I will rest on the seventh.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Good post Dave, very imformative thanks for sharing. I believe God's dietry laws are also important. This is a good example as to why. Can I ask are you Waldensian Christian? They also keep the seventh day Sabbath according to the scriptures?

Happy Sabbath and thanks for sharing :)
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Scientifically verified? Not even historically verified. Therefore you opinion is that without actually evidence they justify your belief
How are you going to scientifically veryify a fulfilled prophecy? You can only record historically if something has happened or not happened. So no it is not my opinion it is historically verified as fact.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
JUDGEMENT TIME AND THE INVESTIGATIVE JUDGEMENT - WILL YOU BE READY?
I'll do my best tio be ready.

Hi all, according to the scriptures there will be both an investigative judgement and judgements from God poured out on mankind for those who do not believe and follow God's Word (biblical and Jewish scriptures); so the questions I am asking here are...
Yes.... a kind of 'If you don't join us we'll torture you for ever and ever and ever, even after death. Crucifixion would be an easy end compared to what you'll get if you don't join us. Yeah..... got that.

1. The investigative judgement what is it for?
Inquisition to find out who didn't join in.

2. God's judgements to mankind what are they for?
To threasten and blakmail the innocents in to joing?

3. How does one avoid receiving the judgements of God?
This is the 'You can't hide' clause. Very effective.

4. What is the difference between the investigative judgement and God's judgements?
Again, you cannot hide a single naughty act. You're toast..... unless you join.

5. What was the great day of atonement for and why (Yom kippur) ?
IOne massive final recuitment day to give all a last chance...... to join.



https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/judgement-time-are-you-ready.229362/page-5#post-6500078
Anybody who didn't join.
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/judgement-time-are-you-ready.229362/page-5#post-6500078 Relectless pain and suffering.
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/judgement-time-are-you-ready.229362/page-5#post-6500078

Folks who didn't join, obey and follow.
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/judgement-time-are-you-ready.229362/page-5#post-6500078
Sweet Jesus?
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/judgement-time-are-you-ready.229362/page-5#post-6500082

Jesus knows everything and will tell on you, if you don't join and obey.
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/judgement-time-are-you-ready.229362/page-5#post-6500082 Events to leave you terrified.
Yeah. The Great last war? Armageddon? Nasty threat, that.
Torture, pain, suffering for eternity. From Merciful Jesus?



Oh, it's no good. I ain't joing a Faith where the beautiful merciful, kind, healing Jesus becomes a totally merciless tyrant.
Nope. Not Joining.
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Why do you think morality has nothing to do with the judgement? What is the definition of morality or what it means to be moral?

Why? Why you ask?

Because of this.

Galatians 3:10-29

Scripture tells us that the only real purpose of the law is to point to Jesus Christ, and by extension to grace. Therefore, if the world is to be judged at all, morality is not the standard, but rather some other standard.

Shintoism, for instance, gives a standard. They see humans as memorable/not memorable, with their bad afterlife being that people forget you and your shrine becomes neglected. Likewise, Christianity offers a similar theory. He talks about people healing or casting out demons or other such works, but being told "I never knew you."

Being moral is pointless. Above all, more important is not to be the sort of person of whom come Judgement Day, we are judged "not memorable." Because then we are forgotten.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Why? Why you ask?

Because of this.

Galatians 3:10-29

Scripture tells us that the only real purpose of the law is to point to Jesus Christ, and by extension to grace. Therefore, if the world is to be judged at all, morality is not the standard, but rather some other standard.

Shintoism, for instance, gives a standard. They see humans as memorable/not memorable, with their bad afterlife being that people forget you and your shrine becomes neglected. Likewise, Christianity offers a similar theory. He talks about people healing or casting out demons or other such works, but being told "I never knew you."

Being moral is pointless. Above all, more important is not to be the sort of person of whom come Judgement Day, we are judged "not memorable." Because then we are forgotten.

Hi Samantha thank you for sharing your thoughts. What has what you have written above have to do with what you are quoting from and the post you are quoting from and how do they answer the questions asked of you? What does marality mean to you? What does it mean to have morals and what do these have to do with the judgement? You do know that according to the scriptures there will be a judgement right (scriptures already posted starting here linked)?
 
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3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
I'll be fine with a bag of Doritos.

Thanks anyway.



Man Pulls 5 1/2-Foot-Long Tapeworm Out Of His Body, Blames Sushi Habit
January 19, 20183:59 PM ET

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/01/19
/579130873/man-pulls-5-1-2-foot-long-tapeworm-out-of-his-body-blames-sushi-habit​

Be sure to click on the full size version. The worm is quite fascinating. Maybe they can eventually find their way onto the menu. It may turn out to be a rare delicacy item. (After they pull that pubic hair off)

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The tapeworm wrapped around a paper cylinder

Stuff Of Nightmares: Thai Man Pulls 32-Foot-Long Tapeworm Out Of His Bum
A man in northeastern Thailand has just experienced something that's stuff for nightmares.
By Caezar Sotto

12/11/19 AT 10:34 AM​

kritsada-ratprachoom-tapeworm.jpg

(It looks like he needs to cut his finger nails too. He could do it while he's on the loo)

Some of the photographs show the worm still wriggling up on the toilet. After taking some snaps, Mr. Ratprachoom then flushed the slithering parasite down the loo.

