Why Quran rejects crucifixion of Christ by the Jews?

[InvestigateTruth]

So, the Quran states that the Jews did not crucify nor kill Jesus, but Allah took Him up to Himself.

I would like to get answer on this from:
1. Christians who believe in Bible. What was Muhammads purpose of rejecting crucifixion and what goal was He seeking by this? Please state your reasoning and evidences.

2. Those who are atheists or followers of other religions than Islam or Christianity. What was Muhammad intention of rejecting crucifixion?

3. Muslims. For Muslims, I am interested to know, why dindnt God prevent other Messengers death or slaughtering. Why did God only choose to rescue Jesus? Does not Quran state, everytime a Messenger came, they killed some, and ridiculed others?

4. Bahais. For Bahais, we believe Quran is talking about Spirit of Christ who was not killed. His body was indeed crucified. But the Question is, why would Quran state it, in such a way that can cause misunderstanding?

 

[England my lionheart]

Imo rejecting the crucifiction and the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus was a hard act to follow.

 

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So, the Quran states that the Jews did not crucify nor kill Jesus, but Allah took Him up to Himself.

I would like to get answer on this from:
1. Christians who believe in Bible. What was Muhammads purpose of rejecting crucifixion and what goal was He seeking by this? Please state your reasoning and evidences.

2. Those who are atheists or followers of other religions than Islam or Christianity. What was Muhammad intention of rejecting crucifixion?

3. Muslims. For Muslims, I am interested to know, why dindnt God prevent other Messengers death or slaughtering. Why did God only choose to rescue Jesus? Does not Quran state, everytime a Messenger came, they killed some, and ridiculed others?

4. Bahais. For Bahais, we believe Quran is talking about Spirit of Christ who was not killed. His body was indeed crucified. But the Question is, why would Quran state it, in such a way that can cause misunderstanding?

God saved a lot of chosen ones in the past. For example, Idris/Enoch, was raised to the sky without dying.

And Jesus appeared to be killed and crucified, but if he came back in 3 days, then I would say he remained the Guide and Leader and Spirit from God on believers during those 3 days, and hence, when he came he never left this world and so it was a feign death.

It appeared like he died and was crucified, because, if it was a normal human being, that would be the end of them. The fact he was in the grave but came back to "life" shows he never left this world really, and remained the light of God and word of light to the world.

Jesus, Elyas, Idris, Khidr, and others we don't know, are all coming with the Mahdi. They will support him and help him, and I believe every "Ahlulbayt" has one remaining one and in case of the family of Moses and Aaron, there is two remaining from them, the two are Elijah/Elyas and Jesus.

The wisdom of not having Jesus remain on earth but come back, so Christians await his return.

The wisdom of having Elijah stay alive, is so when Jesus leaves and ascends, for believers to have remembered there is still a guide hidden or manifest, and not to replace his authority by fallibles but to continue to rely on the rope of God.

And so that Jews await his return.

And the purpose of Idris/Enoch, was to show, that God has a special day coming, and it's not just about Elijah or Jesus or Enoch, but the one who in the words of Moses' "the one you will send" will relieve all the knots on all Prophets tongue, and so God has been saving elite chosen ones of his purpose, and it's for the final trial humanity faces with respect to his chosen ones.

And I believe every Ahlulbayt always had a remaining one, which means, they will be coming back to one day so as to die. Elijah and Enoch are yet to die, so it's not odd Jesus is yet to die. Khidr is yet to die as well!

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Imo rejecting the crucifiction and the ultimate sacrifice of Jesus was a hard act to follow.

Can you elaborate please? Why was it a hard act to follow? Do you mean, it was hard for Muhammad to collect followers who still believed Jesus was crucified and sacrificed, yet become Muslims? Well, Quran in many instances states that many other Messengers were killed too. It could have confirm Jesus was killed too, but only reject the idea of dying for others sin, could He not?

 

[England my lionheart]

Can you elaborate please? Why was it a hard act to follow? Do you mean, it was hard for Muhammad to collect followers who still believed Jesus was crucified and sacrificed, yet become Muslims? Well, Quran in many instances states that many other Messengers were killed too. It could have confirm Jesus was killed too, but only reject the idea of dying for others sin, could He not?

By a hard act to follow I mean this, Muhammed according to Islam was the "seal of the prophets",there were no others to come,how could Muhammed surpass being crucified for the sins of the world?,no brainier so the best way was rejecting bthe ultimate sacrifice to elevate his own story,jmop.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

God saved a lot of chosen ones in the past. For example, Idris/Enoch, was raised to the sky without dying.

And Jesus appeared to be killed and crucified, but if he came back in 3 days, then I would say he remained the Guide and Leader and Spirit from God on believers during those 3 days, and hence, when he came he never left this world and so it was a feign death.

It appeared like he died and was crucified, because, if it was a normal human being, that would be the end of them. The fact he was in the grave but came back to "life" shows he never left this world really, and remained the light of God and word of light to the world.

Jesus, Elyas, Idris, Khidr, and others we don't know, are all coming with the Mahdi. They will support him and help him, and I believe every "Ahlulbayt" has one remaining one and in case of the family of Moses and Aaron, there is two remaining from them, the two are Elijah/Elyas and Jesus.

The wisdom of not having Jesus remain on earth but come back, so Christians await his return.

The wisdom of having Elijah stay alive, is so when Jesus leaves and ascends, for believers to have remembered there is still a guide hidden or manifest, and not to replace his authority by fallibles but to continue to rely on the rope of God.

And so that Jews await his return.

And the purpose of Idris/Enoch, was to show, that God has a special day coming, and it's not just about Elijah or Jesus or Enoch, but the one who in the words of Moses' "the one you will send" will relieve all the knots on all Prophets tongue, and so God has been saving elite chosen ones of his purpose, and it's for the final trial humanity faces with respect to his chosen ones.

And I believe every Ahlulbayt always had a remaining one, which means, they will be coming back to one day so as to die. Elijah and Enoch are yet to die, so it's not odd Jesus is yet to die. Khidr is yet to die as well!

The following verses rejects that God saved other Messengers:

“Already have Apostles before me come to you with sure testimonies, and with that of which ye speak. Wherefore slew ye them? Tell me, if ye are men of
truth." Qur’án 3:182

“As oft as an Apostle cometh unto you with that which your souls desire not, ye swell with pride, accusing some of being impostors and slaying others.”

Qur’án 2:87

1. Why didnt God save other Messengers, and allow them to be slayed, so, they return to the world? Moreover, in your shia traditions, messengers can be resurrected, what's the need to keep them alive for thousands of years?
2. Why didnt God protect the Bible from corruption in the same way He protected the Quran, so, the Christian's today, do not follow supposingly false teachings, such as Trinity (3 Gods), crucifixion, thinkinng God has a son, sacrifice for sin of others, and more importantly becoming deprived from Islam? If some people corrupted the bible some centuries ago, what is the fault of all other Christian's who were not involved in corrupting bible, who must get stuck with a corrupted book forever, not being able to even to recognize their book is corrupted?

 

[Nakosis]

So, the Quran states that the Jews did not crucify nor kill Jesus, but Allah took Him up to Himself.

I would like to get answer on this from:
1. Christians who believe in Bible. What was Muhammads purpose of rejecting crucifixion and what goal was He seeking by this? Please state your reasoning and evidences.

2. Those who are atheists or followers of other religions than Islam or Christianity. What was Muhammad intention of rejecting crucifixion?

3. Muslims. For Muslims, I am interested to know, why dindnt God prevent other Messengers death or slaughtering. Why did God only choose to rescue Jesus? Does not Quran state, everytime a Messenger came, they killed some, and ridiculed others?

4. Bahais. For Bahais, we believe Quran is talking about Spirit of Christ who was not killed. His body was indeed crucified. But the Question is, why would Quran state it, in such a way that can cause misunderstanding?

For Jesus to die on the cross would have meant the triumph of his executioners; but the Quran asserts that they undoubtedly failed: "Assuredly God will defend those who believe";
Islamic views on Jesus' death - Wikipedia

Seems they didn't believe that Allah would have left a true believer hanging. Also God requiring a blood sacrifice, it seems pretty barbaric doesn't it?

Would you want a religion based on that?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

For Jesus to die on the cross would have meant the triumph of his executioners; but the Quran asserts that they undoubtedly failed: "Assuredly God will defend those who believe";
Islamic views on Jesus' death - Wikipedia

Seems they didn't believe that Allah would have left a true believer hanging. Also God requiring a blood sacrifice, it seems pretty barbaric doesn't it?

Would you want a religion based on that?