But the worst part isn't over. According to the Mirror, the tapeworm rose out of the oblivion and somewhat survived to pester him again. He said that he had just finished dropping his kid off at school and some errands when he had to use the bathroom for the second time that day.

Stuff Of Nightmares: Thai Man Pulls 32-Foot-Long Tapeworm Out Of His Bum

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46-year-old Man Suffers Seizures From Tapeworms In His Brain After Eating This
It turns out that tapeworms caused the bruises by eating undercooked pork. In a news report from Fox News, Wang Xianfeng, a pediatrician at the hospital who treated the siblings, said that the 1-year-old girl and his 3-year-old brother were administered with an antiparasitic drug to flush out the larvae.

Goodness that would put anyone off eating unclean foods IMO - disgusting! I am not sure if I should thankyou or not :)
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
How are you going to scientifically veryify a fulfilled prophecy? You can only record historically if something has happened or not happened. So no it is not my opinion it is historically verified as fact.

For one, would have indipendent verification that said event happened and was a result of a biblically prediction

The problem i see here is you are assigning historical events with vague biblical predictions without evidence of any connection whatsoever.

Here is a Rational Wiki that essentially explains my view.

I am sure you can pick holes in it, or at last discredit it to your satisfaction but the fact remains, the information it contains remains valid
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Not really according to the scriptures we have always had free will because we were made in the image of God. It is true God knows the end from the beggining according to the scriptures. God knew mankind would disobey him and made the plan of salvation before man had sinned and departed from God in order to bring us back to God. The fall of mankind according to the scriptures is because mankind choose to believe the serpent (devil) over the Word of God. Salvation from sin and reconciliation to God is in believing God's Word over the words of men (devil). We choose what we believe and follow. This is free will. According to the scriptures it is the by believing the Word of God that changes the heart and gives us power to walk in newness of life.
As I pointed out, we can do only and exactly what God knew we'd do before [he] made the universe. That [he] made the universe that way shows that every event in the universe happens only and exactly in accordance with [his] will.

There's simply no room in the universe for both theological free will and an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect God.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
As I pointed out, we can do only and exactly what God knew we'd do before [he] made the universe. That [he] made the universe that way shows that every event in the universe happens only and exactly in accordance with [his] will.

There's simply no room in the universe for both theological free will and an omnipotent, omniscient, perfect God.

Well that is not what the bible teaches Blu. That is simply your opinion. You are certainly entitled to your opinion though it is not based on any of the scriptures in the old and new testament that I am aware of. It is our free will that is given to us by God that allows us to believe and follow his Word or not believe and not follow. It is not God's will that mankind be lost and according to the scriptures he is not willing that anyone of us should perish. He has made a plan of salvation for all of us because he loves us (you too). It is up to us however to choose to receive God's gift to us. This is a decision all of us will choose or not choose according to the scriptures.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
For one, would have indipendent verification that said event happened and was a result of a biblically prediction

The problem i see here is you are assigning historical events with vague biblical predictions without evidence of any connection whatsoever.

Here is a Rational Wiki that essentially explains my view.

I am sure you can pick holes in it, or at last discredit it to your satisfaction but the fact remains, the information it contains remains valid

Hi Christine, I am sure most people can make excuses for anything if they do not want to believe something is true. History independently verifies the biblical records. Go check them. You are free to believe as you wish. Seems to be though your only trying to find excuses not to believe and if that is the case nothing anyone says will convince you one way or the other. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong I believe. Sure would not want to be on the wrong side if the scriptures are true don't you think?
 
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blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Well that is not what the bible teaches Blu. That is simply your opinion. You are certainly entitled to your opinion though it is not based on any of the scriptures in the old and new testament that I am aware of. It is our free will that is given to us by God that allows us to believe and follow his Word or not believe and not follow. It is not God's will that mankind be lost and according to the scriptures he is not willing that anyone of us should perish. He has made a plan of salvation for all of us because he loves us (you too). It is up to us however to choose to receive God's gift to us. This is a decision all of us will choose or not choose according to the scriptures.
It's a direct and specific consequence of omnipotence, omniscience and perfection, isn't it? The alternative is that God did NOT perfectly foresee the results of [his] actions, hence at the least is neither omniscient or perfect.

If you could put your finger on the error in that reasoning, I'd be obliged.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Hi Christine, I am sure most people can make excuses for anything if they do not want to believe something is true. History independently verifies the biblical records. Go check them. You are free to believe as you wish. Seems to be though your only trying to find excuses not to believe and if that is the case nothing anyone says will convince you one way or the other. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong I believe. Sure would not want to be on the wrong side if the scriptures are true don't you think?


Just as they can a make up nonsence to justify their belief. I on the other hand accept nothing without evidence and even then i will question and analyse the claim.

No, history does not verify the bible, what history does is show that some places and some people mentioned in the bible actually existed

No excused necessary, i dont believe unevidenced woo

Why will time tell? You say some prophecies have already been fulfilled.

You are happy and welcome to your beliefs, i am happy with reality. And how disappointing it will be when you realise the scriptures are just the works of individuals written to subdue and control
 
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