If that was the reason, Muhammad also could have said God always saves His messengers. But see these verses:

Already have Apostles before me come to you with sure testimonies, and with that of which ye speak. Wherefore slew ye them? Tell me, if ye are men of
truth." Qur’án 3:182

“As oft as an Apostle cometh unto you with that which your souls desire not, ye swell with pride, accusing some of being impostors and slaying others.”

Qur’án 2:87

 

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The following verses rejects that God saved other Messengers:

“Already have Apostles before me come to you with sure testimonies, and with that of which ye speak. Wherefore slew ye them? Tell me, if ye are men of
truth." Qur’án 3:182

“As oft as an Apostle cometh unto you with that which your souls desire not, ye swell with pride, accusing some of being impostors and slaying others.”

Qur’án 2:87

1. Why didnt God save other Messengers, and allow them to be slayed, so, they return to the world? Moreover, in your shia traditions, messengers can be resurrected, what's the need to keep them alive for thousands of years?
2. Why didnt God protect the Bible from corruption in the same way He protected the Quran, so, the Christian's today, do not follow supposingly false teachings, such as Trinity (3 Gods), crucifixion, thinkinng God has a son, sacrifice for sin of others, and more importantly becoming deprived from Islam? If some people corrupted the bible some centuries ago, what is the fault of all other Christian's who were not involved in corrupting bible, who must get stuck with a corrupted book forever, not being able to even to recognize their book is corrupted?

Just because God allowed many Prophets to be martyred, doesn't mean he can't save some of them.

 

[Harel13]

Those who are atheists or followers of other religions than Islam or Christianity. What was Muhammad intention of rejecting crucifixion?

Since you threw in the bit about Jews, he may have done it to draw the Jewish Arabian tribes over to his side by doing nice things for them in terms of theology.
There's a well-known myth amongst Jews that Mohammed came just one day to synagogue to see how Jews pray. That day happened to be Yom Kippur, the one day of the year when we pray five times. Mohammed saw this and figured: Five prayers must be the best number, let's do this year-round...
These are just some examples amongst others that Mohammed wanted the Arabian Jews to like him and join his Islamic crusade (BTW, the Arabian Jews turned their backs on him).

 

[Iymus]

I would like to get answer on this from:
1. Christians who believe in Bible. What was Muhammads purpose of rejecting crucifixion and what goal was He seeking by this? Please state your reasoning and evidences.

I have heard things but no profit in broadcasting publicly. It would become my word of what I have heard or read against another. Unless Muhammad is seed of Issac I will focus more on the words of the children of Israel.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

By a hard act to follow I mean this, Muhammed according to Islam was the "seal of the prophets",there were no others to come,how could Muhammed surpass being crucified for the sins of the world?,no brainier so the best way was rejecting bthe ultimate sacrifice to elevate his own story,jmop.

I have seen many times, rejection of crucifixion of Christ, caused Christian's to believe Muhammad is a false prophet, rather than helping in accepting of Islam. I would say, virgin birth of Jesus is even harder act to follow, because that makes Jesus more superior than Muhammad. So, why didnt Muhammad reject virgin birth then?

 

[RabbiO]

@InvestigateTruth,

News Flash - The Jews did not crucify Jesus. The Jews did not kill Jesus. If anyone, it was the Romans.

Why would you think otherwise?

 

[Samael_Khan]

So, the Quran states that the Jews did not crucify nor kill Jesus, but Allah took Him up to Himself.

I would like to get answer on this from:
1. Christians who believe in Bible. What was Muhammads purpose of rejecting crucifixion and what goal was He seeking by this? Please state your reasoning and evidences.

2. Those who are atheists or followers of other religions than Islam or Christianity. What was Muhammad intention of rejecting crucifixion?

3. Muslims. For Muslims, I am interested to know, why dindnt God prevent other Messengers death or slaughtering. Why did God only choose to rescue Jesus? Does not Quran state, everytime a Messenger came, they killed some, and ridiculed others?

4. Bahais. For Bahais, we believe Quran is talking about Spirit of Christ who was not killed. His body was indeed crucified. But the Question is, why would Quran state it, in such a way that can cause misunderstanding?

I think that he rejected the crucifixion because it is central to Christian doctrine. The best way to convince a member of another faith that your faith is true is to so that you believe mostly the same things, but that their religion has lied about certain events. So the trick is to reflect the religion just enough so that people can relate to it, but not so much that you are indistinguishable from it, because otherwise people will not be motivated to join your religion.

Comparing many modern religions that claim descent from Islam and Christianity but have significant differences is would demonstrate my point.

 

[Samael_Khan]

@InvestigateTruth,

News Flash - The Jews did not crucify Jesus. The Jews did not kill Jesus. If anyone, it was the Romans.

Why would you think otherwise?

Many people get this wrong. Even saying that the Bible says that "Jews killed Jesus" is wrong because it was only a few Jews, not the whole lot of them. The narrative is that the Jewish leaders plotted how to get the Romans to kill Jesus.

 

[oldbadger]

So, the Quran states that the Jews did not crucify nor kill Jesus, but Allah took Him up to Himself.

2. Those who are atheists or followers of other religions than Islam or Christianity. What was Muhammad intention of rejecting crucifixion?

He could be right.
Early bibles showed that a Jesus SonoftheFather led a riot in Jerusalem during a great feast, and that the people loved him so much that they got him released. Jesus's demonstration and picketing in the great Temple no doubt did lead to a riot.
Later on, Christians removed this man's first name from the account and hid his last title by putting it in Eastern Aramaic so that gentile readers would NEVER click on the significance of this part of the story.

So Christians could say that they never removed it, possibly? But they surely did conceal it in plain view.

Barabbas.

 

[England my lionheart]

I have seen many times, rejection of crucifixion of Christ, caused Christian's to believe Muhammad is a false prophet, rather than helping in accepting of Islam. I would say, virgin birth of Jesus is even harder act to follow, because that makes Jesus more superior than Muhammad. So, why didnt Muhammad reject virgin birth then?

I have no idea but he was very critical of Christianity and Judaism saying they had got it all wrong and only Islam was rightly guided,I think this was another ploy to elevate himself and Islam.

 

[firedragon]

3. Muslims. For Muslims, I am interested to know, why dindnt God prevent other Messengers death or slaughtering. Why did God only choose to rescue Jesus? Does not Quran state, everytime a Messenger came, they killed some, and ridiculed others?

Lets think of the verse in the Quran. It says "they claimed we killed the messiah". If you believe its addressing Jews, it was the Jews who claimed they killed the Messiah. Jews of which era? How did we assume its the Jews of the time of Jesus? Is it addressing Jews of a different period?

Anyway, it doesnt say God rescued Jesus. It is only saying to those claim "we killed" that "No, you did not kill him, we raised him". Jesus is spoken of extensively in the Quran, that doesnt mean the others are any inferior if that is what you are trying to assert here.

Maybe it was the Romans who actually crucified and killed Jesus and not the Jews. And maybe through legendary stories some Jews thought that it was them who killed Jesus. So obviously, no, you didnt kill him.

The same verse says that "The followed pure suspicion/assumption" or "Atthibaa Adhannni". They assumed. Maybe they just assumed things. Thats what the Quran says.

The word Subbih where the Quran says "it was made to appear as though they killed him" means a duality. They thought they killed him. In the same verse it says twice that this was all assumption.

HIstorical records has given evidence that it was the romans who killed or probably killed Jesus by crucifying him. Not the Jews.

Try and delve deeper into the issue.

 

[Deeje]

@InvestigateTruth,

News Flash - The Jews did not crucify Jesus. The Jews did not kill Jesus. If anyone, it was the Romans.

Why would you think otherwise?

Because our scripture tells us that whilst the Roman Governor found Jesus not guilty of any crime against the laws of Rome, the Jews wanted him executed for blasphemy. Since it was not lawful for Jews to execute anyone, and they had failed to convince Pilate of his guilt, they blackmailed him into submission by threatening to report him to Caesar for treason. (Read Matthew 27 and John 19) Under that pressure, Pilate acquiesced and after symbolically washing his hands of the whole thing, he threw in a good flogging to appease the Jews, and handed Jesus over for execution. The Romans drove the nails but the Jews provided the reason why the soldiers, (whom Jesus asked his Father to forgive) drove them into his flesh. They were just carry out their orders.

 

[Harel13]

The Romans drove the nails but the Jews provided the reason why the soldiers, (whom Jesus asked his Father to forgive) drove them into his flesh. They were just carry out their orders.

@dybmh, @Tumah does this mean that Jesus was of the opinion that "yesh shaliach l'dvar aveirah" (יש שליח לדבר עבירה)?